Universal Health Care

kenny olav

kittykat416 wrote:

(sorry that post was rather long...)

don't be. it was a great post. thank you!

farfromglorified

Kel Varnsen wrote:

I am curious, for people who are happy with the system that the US has, does it not bother them that the government is spending more per person on health care than a lot of countries with universal health care?

It absolutely bothers me that our government spends so much on healthcare, which is just another reason I'm not terribly interested in giving them additional power in reward for their past mistakes.

A well-implemented UHC system could certainly bring down overall government expenditures here in the states. However, eliminating all government involvement in the healthcare market would completely eliminate those expenditures.

Does it not bother them that their life expextancy is lower and their infant mortality rate is higher?

I think you're attempting to draw a false correlation here. Statistically linking UHC to increased life expectancy and decreased infant mortality is a bit of a stretch. Futhermore, "life expectancy" and "infant mortality" are not apple-to-apple measures between states anyway.

Kann

farfromglorified wrote:

I think you're attempting to draw a false correlation here. Statistically linking UHC to increased life expectancy and decreased infant mortality is a bit of a stretch. Futhermore, "life expectancy" and "infant mortality" are not apple-to-apple measures between states anyway.

You can't link it statistically because there are too many disparities among countries to do so but you can always empirically observe that type of correlation.
What would happen in a country with absolutely no government funded health care?

Collin

farfromglorified wrote:

If such an oath were "mandatory", would it be a free system?

I guess not.

I just hope one day you'll tell me how this wonderful system of yours works, where no one's will is being imposed on others. Well, in about a thousands questions I get there...

Kel Varnsen

farfromglorified wrote:

I think you're attempting to draw a false correlation here. Statistically linking UHC to increased life expectancy and decreased infant mortality is a bit of a stretch. Futhermore, "life expectancy" and "infant mortality" are not apple-to-apple measures between states anyway.

I agree that life expectancy isn't just linked to availabilty of health care, there are many other factors that affect it. But does it bother you in general that the life expectancy in the US is lower than a lot of other industrialized nations?

farfromglorified

Kel Varnsen wrote:

I agree that life expectancy isn't just linked to availabilty of health care, there are many other factors that affect it. But does it bother you in general that the life expectancy in the US is lower than a lot of other industrialized nations?

Not particularly, no, given the benefits, risks and realities of American lifestyles.

farfromglorified

Collin wrote:

I just hope one day you'll tell me how this wonderful system of yours works

It's not complicated. Patients seek out professionals from whom they wish to receive medical services, exchanging something valued by those professionals for the services they receive to the extent that they value those services. Every party involved in any medical transaction brings with it their values and their property, exchanging among one another wherever they decide is appropriate and advantageous.

ryan198

farfromglorified wrote:

It's not complicated. Patients seek out professionals from whom they wish to receive medical services, exchanging something valued by those professionals for the services they receive to the extent that they value those services. Every party involved in any medical transaction brings with it their values and their property, exchanging among one another wherever they decide is appropriate and advantageous.

aren't you supposing that everyone has the same access and ability to understand all the information happening in this transaction, that one doesn't hide some or most of that information from others, and that those who are seeking profit will do say in a fair and equitable way? if so aren't you neglecting a history of corporate fraud that this country has allowed (not just the US government but actual corporate business owners). The convenient part in all this for neoliberal capitalists is that corporations are disembodied persons so they can 'never be to blame' b/c they don't exist in real, human, form, but have all the rights of a human being.

farfromglorified

ryan198 wrote:

aren't you supposing that everyone has the same access and ability to understand all the information happening in this transaction, that one doesn't hide some or most of that information from others, and that those who are seeking profit will do say in a fair and equitable way?

I'm not assuming that at all.

if so aren't you neglecting a history of corporate fraud that this country has allowed (not just the US government but actual corporate business owners). The convenient part in all this for neoliberal capitalists is that corporations are disembodied persons so they can 'never be to blame' b/c they don't exist in real, human, form, but have all the rights of a human being.

Ummm...corporations have been and are very much to blame for all sorts of problems both historic and in the present.

mookie blaylock 10

Collin wrote:

I guess not.

thanks

Collin wrote:

I just hope one day

for the

Collin wrote:

you'll tell me how this wonderful system of yours works,

laugh

Collin wrote:

where no one's will is being imposed on others.

collin!

Collin wrote:

Well, in about a thousands questions I get there...

it's funny because it's true.