when peace is a symbol of the devil

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  • hippiemom
    hippiemom Posts: 3,326
    humanlight wrote:
    I say,....we do our good deed for the season.....and find this stupid ass neighborhood......and send them "peace on earth" cards. Boxes full of cards!!!!!!! It would give me a purpose for a few days!
    How about just this one guy? The guy that fired the entire committee. His name is even in the article, haha!

    Hail the newborn prince of peace!
    "Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity." ~ MLK, 1963
  • Restless Soul
    Restless Soul Posts: 805
    trappedinmyradio wrote:
    this is what you get in a politically correct world...

    What's political correctness got to do with it?
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  • farfromglorified
    farfromglorified Posts: 5,700
    Restless Soul wrote:
    What's political correctness got to do with it?

    If you have the right to be offended by someone's speech and deliver reprecussions to the speaker based on that offense, you grant that same right to another.
  • seagoat2
    seagoat2 Posts: 241
    hippiemom wrote:
    How about just this one guy? The guy that fired the entire committee. His name is even in the article, haha!

    Hail the newborn prince of peace!

    I don't mean to sound mean, but seriously - I think that guy needs to "get a life"!!!!!!!

    And I wonder if he asked those parents with children in Iraq if they wouldn't rather see "peace" there as well, so thier children could come home.....
  • Restless Soul
    Restless Soul Posts: 805
    farfromglorified wrote:
    If you have the right to be offended by someone's speech and deliver reprecussions to the speaker based on that offense, you grant that same right to another.


    So what's that got to do with political correctness?
    "We have to change the concept of patriotism to one of “matriotism” — love of humanity that transcends war. A matriarch would never send her own children off to wars that kill other people’s children." Cindy Sheehan
    ---
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    London, Wembley, 1996
    London, Wembley, 18 June 2007
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    Milton Keynes Bowl, 11 July 2014
    London, Hammersmith Apollo (Ed solo), 06 June 2017
    London, O2, 18 June 2018
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  • farfromglorified
    farfromglorified Posts: 5,700
    Restless Soul wrote:
    So what's that got to do with political correctness?

    "Political correctness" is the deliverance of guilt or injury as a repercussion for speech deemed subjectively offensive, which is precisely what is happening here.
  • Restless Soul
    Restless Soul Posts: 805
    farfromglorified wrote:
    "Political correctness" is the deliverance of guilt or injury as a repercussion for speech deemed subjectively offensive, which is precisely what is happening here.

    YAWN. Whatever. Ever heard of the Plain English campaign?

    Sorry, I'm so tired I can't keep my eyes open. What I thought you meant was that because this woman has the temerity to put up a peace sign she is offending the people who don't like it. So therefore thanks to "PC-ness", the residents association feels they have the right to complain about it. (Which is basically infringing on her right to put up her decoration, (which is not even offensive). Right or wrong?
    "We have to change the concept of patriotism to one of “matriotism” — love of humanity that transcends war. A matriarch would never send her own children off to wars that kill other people’s children." Cindy Sheehan
    ---
    London, Brixton, 14 July 1993
    London, Wembley, 1996
    London, Wembley, 18 June 2007
    London, O2, 18 August 2009
    London, Hammersmith Apollo (Ed solo), 31 July 2012
    Milton Keynes Bowl, 11 July 2014
    London, Hammersmith Apollo (Ed solo), 06 June 2017
    London, O2, 18 June 2018
    London, O2, 17 July 2018
    Amsterdam, Afas Live (Ed solo), 09 June 2019
    Amsterdam, Afas Live (Ed solo), 10 June 2019



  • farfromglorified
    farfromglorified Posts: 5,700
    Restless Soul wrote:
    So therefore thanks to "PC-ness", the residents association feels they have the right to complain about it. (Which is basically infringing on her right to put up her decoration, (which is not even offensive). Right or wrong?

    Right, minus the "not even offensive" part.
  • Abuskedti
    Abuskedti Posts: 1,917
    farfromglorified wrote:
    If you have the right to be offended by someone's speech and deliver reprecussions to the speaker based on that offense, you grant that same right to another.

    To be offended is not a right.
  • Abuskedti
    Abuskedti Posts: 1,917
    farfromglorified wrote:
    "Political correctness" is the deliverance of guilt or injury as a repercussion for speech deemed subjectively offensive, which is precisely what is happening here.

    This is insane.. Political correctness is not the deliverance of anything.

    Political correctness is a couple of words used for comedy more than anything else.

    Political has come to mean to decieve to achieve a result desired by those with the power to place and to keep a politician in their position

    correctness completely contradictics the word political which renders the phrase useless.
  • Abuskedti
    Abuskedti Posts: 1,917
    farfromglorified wrote:
    "Political correctness" is the deliverance of guilt or injury as a repercussion for speech deemed subjectively offensive, which is precisely what is happening here.

    This is insane.. Political correctness is not the deliverance of anything.

    Political correctness is a couple of words used for comedy more than anything else.

    Political has come to mean to decieve to achieve a result desired by those with the power to place and to keep a politician in their position

    correctness completely contradictics the word political which renders the phrase useless.
  • Restless Soul
    Restless Soul Posts: 805
    farfromglorified wrote:
    Right, minus the "not even offensive" part.

    Well that's where you are wrong then! I don't agree that it is a PC thing either. People who see the sign as offensive, in my opinion, just want to start a fight over literally nothing as a way of pushing their own agenda, kind of like this kearns bloke has done. It's a social control issue, kind of fascistic.

    Being PC is actually about consideration, especially for those who are considered underdogs in society. This guy Kearns actually represents the "establishment" and he is pushing his weight on others as a form of social repression - its not a PC thing at all.
    "We have to change the concept of patriotism to one of “matriotism” — love of humanity that transcends war. A matriarch would never send her own children off to wars that kill other people’s children." Cindy Sheehan
    ---
    London, Brixton, 14 July 1993
    London, Wembley, 1996
    London, Wembley, 18 June 2007
    London, O2, 18 August 2009
    London, Hammersmith Apollo (Ed solo), 31 July 2012
    Milton Keynes Bowl, 11 July 2014
    London, Hammersmith Apollo (Ed solo), 06 June 2017
    London, O2, 18 June 2018
    London, O2, 17 July 2018
    Amsterdam, Afas Live (Ed solo), 09 June 2019
    Amsterdam, Afas Live (Ed solo), 10 June 2019



  • farfromglorified
    farfromglorified Posts: 5,700
    Abuskedti wrote:
    To be offended is not a right.

    Of course it is -- it's part of the right of freedom. Furthermore, you also have the right to freely injure another based on your offense. However, you have absolutely no right to do all of the above and then believe in a pretense that the other cannot do the same to you.

    AKA karma...AKA reciprocity...AKA the golden rule.
  • farfromglorified
    farfromglorified Posts: 5,700
    Abuskedti wrote:
    This is insane.. Political correctness is not the deliverance of anything.

    Political correctness is a couple of words used for comedy more than anything else.

    Political has come to mean to decieve to achieve a result desired by those with the power to place and to keep a politician in their position

    correctness completely contradictics the word political which renders the phrase useless.

    If you want to challenge the term "politically correct", so be it. But you cannot deny the mindset that certainly exists stating that one man's offense becomes another man's obligation.
  • farfromglorified
    farfromglorified Posts: 5,700
    Restless Soul wrote:
    Well that's where you are wrong then! I don't agree that it is a PC thing either. People who see the sign as offensive, in my opinion, just want to start a fight over literally nothing as a way of pushing their own agenda, kind of like this kearns bloke has done. It's a social control issue, kind of fascistic.

    Of course it is. Any effort to control the speech or expression of another is "kind of fascistic".
    Being PC is actually about consideration, especially for those who are considered underdogs in society. This guy Kearns actually represents the "establishment" and he is pushing his weight on others as a form of social repression - its not a PC thing at all.

    Hehe...see, this is what you don't get. Being PC is to let another control the definition of offense. Under the rules of PC, your concept of "offense" is only relevant when you're being offended.
  • Restless Soul
    Restless Soul Posts: 805
    farfromglorified wrote:
    Of course it is. Any effort to control the speech or expression of another is "kind of fascistic".

    Exactly. This is what the resident's association is doing to this woman. It's fascistic because they are silencing her expression, trying to make her fit the "norm".

    Hehe...see, this is what you don't get. Being PC is to let another control the definition of offense. Under the rules of PC, your concept of "offense" is only relevant when you're being offended.

    I don't even think this is true. To me it seems you are misunderstanding what PC is about, which is about having consideration for the underdog or anyone different from the "norm". If they felt offended then that was one part of it, but its not the only part. It wasn't just about words and language used but about actions, policies etc.
    "We have to change the concept of patriotism to one of “matriotism” — love of humanity that transcends war. A matriarch would never send her own children off to wars that kill other people’s children." Cindy Sheehan
    ---
    London, Brixton, 14 July 1993
    London, Wembley, 1996
    London, Wembley, 18 June 2007
    London, O2, 18 August 2009
    London, Hammersmith Apollo (Ed solo), 31 July 2012
    Milton Keynes Bowl, 11 July 2014
    London, Hammersmith Apollo (Ed solo), 06 June 2017
    London, O2, 18 June 2018
    London, O2, 17 July 2018
    Amsterdam, Afas Live (Ed solo), 09 June 2019
    Amsterdam, Afas Live (Ed solo), 10 June 2019



  • Coming back to life
    Coming back to life Posts: 401
    And I thought it was just Britain that had become a sanitised PC piece of crap
    A restaurant with a smoking section is like a swimming pool with a pissing section
  • darkcrow
    darkcrow Posts: 1,102
    Coming back to life wrote:
    And I thought it was just Britain that had become a sanitised PC piece of crap

    oh no. we are not alone.. at least we have politicians like boris and ken livingston putting their proverbials in ;)
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  • kenny olav
    kenny olav Posts: 3,319
    Jesus, you'd think this "neighborhood" would just talk to the homeowner and understand that, to her, the symbol means peace. We could argue forever about whatever the "correct" meaning of the symbol is, but if to Lisa Jensen it means peace, that's all that matters.


    I'm not sure which is worse. This story, or the new Peace, Love and Gap ad.

    Even if the Gap is a little better these days, I don't quite understand why anyone would choose to associate peace and love with the Gap. Except, of course, for $$$.

    http://www.exposethegap.com/pages/details.html
  • Abuskedti
    Abuskedti Posts: 1,917
    farfromglorified wrote:
    Of course it is -- it's part of the right of freedom. Furthermore, you also have the right to freely injure another based on your offense. However, you have absolutely no right to do all of the above and then believe in a pretense that the other cannot do the same to you.

    AKA karma...AKA reciprocity...AKA the golden rule.

    Please do not equate being offended with retaliation. The vast majority of offenses go unavenged.

    Surely you do not believe the oppressed or "unfree" are free from the burdon of being offended.

    has absolutely nothing to do with freedom.

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