Rant

floyd1975

the face wrote:

cmon man, can i get an exception from you on this guy at least. he wants to read mein kampf dude.....

I would read that book and I have been accused of blindly supporting the "zionist murderers" by some on this board. There's nothing wrong with checking out a book.

hippiemom

the face wrote:

cmon man, can i get an exception from you on this guy at least. he wants to read mein kampf dude.....

I've read Mein Kampf. I've also read Plato's Republic, Mao's Little Red Book, The Communist Manifesto, Locke's Two Treatises, Machiavelli's The Prince, and heaven only knows what else. You have something against knowledge?

Mein Kampf is rubbish, by the way .... but I wouldn't know that if I hadn't read it, now would I?

cincybearcat

I would love to see everyone's reaction if this thread was about racism...blacks versus whites, etc....

I think mammasan makes a good point. It becomes useless to discuss the issues when people start throwing around anti-semite, racist, etc where it doesn't necessarily exist.

cincybearcat

hippiemom wrote:

I've read Mein Kampf. I've also read Plato's Republic, Mao's Little Red Book, The Communist Manifesto, Locke's Two Treatises, Machiavelli's The Prince, and heaven only knows what else. You have something against knowledge?

Mein Kampf is rubbish, by the way .... but I wouldn't know that if I hadn't read it, now would I?

Yep, all those books stink. In fact most books stink. Reading only ruins the mind. It doesn't open it, it leads you down someone else's path.

only 2 books worth reading....

Green Eggs and Ham
&
The Catcher in the Rye

Stop after those and start thinking for yourself.


FYI, I'm partly joking.

surferdude

cincybearcat wrote:

only 2 books worth reading....

Green Eggs and Ham
&
The Catcher in the Rye

Stop after those and start thinking for yourself.

I myself am partial to the barmix guide. And I've gotten a lot of mileage out of the book on erotic massages I have.

hippiemom

cincybearcat wrote:

Yep, all those books stink. In fact most books stink. Reading only ruins the mind. It doesn't open it, it leads you down someone else's path.

only 2 books worth reading....

Green Eggs and Ham
&
The Catcher in the Rye

Stop after those and start thinking for yourself.


FYI, I'm partly joking.

I'm going to assume that Green Eggs and Ham and The Catcher in the Rye were the parts you weren't joking about, because I certainly agree with you there! In fact, I'd go a step further and say that everyone should read the entire collected works of Dr. Seuss

hippiemom

surferdude wrote:

I myself am partial to the barmix guide. And I've gotten a lot of mileage out of the book on erotic massages I have.

Another pair of classics!

angelica

hippiemom wrote:

I'm going to assume that Green Eggs and Ham and The Catcher in the Rye were the parts you weren't joking about, because I certainly agree with you there! In fact, I'd go a step further and say that everyone should read the entire collected works of Dr. Seuss

I agree! Especially "There's a Wocket in my Pocket"!!!

surferdude

angelica wrote:

I agree! Especially "There's a Wocket in my Pocket"!!!

Please, stop being funny. I'm have deadlines to meet at work.

cincybearcat

surferdude wrote:

I myself am partial to the barmix guide. And I've gotten a lot of mileage out of the book on erotic massages I have.

Yeah, but you can learn those things by doing...without the book.

Where else can you learn all the places you can eat green eggs and ham? now that is dropping some knowledge.

Anyhow...back to the thread...all name calling does is bring the discussion of the issue and make it a personal matter between the name caller and the name callee...we all do it from time to time, but in regards to anti-semites and racists it has a very detrimental effect to the discussion at hand. And with how quick people are to pull out one of those names, it's no wonder the world is such a difficult place to compromise in, huh?

even flow?

Apartheid in the Holy Land
by Desmond Tutu
December 20, 2006

In our struggle against apartheid, the great supporters were Jewish people. They almost instinctively had to be on the side of the disenfranchised, of the voiceless ones, fighting injustice, oppression and evil. I have continued to feel strongly with the Jews. I am patron of a Holocaust centre in South Africa. I believe Israel has a right to secure borders.

What is not so understandable, not justified, is what it did to another people to guarantee its existence. I've been very deeply distressed in my visit to the Holy Land; it reminded me so much of what happened to us black people in South Africa. I have seen the humiliation of the Palestinians at checkpoints and roadblocks, suffering like us when young white police officers prevented us from moving about.

On one of my visits to the Holy Land I drove to a church with the Anglican bishop in Jerusalem. I could hear tears in his voice as he pointed to Jewish settlements. I thought of the desire of Israelis for security. But what of the Palestinians who have lost their land and homes?

I have experienced Palestinians pointing to what were their homes, now occupied by Jewish Israelis. I was walking with Canon Naim Ateek (the head of the Sabeel Ecumenical Centre) in Jerusalem. He pointed and said: "Our home was over there. We were driven out of our home; it is now occupied by Israeli Jews."

My heart aches. I say why are our memories so short. Have our Jewish sisters and brothers forgotten their humiliation? Have they forgotten the collective punishment, the home demolitions, in their own history so soon? Have they turned their backs on their profound and noble religious traditions? Have they forgotten that God cares deeply about the downtrodden?

Israel will never get true security and safety through oppressing another people. A true peace can ultimately be built only on justice. We condemn the violence of suicide bombers, and we condemn the corruption of young minds taught hatred; but we also condemn the violence of military incursions in the occupied lands, and the inhumanity that won't let ambulances reach the injured.

The military action of recent days, I predict with certainty, will not provide the security and peace Israelis want; it will only intensify the hatred.

Israel has three options: revert to the previous stalemated situation; exterminate all Palestinians; or -- I hope -- to strive for peace based on justice, based on withdrawal from all the occupied territories, and the establishment of a viable Palestinian state on those territories side by side with Israel, both with secure borders.

We in South Africa had a relatively peaceful transition. If our madness could end as it did, it must be possible to do the same everywhere else in the world. If peace could come to South Africa, surely it can come to the Holy Land?

My brother Naim Ateek has said what we used to say: "I am not pro- this people or that. I am pro-justice, pro-freedom. I am anti-injustice, anti-oppression."

But you know as well as I do that, somehow, the Israeli government is placed on a pedestal [in the US], and to criticise it is to be immediately dubbed anti-semitic, as if the Palestinians were not semitic. I am not even anti-white, despite the madness of that group. And how did it come about that Israel was collaborating with the apartheid government on security measures?

People are scared in this country [the US], to say wrong is wrong because the Jewish lobby is powerful -- very powerful. Well, so what? For goodness sake, this is God's world! We live in a moral universe. The apartheid government was very powerful, but today it no longer exists. Hitler, Mussolini, Stalin, Pinochet, Milosevic, and Idi Amin were all powerful, but in the end they bit the dust.

Injustice and oppression will never prevail. Those who are powerful have to remember the litmus test that God gives to the powerful: what is your treatment of the poor, the hungry, the voiceless? And on the basis of that, God passes judgment.

We should put out a clarion call to the government of the people of Israel, to the Palestinian people and say: peace is possible, peace based on justice is possible. We will do all we can to assist you to achieve this peace, because it is God's dream, and you will be able to live amicably together as sisters and brothers.


Desmond Tutu is the former Archbishop of Cape Town and chairman of South Africa's truth and reconciliation commission. This address was given at a conference on Ending the Occupation held in Boston, Massachusetts, earlier this month. A longer version appears in the current edition of Church Times.

inmytree

hailhailkc wrote:

That's a fair statement, as long as you agree that there are some people on this board who constantly enjoy making the Palestenians their "victim".

I do......

dayan

Ahnimus wrote:

Don't the Rothschilds control European finance?

no. they don't.

dayan

Byrnzie wrote:

On the Train? Not on the mainstream news though? '...there were constantly interviews with very eloquent Lebanese officials who were extremely critical of Israel.'? Really? And where were these?
I live in England and the news media is blatantly biased in favour of Israel. It's so obvious that the issue is raised here again and again in chatrooms and 'have your say' sections of the media, and yet nothing changes.

During the summer I watched cnn world, and the bbc and skynews and saw coverage that showed both the Lebanese perspective and the Israeli perspective. Over all I thought the journalism did its best to be professional. all of the above statements are major networks that air in England. And are you really going to tell me that the Guardian isn't critical of Israel. People who are critical of Israel might be upset that the media isn't as critical as they are, but that doesn't mean that the media silences criticism.