If I give the reasons for liking a candidate I get blasted for being a religious freak, inconsiderate to a women’s rights or an idiot for not thinking like Obama....fair enough....Have a good day peeps
Fair enough. Some people just can't take the heat.
"When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
Why is it that I ask someone to defend their candidate of choice and the best they can muster is pointing out the other candidates flaws.
I'm more concerned that someone would use as evidence that Obama has lied a website that proves that Obama had told the truth in regards to those alleged lies. Talk about trying to throw whatever sticks, I mean if you do that you obviously did not examine the supposed lies for yourself to see if they were honest accusations or not.
Ok I will definitely give you that one. She was a good political pick but overall I think she was a horrible pick. In the end she will hurt McCain more than help him.
"When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
I'm more concerned that someone would use as evidence that Obama has lied a website that proves that Obama had told the truth in regards to those alleged lies. Talk about trying to throw whatever sticks, I mean if you do that you obviously did not examine the supposed lies for yourself to see if they were honest accusations or not.
Ok I will definitely give you that one. She was a good political pick but overall I think she was a horrible pick. In the end she will hurt McCain more than help him.
I think politically, if her sole intention was to energize a conservative base that had beforehand been lackluster for McCain, then it was a successful pick. If the choice of Palin was intended to do that AND draw over a fair amount of independent and/or Democratic women, particularly Hillary supporters, that seems to have fallen on its face. I've been thinking that the McCain campaign probably saw that as a happy byproduct if it did happen, but was probably mainly concerned with getting Limbaugh-types on McCain's side.
Unfortunately, I can't watch You Tube at work, so I don't know what she says here.
Does it have anything to do with the Fact that rape victims in Wasilla had to pay for their own test kits while she was mayor?
it's form a McCain Palin town hall ...
an audience member asks Palin, since she's been criticized for not having enough experience in foriegn policy, what specifics can she list that would help mitigate that criticism ...
Palin's response is that she will be ready ... and if someone wants to ask her specifics, go ahead and try ... essentially, avoiding the question completely. It's pathetic.
"You're one of the few Red Sox fans I don't mind." - Newch91
"I don't believe in damn curses. Wake up the damn Bambino and have me face him. Maybe I'll drill him in the ass." --- Pedro Martinez
I wonder how many of these Hollyweird goofs that are slamming her had even heard of her two months ago?
I think they are so fearful of her popularity, of which may be equal or higher than Obama's, that they are pulling out anything that they can to try to save their buddy Obama. They know she is a serious threat otherwise they wouldn't be wasting the energy that they are on her.
Just a thought, no musician or celebrity could ever influence my voting decisions.
Just a simple 'thank you' for writing this.
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Speaking of which, why does it seem to me that it's consistently conservatives who bring up what celebrities are saying about politics, but then are sure to tell us that they'd never influence their vote? If not, then why bother bringing it up?
To address the original post, I just want to go on record and agree that Palin is a serious threat. And I am fearful too.
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Speaking of which, why does it seem to me that it's consistently conservatives who bring up what celebrities are saying about politics, but then are sure to tell us that they'd never influence their vote? If not, then why bother bringing it up?
I have done this in the past. I wouldn't classify myself as conservative, but I've done it. Personally, I bring it up because I find it (them) funny. They think people "care" or they wouldn't be doing it. I see no difference between their opinion and a gas station attendent's in Omaha. They just have the soapbox. But, I believe they think their opinion is carries more weight then the general voter because they "think" they have superior intellect. I find the whole thing funny.... (this is a generalization but) most of "them" are highschool dropouts who are now rich as F.
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A coin flip that will determine quite a bit about this nation's future, and the world.
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I'm a little confused. Let me see if I have this straight.....
If you grow up in Hawaii, raised by your grandparents, you're 'exotic,
different.'
Grow up in Alaska eating mooseburgers, a quintessential American story.
If your name is Barack you're a radical, unpatriotic Muslim.
Name your kids Willow, Trig and Track, you're a maverick.
Graduate from Harvard law School and you are unstable.
Attend 5 different small colleges before graduating, you're well
grounded.
If you spend 3 years as a brilliant community organizer, become the
first black President of the Harvard Law Review, create a voter registration
drive that registers 150,000 new voters, spend 12 years as a Constitutional Law professor, spend 8 years as a State Senator representing a district with
over 750,000 people, become chairman of the state Senate's Health and Human Services committee, spend 4 years in the United States Senate representing a state of 13 million people while sponsoring 131 bills and serving on the Foreign Affairs, Environment and Public Works and Veteran's Affairs committees, you don't have any real leadership experience.
If your total resume is: local weather girl, 4 years on the city council
and 6 years as the mayor of a town with less than 7,000 people, 20 months
as the governor of a state with only 650,000 people, then you're qualified to
become the country's second highest ranking executive.
If you have been married to the same woman for 19 years while raising
2 beautiful daughters, all within Protestant churches, you're not a real
Christian. If you cheated on your first wife with a rich heiress, and left your
disfigured wife and married the heiress the next month, you're a
Christian.
If you teach responsible, age appropriate sex education, including the proper use of birth control, you are eroding the fiber of society.
If , while governor, you staunchly advocate abstinence only, with no
other option in sex education in your state's school system while your unwed
teen daughter ends up pregnant, you're very responsible.
If your wife is a Harvard graduate laywer who gave up a position in a
prestigious law firm to work for the betterment of her inner city
community, then gave that up to raise a family, your family's values don't represent America's.
If you're husband is nicknamed 'First Dude', with at least one DWI
conviction and no college education, who didn't register to vote until age
25 and once was a member of a group that advocated the secession of Alaska from the USA, your family is extremely admirable.
OK, much clearer now.
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I couldn't have said this better myself. How anyone could vote McCain/Palin in 2008 is just a total mind fuck.
This shouldn't even be a conversation at this point.
Speaking of which, why does it seem to me that it's consistently conservatives who bring up what celebrities are saying about politics, but then are sure to tell us that they'd never influence their vote? If not, then why bother bringing it up?
Historically, most celebrity politicians have come from the Republican party. People like saveuplife bringing it up is just another case of projection. It's one of the staples of a good conservative campaign - pin your sins on the other guy, and all will be forgiven. Just ask Jesus - an entire religion was built around that one.
I couldn't have said this better myself. How anyone could vote McCain/Palin in 2008 is just a total mind fuck.
This shouldn't even be a conversation at this point.
Why is this race so close? seriously?
WTF is wrong with America?
Its not what's wrong with America, its simply human nature. Humans justify they're wants and needs. Many want confirmation that they're religious beliefs are okay. Many want to feel comfortable with they're candidates, not feeling stupid, so they gravitate towards knuckleheads like Palin and Dubya. Many want to hang on to they're precious coins and can't bear to see one dollar to go to a minority. All very simple.
All these neocons that argue experience between Palin and Obama seem to forget that Obama was voted into the position he's in by the American people. Palin was picked by McCain's cronies.
She is a flat out joke, so is anyone who tries to defend her.
I've not read this whole thread, but what I feel most for Sarah Palin is EMPATHY. Empathy, and pity. I feel bad for her! Because I have to figure that somewhere, probably when she was very young, something flat-out horrible (and most likely, sexual) happened to her. And that she's been trying to "make up" for that (shouldering blame that is not hers) her entire life.
I've no basis for this opinion, no hard and fast evidence. It's just the impression that I get, seeing her on television, watching her be interviewed. And I AM tired of the partisan bickering, the "Us vs. Them" philosophy of our political system. I don't want that. I want her (and others, on "that side" of the debate) to know that I still consider them people, just as equal as anyone else. And that when their kids gets shot in Iraq, those are my kids, too.
And I really hope that when this is all over, her daughter has a better life than the one the media's forced on her, so far.
Its not what's wrong with America, its simply human nature. Humans justify they're wants and needs. Many want confirmation that they're religious beliefs are okay. Many want to feel comfortable with they're candidates, not feeling stupid, so they gravitate towards knuckleheads like Palin and Dubya. Many want to hang on to they're precious coins and can't bear to see one dollar to go to a minority. All very simple.
What an insightful piece of crap.
It's ok though, everyone who disagrees with you is an idiot, right?
I am actually from Alaska. Born and raised in Fairbanks. I have relatives who grew up in Wasilla and I have been there to visit them on many occasions. In my view, (trust me I am not alone here) that place can best be described as the "trailer park" of Alaskan towns. If it can be possible to catagorize an entire city as "white trash" this would be the place. Sarah Palin is exactly the kind of person who would win an election there. Now here she is just a few short years later, on the verge of the vice presidency. Hopefully the American people as a whole will collectively wake up and say "what the hell were we thinking?"
It's ok though, everyone who disagrees with you is an idiot, right?
Love you to Cincy.
Did say many, not all and people that support Obama have the same need for justification.
I'm sure my views are skewed as well...but how someone can in anyway justify giving Palin any chance whatsoever of becoming President....I just dont' know...its baffling. Maybe I'm wrong...who knows...I am but human.
think they are so fearful of her popularity, of which may be equal or higher than Obama's, that they are pulling out anything that they can to try to save their buddy Obama. They know she is a serious threat otherwise they wouldn't be wasting the energy that they are on her.
fearful of her? Oh, you betcha! her "tough policies"? her "tellin it like it is"?
yeah, not so much.
fucking up our country worse than it already is? oh yeah.
she's a menace, a political nightmare in a dress.
oh, and the real difference between Obama and Palin? experience? Nah....
All this banter about VP candidate Sarah Palin reminds me of the song by the Heavy Metal bandPRONG *Contradictions*
Time for double standards
Now who shall be blamed
With the change of weather
Scapegoats are acclaimed
Acts of no reason:
populous response
Opinions are like assholes
Everyone's one
All these contradictions
Are bound to confuse
What wrong will you choose?
Can I ask a question?
Or am I out of line
Some more lip service
Will smooth it out nice
I couldn't have said this better myself. How anyone could vote McCain/Palin in 2008 is just a total mind fuck.
This shouldn't even be a conversation at this point.
Why is this race so close? seriously?
WTF is wrong with America?
IMHO four words: deaf, dumb and blind
~I want to realize brotherhood or identity not merely with the beings called human, but I want to realize identity with all life, even with such things as crawl upon earth.~
Mohandas K. Gandhi
~I once had a sparrow alight upon my shoulder for a moment, while I was hoeing in a village garden, and I felt that I was more distinguished by that circumstance than I should have been by any epaulette I could have worn.~
Henry David Thoreau
Palin's popularity has crested. However, even so, she remains bigger news than McCain overall. He may become bigger news than she if it's true he would have enough pull to stop the $700 Billion Bailout if he so chose. But, for the time being, it's disturbing to think the VP to this point in time is driving the election harder than the actual candidate for president. It's pretty weird when a no-name from nowhere who doesn't want the press to cover anything of import that she says is of bigger interest than the Man Who Would be King, Stage III. It's perverse, to say the least.
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Fair enough. Some people just can't take the heat.
While she was mayor of Wasilla, rape victims there had to pay for their own test kits. Fact.
I'm more concerned that someone would use as evidence that Obama has lied a website that proves that Obama had told the truth in regards to those alleged lies. Talk about trying to throw whatever sticks, I mean if you do that you obviously did not examine the supposed lies for yourself to see if they were honest accusations or not.
I'll answer this one...
she rallied the base.
Clinton thinks she was a good pick too...
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/politics/2008195867_apbillclintonpalin.html
yup ... she's ready ... :rolleyes: ...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hQ8QDea5Jaw
... and yet, the sheeple probably lapped it up
"I don't believe in damn curses. Wake up the damn Bambino and have me face him. Maybe I'll drill him in the ass." --- Pedro Martinez
Ok I will definitely give you that one. She was a good political pick but overall I think she was a horrible pick. In the end she will hurt McCain more than help him.
Talk about debate FAIL.
I think politically, if her sole intention was to energize a conservative base that had beforehand been lackluster for McCain, then it was a successful pick. If the choice of Palin was intended to do that AND draw over a fair amount of independent and/or Democratic women, particularly Hillary supporters, that seems to have fallen on its face. I've been thinking that the McCain campaign probably saw that as a happy byproduct if it did happen, but was probably mainly concerned with getting Limbaugh-types on McCain's side.
Does it have anything to do with the Fact that rape victims in Wasilla had to pay for their own test kits while she was mayor?
it's form a McCain Palin town hall ...
an audience member asks Palin, since she's been criticized for not having enough experience in foriegn policy, what specifics can she list that would help mitigate that criticism ...
Palin's response is that she will be ready ... and if someone wants to ask her specifics, go ahead and try ... essentially, avoiding the question completely. It's pathetic.
"I don't believe in damn curses. Wake up the damn Bambino and have me face him. Maybe I'll drill him in the ass." --- Pedro Martinez
Just a simple 'thank you' for writing this.
First PJ Show: March 20, 1994 | Ann Arbor | Crisler Arena
I have done this in the past. I wouldn't classify myself as conservative, but I've done it. Personally, I bring it up because I find it (them) funny. They think people "care" or they wouldn't be doing it. I see no difference between their opinion and a gas station attendent's in Omaha. They just have the soapbox. But, I believe they think their opinion is carries more weight then the general voter because they "think" they have superior intellect. I find the whole thing funny.... (this is a generalization but) most of "them" are highschool dropouts who are now rich as F.
And you're not leaving here without me, I don't wanna be without
My best... friend. Wake up, to see you could have it all
I'd say it's a coin flip at current.
"I don't believe in damn curses. Wake up the damn Bambino and have me face him. Maybe I'll drill him in the ass." --- Pedro Martinez
A coin flip that will determine quite a bit about this nation's future, and the world.
I couldn't have said this better myself. How anyone could vote McCain/Palin in 2008 is just a total mind fuck.
This shouldn't even be a conversation at this point.
Why is this race so close? seriously?
WTF is wrong with America?
She is a flat out joke, so is anyone who tries to defend her.
I've no basis for this opinion, no hard and fast evidence. It's just the impression that I get, seeing her on television, watching her be interviewed. And I AM tired of the partisan bickering, the "Us vs. Them" philosophy of our political system. I don't want that. I want her (and others, on "that side" of the debate) to know that I still consider them people, just as equal as anyone else. And that when their kids gets shot in Iraq, those are my kids, too.
And I really hope that when this is all over, her daughter has a better life than the one the media's forced on her, so far.
What an insightful piece of crap.
It's ok though, everyone who disagrees with you is an idiot, right?
Love you to Cincy.
Did say many, not all and people that support Obama have the same need for justification.
I'm sure my views are skewed as well...but how someone can in anyway justify giving Palin any chance whatsoever of becoming President....I just dont' know...its baffling. Maybe I'm wrong...who knows...I am but human.
Once again...
If she's "qualified" then GWB is 10 times more experience and he's fucked us in about every way you can.
she's a gimmick, she's the symbol of the fucking idiots the GOP thinks we are.
fearful of her? Oh, you betcha! her "tough policies"? her "tellin it like it is"?
yeah, not so much.
fucking up our country worse than it already is? oh yeah.
she's a menace, a political nightmare in a dress.
oh, and the real difference between Obama and Palin? experience? Nah....
obama EARNED his nomination.
g under p
you're bringin the lyrics today eh?
what are they smokin out in the sombrero galaxy?
How is this any different from the person who is influenced by his/her... Church leader? Or Political Party's Agenda? Or Talk Radio Host?
Hail, Hail!!!
IMHO four words: deaf, dumb and blind
Mohandas K. Gandhi
~I once had a sparrow alight upon my shoulder for a moment, while I was hoeing in a village garden, and I felt that I was more distinguished by that circumstance than I should have been by any epaulette I could have worn.~
Henry David Thoreau