"The jobs Americans won't do"

Cosmo

yoke wrote:

I support this 100%, now they just need hold the companies responsable for this type of illegal activity.

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Which makes the Subject Title to this thread a bit misleading. It could also read, "Jobs That American Companies Won't Hire Americans To Do...".
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Why did Howard Industries hire Illegals?
Most likely because American workers cost too much.

catch22

mammasan wrote:

I have no problem with the operation, but I do find it sad that the illegals where rounded up and shipped off leaving family members in limbo while to assholes who hired them got to go home that night to their loved ones. Both should have been treated the same in my opinion.

this is america, land of golden god of capitalism. no corporate manager is going to be punished for just trying to maximize profits, no matter how many laws it breaks or lives it destroys.

godpt3

know1 wrote:

Totally agree. In fact, I wish they'd just make it easy for them to become citizens.

I just wish the little shits would take the time to learn English. Where I'm at, it's about 49% hispanic... most of them working in the meat packing industry. In my community, it's pretty clear that the influx of immigrants over the past 10-15 years or so has lead to the ever quickening decrease in the quality of the community. And a large part of that is because the Mexicans, and those from Latin America, don't speak English and have very few, if any, ties to the community. You'd be amazed at how many check cashing and payday loan shitholes have popped up here in the past 2 or three years. It's pathetic.

godpt3

Cosmo wrote:

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Why did Howard Industries hire Illegals?
Most likely because American workers cost too much.

which is funny, because, at least around here, some of the packing plant jobs are more than $15/ hour. Hell some of these guys make more $$$ than I do.

mammasan

godpt3 wrote:

I just wish the little shits would take the time to learn English. Where I'm at, it's about 49% hispanic... most of them working in the meat packing industry. In my community, it's pretty clear that the influx of immigrants over the past 10-15 years or so has lead to the ever quickening decrease in the quality of the community. And a large part of that is because the Mexicans, and those from Latin America, don't speak English and have very few, if any, ties to the community. You'd be amazed at how many check cashing and payday loan shitholes have popped up here in the past 2 or three years. It's pathetic.

Little shits, that's nice.

Cosmo

godpt3 wrote:

which is funny, because, at least around here, some of the packing plant jobs are more than $15/ hour. Hell some of these guys make more $$$ than I do.

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Simple fix...
Get a job at the packing plant.
Done. No more complaints.

inmytree

stuckinline wrote:

they need to be documented and pay taxes

most get a Taxpayer Identification Number which allows them to pay taxes...

http://www.irs.gov/businesses/small/international/article/0,,id=96477,00.html

godpt3

inmytree wrote:

most get a Taxpayer Identification Number which allows them to pay taxes...

http://www.irs.gov/businesses/small/international/article/0,,id=96477,00.html

actually, most of them steal somebody else's SSN. which is why they always get charged with identity theft.

inmytree

godpt3 wrote:

actually, most of them steal somebody else's SSN. which is why they always get charged with identity theft.

really? where can I find more information on this...?

godpt3

inmytree wrote:

really? where can I find more information on this...?

recent Associated Press story...


CEDAR RAPIDS, Iowa (AP)—A supervisor at the Agriprocessors meatpacking plant in Postville pleaded guilty Aug. 20 to conspiring to hire illegal immigrants and aiding and abetting their hiring.

Juan Carlos Guerrero-Espinoza, 35, struck a plea deal with federal prosecutors in court Aug. 20. He faces up to 10 years in prison and a $500,000 fine.

Federal magistrate Jon S. Scoles told Guerrero-Espinoza he will probably serve four to five years in prison. Part of the plea deal recommends a judge add two years to his sentence.

A date for sentencing was not immediately scheduled.
Scoles said Guerrero-Espinoza, a legal resident of the United States, could be deported after his sentence.

Guerrero-Espinoza, shackled at the wrists, ankles and waist, nodded his head while Scoles read the charges against him.

In May, the Agriprocessors plant in Postville was the site of the largest single-site immigration raid in U.S. history.

After the raid, 389 illegal immigrants were detained.

Guerrero-Espinoza and fellow Agriprocessors supervisor Martin De La Rosa-Loera, 43, were arrested on July 3 and charged with encouraging illegal immigrants to reside in the U.S. and aiding and abetting the possession and use of fraudulent identification. Guerrero-Espinoza also faced a charge of aiding and abetting aggravated identity theft.

Assistant U.S. Attorney Peter Deegan said in court on Aug. 20 that the additional two years recommended for Guerrero-Espinoza’s sentence stem from “dismissed and uncharged conduct,” but declined to comment further after the hearing.

The criminal complaint against Guerrero-Espinoza said a source who worked in the human resource department, who wasn’t identified, told authorities that Guerrero-Espinoza would bring them resident alien cards for new job applicants who were to be hired in the beef kill department, one of the areas he supervised.

Another source who worked at the plant told authorities that a week before the raid Guerrero-Espinoza instructed a group of workers to get new IDs and Social Security numbers in order to keep working at the company, the complaint said.

That source also reported that Guerrero-Espinoza instructed the person to provide a photograph and $200, and that the source supplied him with the money and a fake name. In return, the source says Guerrero-Espinoza provided new application packets including fraudulent resident alien cards.
Guerrero admitted in court to telling employees in May that they would be fired and rehired immediately, a key element of the conspiracy charge.
The plea agreement is nonbinding, and sentencing judge Linda R. Reade does not have to abide by the two-year addition recommended by prosecutors.

inmytree

godpt3 wrote:

recent Associated Press story...


CEDAR RAPIDS, Iowa (AP)—A supervisor at the Agriprocessors meatpacking plant in Postville pleaded guilty Aug. 20 to conspiring to hire illegal immigrants and aiding and abetting their hiring.

Juan Carlos Guerrero-Espinoza, 35, struck a plea deal with federal prosecutors in court Aug. 20. He faces up to 10 years in prison and a $500,000 fine.

Federal magistrate Jon S. Scoles told Guerrero-Espinoza he will probably serve four to five years in prison. Part of the plea deal recommends a judge add two years to his sentence.

A date for sentencing was not immediately scheduled.
Scoles said Guerrero-Espinoza, a legal resident of the United States, could be deported after his sentence.

Guerrero-Espinoza, shackled at the wrists, ankles and waist, nodded his head while Scoles read the charges against him.

In May, the Agriprocessors plant in Postville was the site of the largest single-site immigration raid in U.S. history.

After the raid, 389 illegal immigrants were detained.

Guerrero-Espinoza and fellow Agriprocessors supervisor Martin De La Rosa-Loera, 43, were arrested on July 3 and charged with encouraging illegal immigrants to reside in the U.S. and aiding and abetting the possession and use of fraudulent identification. Guerrero-Espinoza also faced a charge of aiding and abetting aggravated identity theft.

Assistant U.S. Attorney Peter Deegan said in court on Aug. 20 that the additional two years recommended for Guerrero-Espinoza’s sentence stem from “dismissed and uncharged conduct,” but declined to comment further after the hearing.

The criminal complaint against Guerrero-Espinoza said a source who worked in the human resource department, who wasn’t identified, told authorities that Guerrero-Espinoza would bring them resident alien cards for new job applicants who were to be hired in the beef kill department, one of the areas he supervised.

Another source who worked at the plant told authorities that a week before the raid Guerrero-Espinoza instructed a group of workers to get new IDs and Social Security numbers in order to keep working at the company, the complaint said.

That source also reported that Guerrero-Espinoza instructed the person to provide a photograph and $200, and that the source supplied him with the money and a fake name. In return, the source says Guerrero-Espinoza provided new application packets including fraudulent resident alien cards.
Guerrero admitted in court to telling employees in May that they would be fired and rehired immediately, a key element of the conspiracy charge.
The plea agreement is nonbinding, and sentencing judge Linda R. Reade does not have to abide by the two-year addition recommended by prosecutors.

this has nothing to do with your statement of:

"actually, most of them steal somebody else's SSN. which is why they always get charged with identity theft."


what just read in your article was a company encouraged them to use stolen SS#'s....of which they provided...

LikeAnOpeningBandForTheSun

heh i'm from about 10 minutes from Laurel, MS. i would have worked there... for a decent wage. why hire locals when illegals are half the price! fuck the locals who let them build there in the first place!

unsung

know1 wrote:

Totally agree. In fact, I wish they'd just make it easy for them to become citizens.

Define 'them'.

gabers

I have to say that the whole argument that Mexicans do the jobs that we won't is misleading. I've heard it so many times. The reality is, they'll do jobs that we won't do for such low pay. I'm quite sure you'd get more gringos, blacks, asians, indians, whatever to "do the jobs the Mexicans do" if they were paid a decent wage. So again, I blame the employers hiring these people every bit as much as the illegal workers and totally agree with the sentiment that the employers should be held accountable.

LikeAnOpeningBandForTheSun

you're crazy. i loved making 2.15 an hour plus tips waiting tables instead of working a cushy factory job making 20 an hour plus benefits. who would want to work there? i'll let the illegals have that job, minus the pay and benefits of course. after all, our corporations' well being must be preserved at all costs! without them i wouldnt have been able to keep my shitty low pay service job!

but hey at least i got to wait on them when they came in on their lunch breaks! i'm sure they left fat tips that the busboy stole or something.

yoke

unsung wrote:

Define 'them'.

lol

i am a target

gabers wrote:

I have to say that the whole argument that Mexicans do the jobs that we won't is misleading. I've heard it so many times. The reality is, they'll do jobs that we won't do for such low pay. I'm quite sure you'd get more gringos, blacks, asians, indians, whatever to "do the jobs the Mexicans do" if they were paid a decent wage. So again, I blame the employers hiring these people every bit as much as the illegal workers and totally agree with the sentiment that the employers should be held accountable.

do you have any idea how much stuff like produce would cost if you had anyone other than migrant workers picking? drive through the central valley of california sometime and watch them work..

he still stands

Just curious... has anyone here lost a job to an illegal alien?

Cosmo

he still stands wrote:

Just curious... has anyone here lost a job to an illegal alien?

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Only those of us whom have chosen a career path in the chicken slaughterhouse profession or us professional dish washers.

Kel Varnsen

gabers wrote:

I have to say that the whole argument that Mexicans do the jobs that we won't is misleading. I've heard it so many times. The reality is, they'll do jobs that we won't do for such low pay. I'm quite sure you'd get more gringos, blacks, asians, indians, whatever to "do the jobs the Mexicans do" if they were paid a decent wage. So again, I blame the employers hiring these people every bit as much as the illegal workers and totally agree with the sentiment that the employers should be held accountable.

But how exactly do you define a decent wage? Personally I think if you are doing something repetitive and super easy like bolting a wheel on a car, maybe you shouldn't be making $25-$30 bucks an hour plus benefits and a retirement plan. Now if you can support your family on much less then more power to you.