"Political correctness" is the deliverance of guilt or injury as a repercussion for speech deemed subjectively offensive, which is precisely what is happening here.
This is insane.. Political correctness is not the deliverance of anything.
Political correctness is a couple of words used for comedy more than anything else.
Political has come to mean to decieve to achieve a result desired by those with the power to place and to keep a politician in their position
correctness completely contradictics the word political which renders the phrase useless.
Well that's where you are wrong then! I don't agree that it is a PC thing either. People who see the sign as offensive, in my opinion, just want to start a fight over literally nothing as a way of pushing their own agenda, kind of like this kearns bloke has done. It's a social control issue, kind of fascistic.
Being PC is actually about consideration, especially for those who are considered underdogs in society. This guy Kearns actually represents the "establishment" and he is pushing his weight on others as a form of social repression - its not a PC thing at all.
"We have to change the concept of patriotism to one of “matriotism” — love of humanity that transcends war. A matriarch would never send her own children off to wars that kill other people’s children." Cindy Sheehan --- London, Brixton, 14 July 1993 London, Wembley, 1996 London, Wembley, 18 June 2007 London, O2, 18 August 2009 London, Hammersmith Apollo (Ed solo), 31 July 2012 Milton Keynes Bowl, 11 July 2014
London, Hammersmith Apollo (Ed solo), 06 June 2017
Of course it is -- it's part of the right of freedom. Furthermore, you also have the right to freely injure another based on your offense. However, you have absolutely no right to do all of the above and then believe in a pretense that the other cannot do the same to you.
AKA karma...AKA reciprocity...AKA the golden rule.
This is insane.. Political correctness is not the deliverance of anything.
Political correctness is a couple of words used for comedy more than anything else.
Political has come to mean to decieve to achieve a result desired by those with the power to place and to keep a politician in their position
correctness completely contradictics the word political which renders the phrase useless.
If you want to challenge the term "politically correct", so be it. But you cannot deny the mindset that certainly exists stating that one man's offense becomes another man's obligation.
Well that's where you are wrong then! I don't agree that it is a PC thing either. People who see the sign as offensive, in my opinion, just want to start a fight over literally nothing as a way of pushing their own agenda, kind of like this kearns bloke has done. It's a social control issue, kind of fascistic.
Of course it is. Any effort to control the speech or expression of another is "kind of fascistic".
Being PC is actually about consideration, especially for those who are considered underdogs in society. This guy Kearns actually represents the "establishment" and he is pushing his weight on others as a form of social repression - its not a PC thing at all.
Hehe...see, this is what you don't get. Being PC is to let another control the definition of offense. Under the rules of PC, your concept of "offense" is only relevant when you're being offended.
Of course it is. Any effort to control the speech or expression of another is "kind of fascistic".
Exactly. This is what the resident's association is doing to this woman. It's fascistic because they are silencing her expression, trying to make her fit the "norm".
Hehe...see, this is what you don't get. Being PC is to let another control the definition of offense. Under the rules of PC, your concept of "offense" is only relevant when you're being offended.
I don't even think this is true. To me it seems you are misunderstanding what PC is about, which is about having consideration for the underdog or anyone different from the "norm". If they felt offended then that was one part of it, but its not the only part. It wasn't just about words and language used but about actions, policies etc.
"We have to change the concept of patriotism to one of “matriotism” — love of humanity that transcends war. A matriarch would never send her own children off to wars that kill other people’s children." Cindy Sheehan --- London, Brixton, 14 July 1993 London, Wembley, 1996 London, Wembley, 18 June 2007 London, O2, 18 August 2009 London, Hammersmith Apollo (Ed solo), 31 July 2012 Milton Keynes Bowl, 11 July 2014
London, Hammersmith Apollo (Ed solo), 06 June 2017
Jesus, you'd think this "neighborhood" would just talk to the homeowner and understand that, to her, the symbol means peace. We could argue forever about whatever the "correct" meaning of the symbol is, but if to Lisa Jensen it means peace, that's all that matters.
Even if the Gap is a little better these days, I don't quite understand why anyone would choose to associate peace and love with the Gap. Except, of course, for $$$.
Of course it is -- it's part of the right of freedom. Furthermore, you also have the right to freely injure another based on your offense. However, you have absolutely no right to do all of the above and then believe in a pretense that the other cannot do the same to you.
AKA karma...AKA reciprocity...AKA the golden rule.
Please do not equate being offended with retaliation. The vast majority of offenses go unavenged.
Surely you do not believe the oppressed or "unfree" are free from the burdon of being offended.
DENVER - A homeowners association in southwestern Colorado has threatened to fine a resident $25 a day until she removes a Christmas wreath with a peace sign that some say is an anti- Iraq war protest or a symbol of Satan.
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Some residents who have complained have children serving in Iraq, said Bob Kearns, president of the Loma Linda Homeowners Association in Pagosa Springs. He said some residents have also believed it was a symbol of Satan. Three or four residents complained, he said.
"Somebody could put up signs that say drop bombs on Iraq. If you let one go up you have to let them all go up," he said in a telephone interview Sunday.
Lisa Jensen said she wasn't thinking of the war when she hung the wreath. She said, "Peace is way bigger than not being at war. This is a spiritual thing."
Jensen, a past association president, calculates the fines will cost her about $1,000, and doubts they will be able to make her pay. But she said she's not going to take it down until after Christmas.
"Now that it has come to this I feel I can't get bullied," she said. "What if they don't like my Santa Claus."
The association in this 200-home subdivision 270 miles southwest of Denver has sent a letter to her saying that residents were offended by the sign and the board "will not allow signs, flags etc. that can be considered divisive."
The subdivision's rules say no signs, billboards or advertising are permitted without the consent of the architectural control committee.
Kearns ordered the committee to require Jensen to remove the wreath, but members refused after concluding that it was merely a seasonal symbol that didn't say anything. Kearns fired all five committee members.
To take offense from another's words or actions, you are in action making yourself dependent on them. That's a tie that binds.
Not true. To take offense requires choice and action, the core foundations of freedom.
if being offended is the foundation of freedom.. then you can be sure that absolutely all human beings are free. Now we can end the war on the so called freedom haters.
Monday, the homeowners assocation board withdrew its objection to the wreath and threat of daily fines.
"We want to let you know that this evening we just received a letter from the Loma Linda Home Owners Board of Directors stating: 'We had a misunderstanding with your Christmas decoration and for that we apologize. We withdraw any and all previous requests for removal of your decoration,' " Jensen told The Associated Press.
None of the three members of the board was available for comment late Monday. Kearns and Jeff Heitz had their phone numbers changed to unlisted numbers Monday.
Pro-Peace Symbol Forces Win Battle in Colorado Town
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DENVER, Nov. 28 — Peace is fighting back in Pagosa Springs.
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Bill Trimarco and Lisa Jensen with their symbolic wreath.
Last week, a couple were threatened with fines of $25 a day by their homeowners’ association unless they removed a four-foot wreath shaped like a peace symbol from the front of their house.
The fines have been dropped, and the three-member board of the association has resigned, according to an e-mail message sent to residents on Monday.
Two board members have disconnected their telephones, apparently to escape the waves of callers asking what the board could have been thinking, residents said. The third board member, with a working phone, did not return a call for comment.
In its original letter to the couple, Lisa Jensen and Bill Trimarco, the association said some neighbors had found the peace symbol politically “divisive.”
A board member later told a newspaper that he thought the familiar circle with angled lines was also, perhaps, a sign of the devil.
The peace symbol came to prominence in the late 1950s as the logo for the Campaign for Nuclear Disarmament, a British antiwar group, according to the group’s Web site. It incorporates the semaphore flag images for the letters in the group’s name, a “D” atop an “N.”
Other people have said the upright line with arms angled down, commonplace in the United States in the Vietnam War, especially, has roots in the early Christian era, representing a twisted or broken cross.
Mr. Trimarco said he put up the wreath as a general symbol of peace on earth, not as a commentary on the Iraq war or another political statement.
In any case, there are now more peace symbols in Pagosa Springs, a town of 1,700 people 200 miles southwest of Denver, than probably ever in its history.
On Tuesday morning, 20 people marched through the center carrying peace signs and then stomped a giant peace sign in the snow perhaps 300 feet across on a soccer field, where it could be easily seen.
“There’s quite a few now in our subdivision in a show of support,” Mr. Trimarco said.
A former president of the Loma Linda community, where Mr. Trimarco lives, said Tuesday that he had stepped in to help form an interim homeowners’ association.
The former president, Farrell C. Trask, described himself in a telephone interview as a military veteran who would fight for anyone’s right to free speech, peace symbols included.
Town Manager Mark Garcia said Pagosa Springs was building its own peace wreath, too. Mr. Garcia said it would be finished by late Tuesday and installed on a bell tower in the center of town.
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This is insane.. Political correctness is not the deliverance of anything.
Political correctness is a couple of words used for comedy more than anything else.
Political has come to mean to decieve to achieve a result desired by those with the power to place and to keep a politician in their position
correctness completely contradictics the word political which renders the phrase useless.
Well that's where you are wrong then! I don't agree that it is a PC thing either. People who see the sign as offensive, in my opinion, just want to start a fight over literally nothing as a way of pushing their own agenda, kind of like this kearns bloke has done. It's a social control issue, kind of fascistic.
Being PC is actually about consideration, especially for those who are considered underdogs in society. This guy Kearns actually represents the "establishment" and he is pushing his weight on others as a form of social repression - its not a PC thing at all.
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London, Brixton, 14 July 1993
London, Wembley, 1996
London, Wembley, 18 June 2007
London, O2, 18 August 2009
London, Hammersmith Apollo (Ed solo), 31 July 2012
Milton Keynes Bowl, 11 July 2014
Of course it is -- it's part of the right of freedom. Furthermore, you also have the right to freely injure another based on your offense. However, you have absolutely no right to do all of the above and then believe in a pretense that the other cannot do the same to you.
AKA karma...AKA reciprocity...AKA the golden rule.
If you want to challenge the term "politically correct", so be it. But you cannot deny the mindset that certainly exists stating that one man's offense becomes another man's obligation.
Of course it is. Any effort to control the speech or expression of another is "kind of fascistic".
Hehe...see, this is what you don't get. Being PC is to let another control the definition of offense. Under the rules of PC, your concept of "offense" is only relevant when you're being offended.
Exactly. This is what the resident's association is doing to this woman. It's fascistic because they are silencing her expression, trying to make her fit the "norm".
I don't even think this is true. To me it seems you are misunderstanding what PC is about, which is about having consideration for the underdog or anyone different from the "norm". If they felt offended then that was one part of it, but its not the only part. It wasn't just about words and language used but about actions, policies etc.
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London, Brixton, 14 July 1993
London, Wembley, 1996
London, Wembley, 18 June 2007
London, O2, 18 August 2009
London, Hammersmith Apollo (Ed solo), 31 July 2012
Milton Keynes Bowl, 11 July 2014
oh no. we are not alone.. at least we have politicians like boris and ken livingston putting their proverbials in
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I'm not sure which is worse. This story, or the new Peace, Love and Gap ad.
Even if the Gap is a little better these days, I don't quite understand why anyone would choose to associate peace and love with the Gap. Except, of course, for $$$.
http://www.exposethegap.com/pages/details.html
Please do not equate being offended with retaliation. The vast majority of offenses go unavenged.
Surely you do not believe the oppressed or "unfree" are free from the burdon of being offended.
has absolutely nothing to do with freedom.
angels share laughter
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simply insane.
Then what causes retaliation?
Yes, they do.
To take offense from another's words or actions, you are in action making yourself dependent on them. That's a tie that binds.
Not true. To take offense requires choice and action, the core foundations of freedom.
if being offended is the foundation of freedom.. then you can be sure that absolutely all human beings are free. Now we can end the war on the so called freedom haters.
No. Choice and action are the foundations of freedom. Offense is simply one of a nearly infinite number of ends.
if you are serious:
Kearns, Robert, & Patricia
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Pagosa Springs, CO 81147-7858
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Monday, the homeowners assocation board withdrew its objection to the wreath and threat of daily fines.
"We want to let you know that this evening we just received a letter from the Loma Linda Home Owners Board of Directors stating: 'We had a misunderstanding with your Christmas decoration and for that we apologize. We withdraw any and all previous requests for removal of your decoration,' " Jensen told The Associated Press.
None of the three members of the board was available for comment late Monday. Kearns and Jeff Heitz had their phone numbers changed to unlisted numbers Monday.
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Exactly. In the same way, not everyone who uses the term "yid" says it to mean jew.
Smartest thing you've ever posted.
Except for the foundations part.
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By KIRK JOHNSON
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DENVER, Nov. 28 — Peace is fighting back in Pagosa Springs.
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Randi Pierce/Durango Herald, via Associated Press
Bill Trimarco and Lisa Jensen with their symbolic wreath.
Last week, a couple were threatened with fines of $25 a day by their homeowners’ association unless they removed a four-foot wreath shaped like a peace symbol from the front of their house.
The fines have been dropped, and the three-member board of the association has resigned, according to an e-mail message sent to residents on Monday.
Two board members have disconnected their telephones, apparently to escape the waves of callers asking what the board could have been thinking, residents said. The third board member, with a working phone, did not return a call for comment.
In its original letter to the couple, Lisa Jensen and Bill Trimarco, the association said some neighbors had found the peace symbol politically “divisive.”
A board member later told a newspaper that he thought the familiar circle with angled lines was also, perhaps, a sign of the devil.
The peace symbol came to prominence in the late 1950s as the logo for the Campaign for Nuclear Disarmament, a British antiwar group, according to the group’s Web site. It incorporates the semaphore flag images for the letters in the group’s name, a “D” atop an “N.”
Other people have said the upright line with arms angled down, commonplace in the United States in the Vietnam War, especially, has roots in the early Christian era, representing a twisted or broken cross.
Mr. Trimarco said he put up the wreath as a general symbol of peace on earth, not as a commentary on the Iraq war or another political statement.
In any case, there are now more peace symbols in Pagosa Springs, a town of 1,700 people 200 miles southwest of Denver, than probably ever in its history.
On Tuesday morning, 20 people marched through the center carrying peace signs and then stomped a giant peace sign in the snow perhaps 300 feet across on a soccer field, where it could be easily seen.
“There’s quite a few now in our subdivision in a show of support,” Mr. Trimarco said.
A former president of the Loma Linda community, where Mr. Trimarco lives, said Tuesday that he had stepped in to help form an interim homeowners’ association.
The former president, Farrell C. Trask, described himself in a telephone interview as a military veteran who would fight for anyone’s right to free speech, peace symbols included.
Town Manager Mark Garcia said Pagosa Springs was building its own peace wreath, too. Mr. Garcia said it would be finished by late Tuesday and installed on a bell tower in the center of town.
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