Burma: Thousands dead in massacre of the monks dumped in the jungle

mammasanmammasan Posts: 5,656
edited October 2007 in A Moving Train
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/worldnews.html?in_article_id=484903

Though it is difficult to confirm, it seems that there are far more deaths then reported by the Myanmar government. It's time that the leading countries in this world start putting pressure on China and India to stop their finacial and military support of this murderous regime.
"When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
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  • jlew24asujlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    holy fuck, thousands?????????
  • mammasanmammasan Posts: 5,656
    jlew24asu wrote:
    holy fuck, thousands?????????

    I was reading an article over the weekend where satalite images show that entire villages have been wiped out. One minute they where there the next they where gone. Troops are busting into monastaries in the dead of night and rounding up the monks and hauling them off, by the hundreds. This is panning out to be worse than the 1988 uprisings.
    "When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
  • mammasanmammasan Posts: 5,656
    "When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
  • jlew24asujlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    mammasan wrote:
    I was reading an article over the weekend where satalite images show that entire villages have been wiped out. One minute they where there the next they where gone. Troops are busting into monastaries in the dead of night and rounding up the monks and hauling them off, by the hundreds. This is panning out to be worse than the 1988 uprisings.

    wow this is amazing. sounds like genocide to me. what a fucked up world we live in.
  • mammasanmammasan Posts: 5,656
    Here is a link to the story about the razed villages and relocations being carried out by the Myanmar government.

    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21032458/
    "When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
  • 810wmb810wmb Posts: 849
    but when saddam did this crap it was ok, right?
    i'm the meat, yer not...signed Capt Asshat
  • flywallyflyflywallyfly Posts: 1,453
    810wmb wrote:
    but when saddam did this crap it was ok, right?

    It was OK until we decided the oil he sits on needed a U.S. babysitter.
  • mammasanmammasan Posts: 5,656
    810wmb wrote:
    but when saddam did this crap it was ok, right?

    It's never OK when an oppressive regime kills it's own citizens for simply wanted the right to live in a free society.

    Also this thread is about the tragedy that is unfolding in Burma, not the War in Iraq. If you want to discuss that start your own thread. This is a serious issue and I really don't want people hijacking a thread that is here to inform and turning it into a juvenile pissing match.
    "When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
  • even flow?even flow? Posts: 8,066
    810wmb wrote:
    but when saddam did this crap it was ok, right?


    :)
    You've changed your place in this world!
  • 810wmb810wmb Posts: 849
    not a pissing match, it's the same thing, different place...

    i'll take my piss to another thread
    i'm the meat, yer not...signed Capt Asshat
  • mammasanmammasan Posts: 5,656
    810wmb wrote:
    not a pissing match, it's the same thing, different place...

    i'll take my piss to another thread

    So then if it the samething, different place why is our government content with just leveling some more sanctions instead of "Liberating" the people of that country. Why is our government content with letting China, South Korea, India, and Thailand continue there unwavering support of the military junta in Myanmar.
    "When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
  • even flow?even flow? Posts: 8,066
    Here is a nice little piece from one of the guys I like to read:

    http://www.torontosun.com/News/Columnists/Margolis_Eric/2007/09/30/4537856-sun.php
    You've changed your place in this world!
  • soulsingingsoulsinging Posts: 13,202
    810wmb wrote:
    not a pissing match, it's the same thing, different place...

    i'll take my piss to another thread

    we didn't lift a finger to help those people either though. we went to iraq 10 years later and it had nothing to do with genocide.
  • flywallyflyflywallyfly Posts: 1,453
    mammasan wrote:
    So then if it the samething, different place why is our government content with just leveling some more sanctions instead of "Liberating" the people of that country. Why is our government content with letting China, South Korea, India, and Thailand continue there unwavering support of the military junta in Myanmar.

    Thank you.
  • 810wmb810wmb Posts: 849
    soulsinging - to a degree you are correct......iraq was more about saddam breaking all the resolutions....

    but we can't please all...if we went everywhere this crap happens, we would be everywhere..but when we do, we are the shitty US imposing our will on the people.
    i'm the meat, yer not...signed Capt Asshat
  • JeanieJeanie Posts: 9,446
    mammasan wrote:
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/worldnews.html?in_article_id=484903

    Though it is difficult to confirm, it seems that there are far more deaths then reported by the Myanmar government. It's time that the leading countries in this world start putting pressure on China and India to stop their finacial and military support of this murderous regime.

    oh! :mad: :(

    When I read about them rounding up the monks over the weekend I was terrified this would be the outcome. This just makes me sick to my stomach.
    We have to put pressure on our own governments to pressure China and India. But I fear this will turn out just like Darfur and countless other places where people are murdered by their government. We need someone to come forward and tell us that Burma is rich in some natural resource that these other countries want. I hate to say it but I think that's the only way this will be stopped.
    NOPE!!!

    *~You're IT Bert!~*

    Hold on to the thread
    The currents will shift
  • mammasanmammasan Posts: 5,656
    810wmb wrote:
    soulsinging - to a degree you are correct......iraq was more about saddam breaking all the resolutions....

    but we can't please all...if we went everywhere this crap happens, we would be everywhere..but when we do, we are the shitty US imposing our will on the people.

    We should never invade a country just to bring democracy. Democracy is not something that can be implemented by force.
    "When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
  • mammasanmammasan Posts: 5,656
    Jeanie wrote:
    oh! :mad: :(

    When I read about them rounding up the monks over the weekend I was terrified this would be the outcome. This just makes me sick to my stomach.
    We have to put pressure on our own governments to pressure China and India. But I fear this will turn out just like Darfur and countless other places where people are murdered by their government. We need someone to come forward and tell us that Burma is rich in some natural resource that these other countries want. I hate to say it but I think that's the only way this will be stopped.

    Well unfortunetly Jeanie Myanmar does have natural resources, that is why they are important to India and China. Hence why both nations will not do what is necessary to help bring about reform in that country.
    "When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
  • polarispolaris Posts: 3,527
    frig ... wtf is with china?? ... i mean i can understand not ceding taiwan up but in places like tibet ... just let them monks self-rule there ... it's not like they are gonna do shit ...
  • 810wmb810wmb Posts: 849
    power baby...that's all
    i'm the meat, yer not...signed Capt Asshat
  • JeanieJeanie Posts: 9,446
    mammasan wrote:
    Well unfortunetly Jeanie Myanmar does have natural resources, that is why they are important to India and China. Hence why both nations will not do what is necessary to help bring about reform in that country.

    Sorry mamma, I gotta keep calling it Burma, just to shove it at the junta!
    Plus my Grandad fought there in WW2, so we've always known it as Burma.
    I can't see us budging China or India to be honest, I mean look at Tibet? They've been getting away with this shit for YEARS! Maybe we should be placing sanctions on China and India? I think that idea someone had about boycotting the Bejing Olympics was a good one. It would certainly send a message.
    NOPE!!!

    *~You're IT Bert!~*

    Hold on to the thread
    The currents will shift
  • mammasanmammasan Posts: 5,656
    Jeanie wrote:
    Sorry mamma, I gotta keep calling it Burma, just to shove it at the junta!
    Plus my Grandad fought there in WW2, so we've always known it as Burma.
    I can't see us budging China or India to be honest, I mean look at Tibet? They've been getting away with this shit for YEARS! Maybe we should be placing sanctions on China and India? I think that idea someone had about boycotting the Bejing Olympics was a good one. It would certainly send a message.

    I think a boycott of the Olympics is a great idea and you are also correct in assuming that we will not put any real pressure on China and India.

    Just like in Darfur and Rwanda, Burma is not that important to us (and many of our allies). We have no economic or military interest in that country so it is not worthy of a real effort in bringing about reform.
    "When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
  • soulsingingsoulsinging Posts: 13,202
    810wmb wrote:
    soulsinging - to a degree you are correct......iraq was more about saddam breaking all the resolutions....

    but we can't please all...if we went everywhere this crap happens, we would be everywhere..but when we do, we are the shitty US imposing our will on the people.

    we are the shitty US imposing our will becos the situations we DO choose to get involved in are rather suspicious. we ignore burma and darfur becos they are poor and have nothing to offer us. we're all over iraq (10 years after the genocide) when we need the political capital and there's a potential profit to be made.
  • 810wmb810wmb Posts: 849
    goes back to gulf 1.....

    but hell, if yr gonna kill some folks, might as well make a few bucks, right?
    i'm the meat, yer not...signed Capt Asshat
  • soulsingingsoulsinging Posts: 13,202
    810wmb wrote:
    goes back to gulf 1.....

    but hell, if yr gonna kill some folks, might as well make a few bucks, right?

    you're right... the iraqi genocide was TWENTY years ago. and if you ask me, the few bucks we made don't outweigh the cost. for a few multinationals to double profits, it has cost the US its credibility, all our political capital, the united support of the international community post-9/11, and the unified spirit of its own citizens. now the dollar is falling and china is looking more solid by the day. that's piss poor planning. and it's how china is able to foster this kind of shit in burma without us being able to lift a finger... cos we don't have enough international credibility to do a damn thing about it anymore.
  • guess that peaceful protest shit worked out well, eh?

    gotta fight back sometime
  • 810wmb810wmb Posts: 849
    you're right... the iraqi genocide was TWENTY years ago. and if you ask me, the few bucks we made don't outweigh the cost. for a few multinationals to double profits, it has cost the US its credibility, all our political capital, the united support of the international community post-9/11, and the unified spirit of its own citizens. now the dollar is falling and china is looking more solid by the day. that's piss poor planning. and it's how china is able to foster this kind of shit in burma without us being able to lift a finger... cos we don't have enough international credibility to do a damn thing about it anymore.


    fucking support????????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    dude, who the fuck supports us? canada? hell no, we foot the freaking bill for the world, while they dog our asses...come on...

    as far as cred, we got it...why do you think the radical islam wants the dems to win? because they'll do their "let's talk" crap, while they are SWORN to kills us.
    i'm the meat, yer not...signed Capt Asshat
  • mammasanmammasan Posts: 5,656
    810wmb wrote:
    as far as cred, we got it...why do you think the radical islam wants the dems to win? because they'll do their "let's talk" crap, while they are SWORN to kills us.

    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. Holy Shit I just pissed myself from laughing so hard. Let me guess you believe they hate us because of our freedoms too right.
    "When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
  • soulsingingsoulsinging Posts: 13,202
    810wmb wrote:
    fucking support????????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    dude, who the fuck supports us? canada? hell no, we foot the freaking bill for the world, while they dog our asses...come on...

    as far as cred, we got it...why do you think the radical islam wants the dems to win? because they'll do their "let's talk" crap, while they are SWORN to kills us.

    that's my point. NOBODY supports us now. before we went to iraq and after 9/11, EVERYONE supported us. everyone was on board with stopping terror and genocide. everyone backed us in afghanistan and was prepared to help us do more. then we decided to try to spin that into a middle east power grab in iraq, and it all disappeared. now we can't do a godamn thing about places like burma besides hold our dicks and watch, becos if we lift a finger now people say "they're just looking for another power play here."

    we had support. we blew it.
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