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By now everyone has heard of the raid in Mississippi at the Howard Industries electrical component manufacturing plant, which rounded up over 600 illegal aliens.
I'd link to CNN but imagine that they don't have it up anymore.
So you guys get Fox, yeah I know now it never happened.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,411462,00.html
LAUREL, Miss. — A day after the largest single-workplace immigration raid in U.S. history, Elizabeth Alegria was too scared to send her son to school and worried about when she'd see her husband again.
Nearly 600 immigrants suspected of being in the country illegally were detained, creating panic among dozens of families in this small southern Mississippi town.
Alegria, 26, a Mexican immigrant, was working at the Howard Industries transformer plant Monday when U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement agents stormed in. When they found out she has two sons, ages 4 and 9, she was fitted with a bracelet and told to appear in federal court next month. But her husband, Andres, wasn't so lucky.
"I'm very traumatized because I don't know if they are going to let my husband go and when I will see him," Alegria said through a translator Tuesday as she returned to the Howard Industries parking lot to retrieve her sport utility vehicle.
The superintendent of the county school district said about half of approximately 160 Hispanic students were absent Tuesday.
Roberto Velez, pastor at Iglesia Cristiana Peniel, where an estimated 30 to 40 percent of the 200 parishioners were caught up in the raid, said parents were afraid immigration officials would take them.
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"They didn't send their kids to school today," he said. "How scared is that?"
One worker caught in Monday's sweep at the plant said fellow workers applauded as immigrants were taken into custody. Federal officials said a tip from a union member prompted them to start investigating several years ago.
Fabiola Pena, 21, cradled her 2-year-old daughter as she described a chaotic scene at the plant as the raid began, followed by clapping.
"I was crying the whole time. I didn't know what to do," Pena said. "We didn't know what was happening because everyone started running. Some people thought it was a bomb but then we figured out it was immigration."
About 100 of the 595 detained workers were released for humanitarian reasons, many of them mothers who were fitted with electronic monitoring bracelets and allowed to go home to their children, officials said.
About 475 other workers were transferred to an ICE facility in Jena, La. Nine who were under 18 were transferred to the custody of the Office of Refugee Resettlement.
John Foxworth, an attorney representing some of the immigrants, said eight appeared in federal court in Hattiesburg on Tuesday because they face criminal charges for allegedly using false Social Security and residency identification.
He said the raid was traumatic for families.
"There was no communication, an immediate loss of any kind of news and a lack of understanding of what's happening to their loved ones," he said. "A complete and utter feeling of helplessness."
Those detained were from Brazil, El Salvador, Germany, Guatemala, Honduras, Mexico, Panama, and Peru, said Barbara Gonzalez, an ICE spokeswoman.
"We have kids without dads and pregnant mothers who got their husbands taken away," said Velez's son, Robert, youth pastor at the church. "It was like a horror story. They got handled like they were criminals."
Howard Industries is in Mississippi's Pine Belt region, known for commercial timber growth and chicken processing plants. The tech company produces dozens of products ranging from electrical transformers to medical supplies, according to its Web site.
Gonzalez said agents had executed search warrants at both the plant and the company headquarters in nearby Ellisville. She said no company executives had been detained, but this was an "ongoing investigation and yesterday's action was just the first part."
A woman at the Ellisville headquarters told The Associated Press on Tuesday that no one was available to answer questions.
In a statement to the Laurel Leader-Call newspaper, Howard Industries said the company "runs every check allowed to ascertain the immigration status of all applicants for its jobs."
Gov. Haley Barbour recently signed a law requiring Mississippi employers to use a U.S. Homeland Security system to check new workers' immigration status.
The law took effect July 1 for businesses with state contracts and takes effect Jan. 1 for other businesses. Mississippi lawmakers once used laptops made by Howard Industries, but it's not clear whether the company has current state contracts.
Under the law, a company found guilty of employing illegal immigrants could lose public contracts for three years and the right to do business in Mississippi for a year.
The law also makes it a felony for an illegal immigrant to accept a job in Mississippi. A message was left with the district attorney's office after hours seeking comment on whether he would use the law to bring state charges against Howard Industries or the workers.
The Mississippi raid is one of several nationwide in recent years.
On May 12, federal immigration officials swept into Agriprocessors, the nation's largest kosher meatpacking plant, in Iowa. Nearly 400 workers were detained and dozens of fraudulent permanent resident alien cards were seized from the plant's human resources department, according to court records. In December 2006, 1,297 were arrested at Swift meatpacking plants in Nebraska and five other states.
http://www.foxnews.com/photoessay/0,4644,4942,00.html#11_165
Go to this above link. That is a picture of the Americans who are standing in line for these now vacant jobs that they won't do.
I'd link to CNN but imagine that they don't have it up anymore.
So you guys get Fox, yeah I know now it never happened.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,411462,00.html
LAUREL, Miss. — A day after the largest single-workplace immigration raid in U.S. history, Elizabeth Alegria was too scared to send her son to school and worried about when she'd see her husband again.
Nearly 600 immigrants suspected of being in the country illegally were detained, creating panic among dozens of families in this small southern Mississippi town.
Alegria, 26, a Mexican immigrant, was working at the Howard Industries transformer plant Monday when U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement agents stormed in. When they found out she has two sons, ages 4 and 9, she was fitted with a bracelet and told to appear in federal court next month. But her husband, Andres, wasn't so lucky.
"I'm very traumatized because I don't know if they are going to let my husband go and when I will see him," Alegria said through a translator Tuesday as she returned to the Howard Industries parking lot to retrieve her sport utility vehicle.
The superintendent of the county school district said about half of approximately 160 Hispanic students were absent Tuesday.
Roberto Velez, pastor at Iglesia Cristiana Peniel, where an estimated 30 to 40 percent of the 200 parishioners were caught up in the raid, said parents were afraid immigration officials would take them.
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STORIES
Feds: Immigrant Raid at Mississippi Plant Largest in U.S. History
"They didn't send their kids to school today," he said. "How scared is that?"
One worker caught in Monday's sweep at the plant said fellow workers applauded as immigrants were taken into custody. Federal officials said a tip from a union member prompted them to start investigating several years ago.
Fabiola Pena, 21, cradled her 2-year-old daughter as she described a chaotic scene at the plant as the raid began, followed by clapping.
"I was crying the whole time. I didn't know what to do," Pena said. "We didn't know what was happening because everyone started running. Some people thought it was a bomb but then we figured out it was immigration."
About 100 of the 595 detained workers were released for humanitarian reasons, many of them mothers who were fitted with electronic monitoring bracelets and allowed to go home to their children, officials said.
About 475 other workers were transferred to an ICE facility in Jena, La. Nine who were under 18 were transferred to the custody of the Office of Refugee Resettlement.
John Foxworth, an attorney representing some of the immigrants, said eight appeared in federal court in Hattiesburg on Tuesday because they face criminal charges for allegedly using false Social Security and residency identification.
He said the raid was traumatic for families.
"There was no communication, an immediate loss of any kind of news and a lack of understanding of what's happening to their loved ones," he said. "A complete and utter feeling of helplessness."
Those detained were from Brazil, El Salvador, Germany, Guatemala, Honduras, Mexico, Panama, and Peru, said Barbara Gonzalez, an ICE spokeswoman.
"We have kids without dads and pregnant mothers who got their husbands taken away," said Velez's son, Robert, youth pastor at the church. "It was like a horror story. They got handled like they were criminals."
Howard Industries is in Mississippi's Pine Belt region, known for commercial timber growth and chicken processing plants. The tech company produces dozens of products ranging from electrical transformers to medical supplies, according to its Web site.
Gonzalez said agents had executed search warrants at both the plant and the company headquarters in nearby Ellisville. She said no company executives had been detained, but this was an "ongoing investigation and yesterday's action was just the first part."
A woman at the Ellisville headquarters told The Associated Press on Tuesday that no one was available to answer questions.
In a statement to the Laurel Leader-Call newspaper, Howard Industries said the company "runs every check allowed to ascertain the immigration status of all applicants for its jobs."
Gov. Haley Barbour recently signed a law requiring Mississippi employers to use a U.S. Homeland Security system to check new workers' immigration status.
The law took effect July 1 for businesses with state contracts and takes effect Jan. 1 for other businesses. Mississippi lawmakers once used laptops made by Howard Industries, but it's not clear whether the company has current state contracts.
Under the law, a company found guilty of employing illegal immigrants could lose public contracts for three years and the right to do business in Mississippi for a year.
The law also makes it a felony for an illegal immigrant to accept a job in Mississippi. A message was left with the district attorney's office after hours seeking comment on whether he would use the law to bring state charges against Howard Industries or the workers.
The Mississippi raid is one of several nationwide in recent years.
On May 12, federal immigration officials swept into Agriprocessors, the nation's largest kosher meatpacking plant, in Iowa. Nearly 400 workers were detained and dozens of fraudulent permanent resident alien cards were seized from the plant's human resources department, according to court records. In December 2006, 1,297 were arrested at Swift meatpacking plants in Nebraska and five other states.
http://www.foxnews.com/photoessay/0,4644,4942,00.html#11_165
Go to this above link. That is a picture of the Americans who are standing in line for these now vacant jobs that they won't do.
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I have no problem with the operation, but I do find it sad that the illegals where rounded up and shipped off leaving family members in limbo while to assholes who hired them got to go home that night to their loved ones. Both should have been treated the same in my opinion."When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul0
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unsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487And this statement from Barack Obama's website
Immigration raids are ineffective: Despite a sevenfold increase in recent years, immigration raids only netted 3,600 arrests in 2006 and have placed all the burdens of a broken system onto immigrant families.
http://www.barackobama.com/issues/immigration/
Tell me Mr. Senator, do you not want to Americans working in these jobs instead of people who are here illegally?0 -
unsung wrote:"It was like a horror story. They got handled like they were criminals."
Ummm...weren't they?
I do agree with mammasan's post as well.hippiemom = goodness0 -
unsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487mammasan wrote:I have no problem with the operation, but I do find it sad that the illegals where rounded up and shipped off leaving family members in limbo while to assholes who hired them got to go home that night to their loved ones. Both should have been treated the same in my opinion.
I totally agree. But family members were not left in limbo. Women with kids were released with ankle monitoring bracelets, they were not hung out to dry.0 -
I support this 100%, now they just need hold the companies responsable for this type of illegal activity.Thats a lovely accent you have. New Jersey?
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unsung wrote:I totally agree. But family members were not left in limbo. Women with kids were released with ankle monitoring bracelets, they were not hung out to dry.
Fine but what about the fathers, husbands, etc... It just seems to me that the poor illegal immigrant is made to suffer while the business men who give these people jobs are treated completely different. In the eyes of the law are they not both criminals.
I'm pretty sick and tired of the double standard when it comes to the issue of illegal immigration. First and fore most there are millions of illegal immigrants in this country who are not Central/South American yet every fucking time the issue comes up it's always portrayed as some dirty spic invasion. As a hispanic I find this truly offensive. Why not talk about the millions of illegal Eastern Europeans, Asians or even the hundreds of thousands of illegal Canadian immigrants in this country. Not one mention of them it's just the hispanics. Second problem is the difference in treatment between the illegal employee and the employer who knowingly hired them. I think it's high fucking time that some of these business owners get swept up in a raid and carted off to some detention center to await arraignment.
Sorry for the rant but this shit bugs me. I'm not in favor of just allowing people to enter this country illegally but let's at least be fair when treating these people. Yes they are technically criminals because they broke the laws but let's at least stop treating them like some sort of second class citizens."When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul0 -
If American businesses didn't hire illegals in the first place we wouldn't have this issue. Jail them and this problem is solved.
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unsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487mammasan wrote:Fine but what about the fathers, husbands, etc... It just seems to me that the poor illegal immigrant is made to suffer while the business men who give these people jobs are treated completely different. In the eyes of the law are they not both criminals.
I agree with you. However they know that they are not supposed to be here illegally. They know they are breaking the law. They should know what they risk by doing so. If you can't do the time don't do the crime saying applies here.
But I agree that the owners of these companies should face punishment, in fact I think I'll fire off an email to ICE and ask if the owners were arrested as well.0 -
I was just about to start a thread about this....
My dad used to live in Petal, Ms just outside of Laurel, and Hattiesburg. He worked at Howard Industries for 3 years.
When I saw this story yesterday I gave him a call to get the scoop.
One of the reasons he left Howard Ind. was the bullshit that went on there with the illegals. He tells me that several of the owners and higher ups in that company had a real scam going on with the Mexicans that hasn't been reported yet. He tells me that the ownership provided 2 bedroom apartments and housed as many as 20 illegals in one 2bedroom apartment. In the meantime the ownership charged each illegal around $500 a month for housing. They took this directly from their pay and have been doing this for years.
He also mentioned that Howard Industries wasn't nearly as bad as the local chicken farms in southern MS. He was hoping that they would get raided next.the Minions0 -
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If you guys want you can call and ask I'm going to send an email because I can get my point across without the potential of being cut off.
George H. Lund III, Field Office Director
DHS/ICE 1250 Poydras Suite 325
New Orleans, LA 70113
Phone: 504-599-7800
Area of Responsibility: Alabama, Arkansas, Louisiana, Mississippi, Tennessee0 -
They need to start making it easier for these people to be over here and working. I have no problem with them being here its great for American businesses, its just that they need to be documented.BORGATA>VIC0
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Strangest Tribe wrote:I was just about to start a thread about this....
My dad used to live in Petal, Ms just outside of Laurel, and Hattiesburg. He worked at Howard Industries for 3 years.
When I saw this story yesterday I gave him a call to get the scoop.
One of the reasons he left Howard Ind. was the bullshit that went on there with the illegals. He tells me that several of the owners and higher ups in that company had a real scam going on with the Mexicans that hasn't been reported yet. He tells me that the ownership provided 2 bedroom apartments and housed as many as 20 illegals in one 2bedroom apartment. In the meantime the ownership charged each illegal around $500 a month for housing. They took this directly from their pay and have been doing this for years.
He also mentioned that Howard Industries wasn't nearly as bad as the local chicken farms in southern MS. He was hoping that they would get raided next.
This is the kinda shit I'm talking about, Americans are NOT going put up with or do this kind of madness for work. They ain't! Jail the whole company cause they'll move and set up somewhere else.
Peace*We CAN bomb the World to pieces, but we CAN'T bomb it into PEACE*...Michael Franti
*MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
.....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti
*The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)0 -
SpreadtheJAM wrote:They need to start making it easier for these people to be over here and working. I have no problem with them being here its great for American businesses, its just that they need to be documented.
What do you mean..."these people?"16
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Strangest Tribe wrote:I was just about to start a thread about this....
My dad used to live in Petal, Ms just outside of Laurel, and Hattiesburg. He worked at Howard Industries for 3 years.
When I saw this story yesterday I gave him a call to get the scoop.
One of the reasons he left Howard Ind. was the bullshit that went on there with the illegals. He tells me that several of the owners and higher ups in that company had a real scam going on with the Mexicans that hasn't been reported yet. He tells me that the ownership provided 2 bedroom apartments and housed as many as 20 illegals in one 2bedroom apartment. In the meantime the ownership charged each illegal around $500 a month for housing. They took this directly from their pay and have been doing this for years.
He also mentioned that Howard Industries wasn't nearly as bad as the local chicken farms in southern MS. He was hoping that they would get raided next.
No the owners and employers will get a fine which amounts to a slap on the wrist. They have the money to hire a team of lawyers to make sure of it. Then it will back to hiring illegals. It's far more profitable for them to hire illegals for next to nothing and pay the fines than it is to hire citizens and pay a hired wage/salary and benefits."When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul0 -
I didn't see any Americans standing in line after ICE conducted a six-State raid throughout the Midwest meat packing plant industry. Guess it depends on the type of job people are willing to do. Electronics plant vs. the disgusting jobs performed in a meat packing processing plant.
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they need to be documented and pay taxesSpreadtheJAM wrote:They need to start making it easier for these people to be over here and working. I have no problem with them being here its great for American businesses, its just that they need to be documented.0 -
g under p wrote:If American businesses didn't hire illegals in the first place we wouldn't have this issue.
exactly.Stay with me...
Let's just breathe...
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SpreadtheJAM wrote:They need to start making it easier for these people to be over here and working. I have no problem with them being here its great for American businesses, its just that they need to be documented.
Totally agree. In fact, I wish they'd just make it easy for them to become citizens.The only people we should try to get even with...
...are those who've helped us.
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know1 wrote:Totally agree. In fact, I wish they'd just make it easy for them to become citizens.
again, exactly.
i never quite understood what the problem is there? obviously, these people are living and working here anyway....so why NOT make the process easier so they can be contributing citizens, pay taxes, not be a drain on services, etc.Stay with me...
Let's just breathe...
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How about holding the people who HIRE 600 illegal immigrants into their company accountable? Can they just plead 'ignorance' and continue their current hiring practices? Sounds to me like their Human Resources director has some 'splaining to do.
I am also wondering... what was the job classification, the salary grade, the W-2 with holdings and company medical benefits these immigrants got.Allen Fieldhouse, home of the 2008 NCAA men's Basketball Champions! Go Jayhawks!
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