Burma: Thousands dead in massacre of the monks dumped in the jungle

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  • 810wmb
    810wmb Posts: 849
    power baby...that's all
    i'm the meat, yer not...signed Capt Asshat
  • Jeanie
    Jeanie Posts: 9,446
    mammasan wrote:
    Well unfortunetly Jeanie Myanmar does have natural resources, that is why they are important to India and China. Hence why both nations will not do what is necessary to help bring about reform in that country.

    Sorry mamma, I gotta keep calling it Burma, just to shove it at the junta!
    Plus my Grandad fought there in WW2, so we've always known it as Burma.
    I can't see us budging China or India to be honest, I mean look at Tibet? They've been getting away with this shit for YEARS! Maybe we should be placing sanctions on China and India? I think that idea someone had about boycotting the Bejing Olympics was a good one. It would certainly send a message.
    NOPE!!!

    *~You're IT Bert!~*

    Hold on to the thread
    The currents will shift
  • mammasan
    mammasan Posts: 5,656
    Jeanie wrote:
    Sorry mamma, I gotta keep calling it Burma, just to shove it at the junta!
    Plus my Grandad fought there in WW2, so we've always known it as Burma.
    I can't see us budging China or India to be honest, I mean look at Tibet? They've been getting away with this shit for YEARS! Maybe we should be placing sanctions on China and India? I think that idea someone had about boycotting the Bejing Olympics was a good one. It would certainly send a message.

    I think a boycott of the Olympics is a great idea and you are also correct in assuming that we will not put any real pressure on China and India.

    Just like in Darfur and Rwanda, Burma is not that important to us (and many of our allies). We have no economic or military interest in that country so it is not worthy of a real effort in bringing about reform.
    "When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
  • soulsinging
    soulsinging Posts: 13,202
    810wmb wrote:
    soulsinging - to a degree you are correct......iraq was more about saddam breaking all the resolutions....

    but we can't please all...if we went everywhere this crap happens, we would be everywhere..but when we do, we are the shitty US imposing our will on the people.

    we are the shitty US imposing our will becos the situations we DO choose to get involved in are rather suspicious. we ignore burma and darfur becos they are poor and have nothing to offer us. we're all over iraq (10 years after the genocide) when we need the political capital and there's a potential profit to be made.
  • 810wmb
    810wmb Posts: 849
    goes back to gulf 1.....

    but hell, if yr gonna kill some folks, might as well make a few bucks, right?
    i'm the meat, yer not...signed Capt Asshat
  • soulsinging
    soulsinging Posts: 13,202
    810wmb wrote:
    goes back to gulf 1.....

    but hell, if yr gonna kill some folks, might as well make a few bucks, right?

    you're right... the iraqi genocide was TWENTY years ago. and if you ask me, the few bucks we made don't outweigh the cost. for a few multinationals to double profits, it has cost the US its credibility, all our political capital, the united support of the international community post-9/11, and the unified spirit of its own citizens. now the dollar is falling and china is looking more solid by the day. that's piss poor planning. and it's how china is able to foster this kind of shit in burma without us being able to lift a finger... cos we don't have enough international credibility to do a damn thing about it anymore.
  • LikeAnOpeningBandForTheSun
    LikeAnOpeningBandForTheSun Posts: 6,097
    guess that peaceful protest shit worked out well, eh?

    gotta fight back sometime
  • 810wmb
    810wmb Posts: 849
    soulsinging wrote:
    you're right... the iraqi genocide was TWENTY years ago. and if you ask me, the few bucks we made don't outweigh the cost. for a few multinationals to double profits, it has cost the US its credibility, all our political capital, the united support of the international community post-9/11, and the unified spirit of its own citizens. now the dollar is falling and china is looking more solid by the day. that's piss poor planning. and it's how china is able to foster this kind of shit in burma without us being able to lift a finger... cos we don't have enough international credibility to do a damn thing about it anymore.


    fucking support????????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    dude, who the fuck supports us? canada? hell no, we foot the freaking bill for the world, while they dog our asses...come on...

    as far as cred, we got it...why do you think the radical islam wants the dems to win? because they'll do their "let's talk" crap, while they are SWORN to kills us.
    i'm the meat, yer not...signed Capt Asshat
  • mammasan
    mammasan Posts: 5,656
    810wmb wrote:
    as far as cred, we got it...why do you think the radical islam wants the dems to win? because they'll do their "let's talk" crap, while they are SWORN to kills us.

    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. Holy Shit I just pissed myself from laughing so hard. Let me guess you believe they hate us because of our freedoms too right.
    "When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
  • soulsinging
    soulsinging Posts: 13,202
    810wmb wrote:
    fucking support????????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    dude, who the fuck supports us? canada? hell no, we foot the freaking bill for the world, while they dog our asses...come on...

    as far as cred, we got it...why do you think the radical islam wants the dems to win? because they'll do their "let's talk" crap, while they are SWORN to kills us.

    that's my point. NOBODY supports us now. before we went to iraq and after 9/11, EVERYONE supported us. everyone was on board with stopping terror and genocide. everyone backed us in afghanistan and was prepared to help us do more. then we decided to try to spin that into a middle east power grab in iraq, and it all disappeared. now we can't do a godamn thing about places like burma besides hold our dicks and watch, becos if we lift a finger now people say "they're just looking for another power play here."

    we had support. we blew it.
  • LikeAnOpeningBandForTheSun
    LikeAnOpeningBandForTheSun Posts: 6,097
    Everybody hates America until they want our help.
  • 810wmb
    810wmb Posts: 849
    everybody supported us because we didn't do shit, threw monwy at them. as soon as we take up for ourselves, poof

    mammasan - while you are drying yrself off....

    do you they JUST NOW started hating us? never heard them call us the "great satan"

    they do hate us because of our freedoms...

    but mostly, we've been around 200 years, we're more EVERYTHING than they are...they are still packing poop in a can to throw out behind the sandpile

    but more mostly - were a Christian nation....it's a damn holy war for them...you had better wake up

    history didn't start the day you were born
    i'm the meat, yer not...signed Capt Asshat
  • mammasan
    mammasan Posts: 5,656
    810wmb wrote:
    everybody supported us because we didn't do shit, threw monwy at them. as soon as we take up for ourselves, poof

    mammasan - while you are drying yrself off....

    do you they JUST NOW started hating us? never heard them call us the "great satan"

    they do hate us because of our freedoms...

    but mostly, we've been around 200 years, we're more EVERYTHING than they are...they are still packing poop in a can to throw out behind the sandpile

    but more mostly - were a Christian nation....it's a damn holy war for them...you had better wake up

    history didn't start the day you were born

    Maybe you need to take a look at history.

    They hate us because of our intervention in their affairs. Shah of Iran ring a bell. We have been meddling in Middle Eastern affairs since WW II. We support corrupt governments over there simply because they cater to our needs. We orchestrate coups to over-throw democratically elected governments to insert corrupt oppressive regimes that will cater to our demands. It has nothing to do with our religious beliefs or our freedoms. Our religious beliefs and the tenets of our democracy have been in place for over 200 years, why all of a sudden do they hate us. Why not hate us from the beginning. It is because for the first 150+ years we did not aggressively pursue a foreign policy of intervention. Since WW II we decided that we have the right to intervene whenever and where ever it is beneficial to us regardless of what the regions people or government has to say. It has nothing to do with the misguided belief that they want to destroy us because our women don't where burqas or because we are Christians.
    "When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
  • polaris
    polaris Posts: 3,527
    well ... at least we know why bush et al still get away with what they're doing ...
  • 810wmb
    810wmb Posts: 849
    my goodness..

    america sucks the big one.....have you ever ran for office?

    once again, while they are killing each other, we should do nothing, no wait, we need to go in and help these poor people....
    i'm the meat, yer not...signed Capt Asshat
  • even flow?
    even flow? Posts: 8,066
    To quote one of the other posters on here: This is what happens when the civilians don't have guns. :)
    You've changed your place in this world!
  • 810wmb
    810wmb Posts: 849
    and the freedom to post without fear of getting yr hands cut off
    i'm the meat, yer not...signed Capt Asshat
  • mammasan
    mammasan Posts: 5,656
    810wmb wrote:
    my goodness..

    america sucks the big one.....have you ever ran for office?

    once again, while they are killing each other, we should do nothing, no wait, we need to go in and help these poor people....

    Just because I disagree with our foreigbn policy doesn't equate to me thinking this country sucks the big one. That's the problem with you uber-patriots. It's all black and white to you. You either support this country's actions 100% or you are a traitor. There is no middle ground. That's not patriotism though. That is nationalism and we all saw how well that worked out in Germany during the 1930's and 40's.

    The truest form of patriotism is one who is able to see the flaws within his own country/government and strives to correct them. This country was founded on certain ideals and principles and, in my opinion, we have strayed from them. We have become the same entity that the founding fathers fought so hard to free themselves from. Now you may be fine with that, but I am not.
    "When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
  • 810wmb
    810wmb Posts: 849
    who said i support this country's actions 100%?

    you don't know me...

    I'M SUPER UBER-PATRIOT!!!!!!!!!
    i'm the meat, yer not...signed Capt Asshat
  • mammasan
    mammasan Posts: 5,656
    810wmb wrote:
    who said i support this country's actions 100%?

    you don't know me...

    I'M SUPER UBER-PATRIOT!!!!!!!!!

    You posts tell me enough about you to make an educated guess.
    "When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul

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