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By now everyone has heard of the raid in Mississippi at the Howard Industries electrical component manufacturing plant, which rounded up over 600 illegal aliens.
I'd link to CNN but imagine that they don't have it up anymore.
So you guys get Fox, yeah I know now it never happened.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,411462,00.html
LAUREL, Miss. — A day after the largest single-workplace immigration raid in U.S. history, Elizabeth Alegria was too scared to send her son to school and worried about when she'd see her husband again.
Nearly 600 immigrants suspected of being in the country illegally were detained, creating panic among dozens of families in this small southern Mississippi town.
Alegria, 26, a Mexican immigrant, was working at the Howard Industries transformer plant Monday when U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement agents stormed in. When they found out she has two sons, ages 4 and 9, she was fitted with a bracelet and told to appear in federal court next month. But her husband, Andres, wasn't so lucky.
"I'm very traumatized because I don't know if they are going to let my husband go and when I will see him," Alegria said through a translator Tuesday as she returned to the Howard Industries parking lot to retrieve her sport utility vehicle.
The superintendent of the county school district said about half of approximately 160 Hispanic students were absent Tuesday.
Roberto Velez, pastor at Iglesia Cristiana Peniel, where an estimated 30 to 40 percent of the 200 parishioners were caught up in the raid, said parents were afraid immigration officials would take them.
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"They didn't send their kids to school today," he said. "How scared is that?"
One worker caught in Monday's sweep at the plant said fellow workers applauded as immigrants were taken into custody. Federal officials said a tip from a union member prompted them to start investigating several years ago.
Fabiola Pena, 21, cradled her 2-year-old daughter as she described a chaotic scene at the plant as the raid began, followed by clapping.
"I was crying the whole time. I didn't know what to do," Pena said. "We didn't know what was happening because everyone started running. Some people thought it was a bomb but then we figured out it was immigration."
About 100 of the 595 detained workers were released for humanitarian reasons, many of them mothers who were fitted with electronic monitoring bracelets and allowed to go home to their children, officials said.
About 475 other workers were transferred to an ICE facility in Jena, La. Nine who were under 18 were transferred to the custody of the Office of Refugee Resettlement.
John Foxworth, an attorney representing some of the immigrants, said eight appeared in federal court in Hattiesburg on Tuesday because they face criminal charges for allegedly using false Social Security and residency identification.
He said the raid was traumatic for families.
"There was no communication, an immediate loss of any kind of news and a lack of understanding of what's happening to their loved ones," he said. "A complete and utter feeling of helplessness."
Those detained were from Brazil, El Salvador, Germany, Guatemala, Honduras, Mexico, Panama, and Peru, said Barbara Gonzalez, an ICE spokeswoman.
"We have kids without dads and pregnant mothers who got their husbands taken away," said Velez's son, Robert, youth pastor at the church. "It was like a horror story. They got handled like they were criminals."
Howard Industries is in Mississippi's Pine Belt region, known for commercial timber growth and chicken processing plants. The tech company produces dozens of products ranging from electrical transformers to medical supplies, according to its Web site.
Gonzalez said agents had executed search warrants at both the plant and the company headquarters in nearby Ellisville. She said no company executives had been detained, but this was an "ongoing investigation and yesterday's action was just the first part."
A woman at the Ellisville headquarters told The Associated Press on Tuesday that no one was available to answer questions.
In a statement to the Laurel Leader-Call newspaper, Howard Industries said the company "runs every check allowed to ascertain the immigration status of all applicants for its jobs."
Gov. Haley Barbour recently signed a law requiring Mississippi employers to use a U.S. Homeland Security system to check new workers' immigration status.
The law took effect July 1 for businesses with state contracts and takes effect Jan. 1 for other businesses. Mississippi lawmakers once used laptops made by Howard Industries, but it's not clear whether the company has current state contracts.
Under the law, a company found guilty of employing illegal immigrants could lose public contracts for three years and the right to do business in Mississippi for a year.
The law also makes it a felony for an illegal immigrant to accept a job in Mississippi. A message was left with the district attorney's office after hours seeking comment on whether he would use the law to bring state charges against Howard Industries or the workers.
The Mississippi raid is one of several nationwide in recent years.
On May 12, federal immigration officials swept into Agriprocessors, the nation's largest kosher meatpacking plant, in Iowa. Nearly 400 workers were detained and dozens of fraudulent permanent resident alien cards were seized from the plant's human resources department, according to court records. In December 2006, 1,297 were arrested at Swift meatpacking plants in Nebraska and five other states.
http://www.foxnews.com/photoessay/0,4644,4942,00.html#11_165
Go to this above link. That is a picture of the Americans who are standing in line for these now vacant jobs that they won't do.
I'd link to CNN but imagine that they don't have it up anymore.
So you guys get Fox, yeah I know now it never happened.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,411462,00.html
LAUREL, Miss. — A day after the largest single-workplace immigration raid in U.S. history, Elizabeth Alegria was too scared to send her son to school and worried about when she'd see her husband again.
Nearly 600 immigrants suspected of being in the country illegally were detained, creating panic among dozens of families in this small southern Mississippi town.
Alegria, 26, a Mexican immigrant, was working at the Howard Industries transformer plant Monday when U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement agents stormed in. When they found out she has two sons, ages 4 and 9, she was fitted with a bracelet and told to appear in federal court next month. But her husband, Andres, wasn't so lucky.
"I'm very traumatized because I don't know if they are going to let my husband go and when I will see him," Alegria said through a translator Tuesday as she returned to the Howard Industries parking lot to retrieve her sport utility vehicle.
The superintendent of the county school district said about half of approximately 160 Hispanic students were absent Tuesday.
Roberto Velez, pastor at Iglesia Cristiana Peniel, where an estimated 30 to 40 percent of the 200 parishioners were caught up in the raid, said parents were afraid immigration officials would take them.
RELATED
STORIES
Feds: Immigrant Raid at Mississippi Plant Largest in U.S. History
"They didn't send their kids to school today," he said. "How scared is that?"
One worker caught in Monday's sweep at the plant said fellow workers applauded as immigrants were taken into custody. Federal officials said a tip from a union member prompted them to start investigating several years ago.
Fabiola Pena, 21, cradled her 2-year-old daughter as she described a chaotic scene at the plant as the raid began, followed by clapping.
"I was crying the whole time. I didn't know what to do," Pena said. "We didn't know what was happening because everyone started running. Some people thought it was a bomb but then we figured out it was immigration."
About 100 of the 595 detained workers were released for humanitarian reasons, many of them mothers who were fitted with electronic monitoring bracelets and allowed to go home to their children, officials said.
About 475 other workers were transferred to an ICE facility in Jena, La. Nine who were under 18 were transferred to the custody of the Office of Refugee Resettlement.
John Foxworth, an attorney representing some of the immigrants, said eight appeared in federal court in Hattiesburg on Tuesday because they face criminal charges for allegedly using false Social Security and residency identification.
He said the raid was traumatic for families.
"There was no communication, an immediate loss of any kind of news and a lack of understanding of what's happening to their loved ones," he said. "A complete and utter feeling of helplessness."
Those detained were from Brazil, El Salvador, Germany, Guatemala, Honduras, Mexico, Panama, and Peru, said Barbara Gonzalez, an ICE spokeswoman.
"We have kids without dads and pregnant mothers who got their husbands taken away," said Velez's son, Robert, youth pastor at the church. "It was like a horror story. They got handled like they were criminals."
Howard Industries is in Mississippi's Pine Belt region, known for commercial timber growth and chicken processing plants. The tech company produces dozens of products ranging from electrical transformers to medical supplies, according to its Web site.
Gonzalez said agents had executed search warrants at both the plant and the company headquarters in nearby Ellisville. She said no company executives had been detained, but this was an "ongoing investigation and yesterday's action was just the first part."
A woman at the Ellisville headquarters told The Associated Press on Tuesday that no one was available to answer questions.
In a statement to the Laurel Leader-Call newspaper, Howard Industries said the company "runs every check allowed to ascertain the immigration status of all applicants for its jobs."
Gov. Haley Barbour recently signed a law requiring Mississippi employers to use a U.S. Homeland Security system to check new workers' immigration status.
The law took effect July 1 for businesses with state contracts and takes effect Jan. 1 for other businesses. Mississippi lawmakers once used laptops made by Howard Industries, but it's not clear whether the company has current state contracts.
Under the law, a company found guilty of employing illegal immigrants could lose public contracts for three years and the right to do business in Mississippi for a year.
The law also makes it a felony for an illegal immigrant to accept a job in Mississippi. A message was left with the district attorney's office after hours seeking comment on whether he would use the law to bring state charges against Howard Industries or the workers.
The Mississippi raid is one of several nationwide in recent years.
On May 12, federal immigration officials swept into Agriprocessors, the nation's largest kosher meatpacking plant, in Iowa. Nearly 400 workers were detained and dozens of fraudulent permanent resident alien cards were seized from the plant's human resources department, according to court records. In December 2006, 1,297 were arrested at Swift meatpacking plants in Nebraska and five other states.
http://www.foxnews.com/photoessay/0,4644,4942,00.html#11_165
Go to this above link. That is a picture of the Americans who are standing in line for these now vacant jobs that they won't do.
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Immigration raids are ineffective: Despite a sevenfold increase in recent years, immigration raids only netted 3,600 arrests in 2006 and have placed all the burdens of a broken system onto immigrant families.
http://www.barackobama.com/issues/immigration/
Tell me Mr. Senator, do you not want to Americans working in these jobs instead of people who are here illegally?
Ummm...weren't they?
I do agree with mammasan's post as well.
I totally agree. But family members were not left in limbo. Women with kids were released with ankle monitoring bracelets, they were not hung out to dry.
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Fine but what about the fathers, husbands, etc... It just seems to me that the poor illegal immigrant is made to suffer while the business men who give these people jobs are treated completely different. In the eyes of the law are they not both criminals.
I'm pretty sick and tired of the double standard when it comes to the issue of illegal immigration. First and fore most there are millions of illegal immigrants in this country who are not Central/South American yet every fucking time the issue comes up it's always portrayed as some dirty spic invasion. As a hispanic I find this truly offensive. Why not talk about the millions of illegal Eastern Europeans, Asians or even the hundreds of thousands of illegal Canadian immigrants in this country. Not one mention of them it's just the hispanics. Second problem is the difference in treatment between the illegal employee and the employer who knowingly hired them. I think it's high fucking time that some of these business owners get swept up in a raid and carted off to some detention center to await arraignment.
Sorry for the rant but this shit bugs me. I'm not in favor of just allowing people to enter this country illegally but let's at least be fair when treating these people. Yes they are technically criminals because they broke the laws but let's at least stop treating them like some sort of second class citizens.
I agree with you. However they know that they are not supposed to be here illegally. They know they are breaking the law. They should know what they risk by doing so. If you can't do the time don't do the crime saying applies here.
But I agree that the owners of these companies should face punishment, in fact I think I'll fire off an email to ICE and ask if the owners were arrested as well.
Peace
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My dad used to live in Petal, Ms just outside of Laurel, and Hattiesburg. He worked at Howard Industries for 3 years.
When I saw this story yesterday I gave him a call to get the scoop.
One of the reasons he left Howard Ind. was the bullshit that went on there with the illegals. He tells me that several of the owners and higher ups in that company had a real scam going on with the Mexicans that hasn't been reported yet. He tells me that the ownership provided 2 bedroom apartments and housed as many as 20 illegals in one 2bedroom apartment. In the meantime the ownership charged each illegal around $500 a month for housing. They took this directly from their pay and have been doing this for years.
He also mentioned that Howard Industries wasn't nearly as bad as the local chicken farms in southern MS. He was hoping that they would get raided next.
If you guys want you can call and ask I'm going to send an email because I can get my point across without the potential of being cut off.
George H. Lund III, Field Office Director
DHS/ICE 1250 Poydras Suite 325
New Orleans, LA 70113
Phone: 504-599-7800
Area of Responsibility: Alabama, Arkansas, Louisiana, Mississippi, Tennessee
This is the kinda shit I'm talking about, Americans are NOT going put up with or do this kind of madness for work. They ain't! Jail the whole company cause they'll move and set up somewhere else.
Peace
*MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
.....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti
*The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)
What do you mean..."these people?"
Lil Wayne is better than Pearl Jam.
Bitches ain't nothin' but hoes 'n tricks
No the owners and employers will get a fine which amounts to a slap on the wrist. They have the money to hire a team of lawyers to make sure of it. Then it will back to hiring illegals. It's far more profitable for them to hire illegals for next to nothing and pay the fines than it is to hire citizens and pay a hired wage/salary and benefits.
http://www.crownheights.info/index.php?itemid=11906
exactly.
Let's just breathe...
I am myself like you somehow
Totally agree. In fact, I wish they'd just make it easy for them to become citizens.
...are those who've helped us.
Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
again, exactly.
i never quite understood what the problem is there? obviously, these people are living and working here anyway....so why NOT make the process easier so they can be contributing citizens, pay taxes, not be a drain on services, etc.
Let's just breathe...
I am myself like you somehow
I am also wondering... what was the job classification, the salary grade, the W-2 with holdings and company medical benefits these immigrants got.
Hail, Hail!!!
Which makes the Subject Title to this thread a bit misleading. It could also read, "Jobs That American Companies Won't Hire Americans To Do...".
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Why did Howard Industries hire Illegals?
Most likely because American workers cost too much.
Hail, Hail!!!
this is america, land of golden god of capitalism. no corporate manager is going to be punished for just trying to maximize profits, no matter how many laws it breaks or lives it destroys.
I just wish the little shits would take the time to learn English. Where I'm at, it's about 49% hispanic... most of them working in the meat packing industry. In my community, it's pretty clear that the influx of immigrants over the past 10-15 years or so has lead to the ever quickening decrease in the quality of the community. And a large part of that is because the Mexicans, and those from Latin America, don't speak English and have very few, if any, ties to the community. You'd be amazed at how many check cashing and payday loan shitholes have popped up here in the past 2 or three years. It's pathetic.
—Dorothy Parker
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which is funny, because, at least around here, some of the packing plant jobs are more than $15/ hour. Hell some of these guys make more $$$ than I do.
—Dorothy Parker
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Little shits, that's nice.
Simple fix...
Get a job at the packing plant.
Done. No more complaints.
Hail, Hail!!!
most get a Taxpayer Identification Number which allows them to pay taxes...
http://www.irs.gov/businesses/small/international/article/0,,id=96477,00.html
actually, most of them steal somebody else's SSN. which is why they always get charged with identity theft.
—Dorothy Parker
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really? where can I find more information on this...?
recent Associated Press story...
CEDAR RAPIDS, Iowa (AP)—A supervisor at the Agriprocessors meatpacking plant in Postville pleaded guilty Aug. 20 to conspiring to hire illegal immigrants and aiding and abetting their hiring.
Juan Carlos Guerrero-Espinoza, 35, struck a plea deal with federal prosecutors in court Aug. 20. He faces up to 10 years in prison and a $500,000 fine.
Federal magistrate Jon S. Scoles told Guerrero-Espinoza he will probably serve four to five years in prison. Part of the plea deal recommends a judge add two years to his sentence.
A date for sentencing was not immediately scheduled.
Scoles said Guerrero-Espinoza, a legal resident of the United States, could be deported after his sentence.
Guerrero-Espinoza, shackled at the wrists, ankles and waist, nodded his head while Scoles read the charges against him.
In May, the Agriprocessors plant in Postville was the site of the largest single-site immigration raid in U.S. history.
After the raid, 389 illegal immigrants were detained.
Guerrero-Espinoza and fellow Agriprocessors supervisor Martin De La Rosa-Loera, 43, were arrested on July 3 and charged with encouraging illegal immigrants to reside in the U.S. and aiding and abetting the possession and use of fraudulent identification. Guerrero-Espinoza also faced a charge of aiding and abetting aggravated identity theft.
Assistant U.S. Attorney Peter Deegan said in court on Aug. 20 that the additional two years recommended for Guerrero-Espinoza’s sentence stem from “dismissed and uncharged conduct,” but declined to comment further after the hearing.
The criminal complaint against Guerrero-Espinoza said a source who worked in the human resource department, who wasn’t identified, told authorities that Guerrero-Espinoza would bring them resident alien cards for new job applicants who were to be hired in the beef kill department, one of the areas he supervised.
Another source who worked at the plant told authorities that a week before the raid Guerrero-Espinoza instructed a group of workers to get new IDs and Social Security numbers in order to keep working at the company, the complaint said.
That source also reported that Guerrero-Espinoza instructed the person to provide a photograph and $200, and that the source supplied him with the money and a fake name. In return, the source says Guerrero-Espinoza provided new application packets including fraudulent resident alien cards.
Guerrero admitted in court to telling employees in May that they would be fired and rehired immediately, a key element of the conspiracy charge.
The plea agreement is nonbinding, and sentencing judge Linda R. Reade does not have to abide by the two-year addition recommended by prosecutors.
—Dorothy Parker
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