Burma: Thousands dead in massacre of the monks dumped in the jungle

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  • soulsingingsoulsinging Posts: 13,202
    mammasan wrote:
    We can't influence the Chinese government ourselves so the best we can hope to accomplish it to influence the corporate sponsors of the Olympics and then maybe they will influence the US to withdraw from the Olympics. I know it's a stretch but it's the best we can do.

    im just saying a good PR campaign is crucial and far more important than getting numbers behind your cause.
  • my2handsmy2hands Posts: 17,117
    mammasan wrote:
    Maybe you need to take a look at history.

    They hate us because of our intervention in their affairs. Shah of Iran ring a bell. We have been meddling in Middle Eastern affairs since WW II. We support corrupt governments over there simply because they cater to our needs. We orchestrate coups to over-throw democratically elected governments to insert corrupt oppressive regimes that will cater to our demands. It has nothing to do with our religious beliefs or our freedoms. Our religious beliefs and the tenets of our democracy have been in place for over 200 years, why all of a sudden do they hate us. Why not hate us from the beginning. It is because for the first 150+ years we did not aggressively pursue a foreign policy of intervention. Since WW II we decided that we have the right to intervene whenever and where ever it is beneficial to us regardless of what the regions people or government has to say. It has nothing to do with the misguided belief that they want to destroy us because our women don't where burqas or because we are Christians.


    THE BEST POST I HAVE EVER SEEN ON THE MESSAGE PIT...BRAVO!!!
  • mammasanmammasan Posts: 5,656
    im just saying a good PR campaign is crucial and far more important than getting numbers behind your cause.

    Well that is why I have starting a writing campaign to organizations like Amnesty International to see if they taking the same course of action. I myself can't start a grassroots program but I can help get the word out about one that has already been organized.
    "When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
  • my2handsmy2hands Posts: 17,117
    gue_barium wrote:
    That's what I think. You've got the massacre of 3,000 in 1988, so you have nearly 20 years to re-think the strategy. Ah, thousands of protesters again, perfect, you know exactly the reaction it's going to bring. So...
    Don't be a fucking martyr. Fight the fuck back.
    I'm not down on the monks, they did their part, but there should have been, among those thousands participating in the wings, those willing to take up arms and do some fighting back.


    sticks, stones, and small arms against a government military?

    that wont work. when i gorilla is fighting a child, it is up to the gorilla to show restraint
  • my2handsmy2hands Posts: 17,117
    mammasan wrote:
    If countries started pulling out of the Olympics I think the Chinese government would act on Burma.

    i agree

    2008 is china's opportunity to showcase itself to the world
  • my2handsmy2hands Posts: 17,117
    mammasan wrote:
    Coca-Cola Company
    Atos Origin
    Eastman Kodak
    GE
    John Hancock
    Johnson & Johnson
    Lenovo
    McDonald's
    Omega
    Panasonic
    Samsung
    Visa
    Anheuser-Busch
    AT&T
    Bank of America
    General Motors
    Home Depot
    Allstate
    Hilton Hotels
    Jet Set Sports
    Kellogg's
    Nike
    24 Hour Fitness
    Tyson Foods
    United Airlines

    i assume these companies have strong ties to china/burma?
  • my2handsmy2hands Posts: 17,117
    jlew24asu wrote:
    thanks. I'm stuck with b of a and allstate. the rest I can do

    no your not, 1 phone call and 2 keystrokes and you could stop all business with them
  • my2handsmy2hands Posts: 17,117
    The most senior official to defect so far, Hla Win, said: "Many more people have been killed in recent days than you've heard about. The bodies can be counted in several thousand."


    Mr Win said he fled when he was ordered to take part in a massacre of holy men.



    i am a peaceful man, but i would gladly take the life of each and every person responsible for these atrocities and suppression

    makes me literally sick to read
  • soulsingingsoulsinging Posts: 13,202
    my2hands wrote:
    no your not, 1 phone call and 2 keystrokes and you could stop all business with them

    that's a lot of effort for something that will have zero impact in terms of stopping anything in burma. it's not that simple. that money has to be moved and insurance shifted. that takes more than one phone call and 2 keystrokes.
  • mammasanmammasan Posts: 5,656
    my2hands wrote:
    i assume these companies have strong ties to china/burma?

    No these are the sponsors of the US Olympic Team.
    "When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
  • NMyTreeNMyTree Posts: 2,374
    gue_barium wrote:
    That's what I think. You've got the massacre of 3,000 in 1988, so you have nearly 20 years to re-think the strategy. Ah, thousands of protesters again, perfect, you know exactly the reaction it's going to bring. So...
    Don't be a fucking martyr. Fight the fuck back.
    I'm not down on the monks, they did their part, but there should have been, among those thousands participating in the wings, those willing to take up arms and do some fighting back.


    Certainly a good argument for the right to bear arms/weapons.

    I wonder what would happen if these people all owned handguns, rifles and shotguns.

    I imagine many would still die. But it would certainly go a long way to aiding their ability to fight back.
  • mammasanmammasan Posts: 5,656
    NMyTree wrote:
    Certainly a good argument for the right to bear arms/weapons.

    I wonder what would happen if these people all owned handguns, rifles and shotguns.

    I imagine many would still die. But it would certainly go a long way to aiding their ability to fight back.

    I don't think it would help much. If protestors where to march armed with rifles and handguns, the government would counter with armored personnel carriers and tanks.
    "When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
  • my2hands wrote:
    i agree

    2008 is china's opportunity to showcase itself to the world

    I have a feeling they might wish they never got the olympics by 2008.

    hopefully
  • NMyTreeNMyTree Posts: 2,374
    mammasan wrote:
    I don't think it would help much. If protestors where to march armed with rifles and handguns, the government would counter with armored personnel carriers and tanks.

    If they were armed with weapons they would never march down the street, that way. That would be foolish.

    It would become an insurgence........you know, like Iraq.
  • mammasanmammasan Posts: 5,656
    Here is a video posted on CNN about the arrests and beatings of protestors

    http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/world/2007/10/02/rivers.myanamar.beatings.cnn
    "When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
  • mammasanmammasan Posts: 5,656
    "When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
  • mammasanmammasan Posts: 5,656
    Bump
    "When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
  • jamie ukjamie uk Posts: 3,812
    mammasan wrote:
    Bump

    http://youtube.com/watch?v=bgnOrHMWw5M

    I heard this for the first time yesterday, there's some info at the end that may be of some help.
    I came, I saw, I concurred.....
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