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mammasan
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I'm starting to get a bit sick and tired at the labeling that is occuring on this message board. Racism is not something that should be taken lightly nor should that label be through around lightly. Not all of us are going to agree on this board and that is the beauty of it. If we all had the same opinion none of would be able to learn from each other. Anti-semtism is a term that I have seen pop up more and more frequently on this board. We all have different opinions and levels of support for Israel. Some of us fully support Israel and it's actions, other stand in the middle, and others still are completely against many of Israels actions. This is especially true in regards to the Israel/Palestinian situation. We don't see eye to eye, but lately that has been reason to label someone an anti-semite. That term carries such a vile and disturbing meaning, as it should, much like most racist labels. I don't know of anyone on this board that would fit the description of an anti-semite. Do some people here disagree with Israeli policy? Yes. Do some here disagree with the manner in which the state of Israel was created? Yes. No one here, that I have seen, wishes ill will on Israelies or Jews or thinks that Jews should not have a land of their own and the ability to live a peacefull life. I view it as me labeling people who support to deportation of all illegal immigrants racist simply because most are hispanic. That would be a diplorable act by me to label someone something so vile simply because I don't agree with. I'm sure I will get an ear full or maybe even called an anti-semite for this but I just had to get it off my chest.
"When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
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It would seem that some cannot understand that most will be speaking against policies and government and not against people as such (ie Israel as the state vs a particular person as a jew). Things are taken way too personally and personal attacks are becoming the norm.
Regardless of the reason why they are using the term, it is still dispicable to label someone that term who doesn't deserve it. I hate to use this line, but I have many Jewish friends.One of my dearest and closest friends is Jewish. I love him like a brother. If it where not for his religion (my church does not allow non-christians to be godparents) he would have been the godfather of my first born. I have had many of the same discussion with him that we have here and never once has he called me or thought of me as an anti-semite. He realizes that my gripe is against the Israeli government and has nothing to do with the Jewish people. You are also correct about the personal attacks. Way to many people here resort to personal attacks instead of debating the issue. Like I said we are not all going to agree on here but that is no reason to verbally attack someone.
Your point is taken. I am not Israeli, but did notice a tendency of a few people on this board to vent in a rather unnatural way against Israel. One cat even called Martin Luther King a bigot. That's a quote. I won't repeat myself here, but I put an argument out there why some people equate Anti - Semitism to Anti - Israel bashing. It is a fine line. So if you are going to approach that line, you should know what you are talking about. And for the record I don't think your an anti-semite at all. You actually seem a little more informed than some of your pals on this thread. But when you see that someone has started 20 or more anti israel threads with hundreds of anti israel posts it sure appears to be more than just an issue with the State of Israel.....
Haha, dude, you called miller an anti-semite and he's usually the one slapping that label on people. haha.
It's exhibit A. I never called Miller or anyone else an anti-semite. stupid. yes. moronic. yes. Which one did I call you? Ah Salam Alekem my brother.
Pretty much you did.
Uh, no. That doesn't seem right.
I liked your first post better.
There is nothing wrong with my English.
Yea, but dude, those statements are in some way true. So it's not really anti-semitic. Saying Hitler was reacting to the monetary control of Europe, in no way implies that all Jews are anything. It's a type of rational where a person can see the motivation for what Hitler did. This does not mean that Hitler was justified.
http://groups.msn.com/PearlJamNirvana/messages.msnw
I was like lmao, but later realized that it really wasn't that funny. A jewish friend of mine was like dude you should've reported him to the dean.
http://forums.pearljam.com/showthread.php?t=272825
Haha, the ADL. Personally, I find the ADL to be very offensive sometimes.
Yea but, in some ways that's true. The jewish lobbyists are the largest in the United States and the ADL makes sure no criticism of Israel gets aired. Certainly not on FOX anyway. If we could agree on a term to use for individuals that control media, or money, then we could call them that. But as it stands, they are referred to as Jews. Which isn't to my liking.
My biggest problem is that, trying to limit what people say, to the extent they will not even talk about Jews or use the term.
ok first, these statements are pretty clearly factually false to any observer not pre-disposed to paranoid delusion. There are many Jews involved in finance who have done quite well. That is true. It is not true to say that they control the financial system, any more than it is to say that wasps control the financial system because there are alot of rich wasps. When you start saying that the Jews control finance you have crossed the line. you are dealing in paranoid fantasy. And you're right that saying that Jews control European finance isn't the same as saying Jews are an inferior race, but that doesn't mean that it is any less anti-semitic. such statements still inspire hatred and fear of Jews by portraying them as the devious and secretive masters pulling the strings behind the scenes. And I don't think there is anything wrong with trying to understand what led Hitler to do what he did, except there is a difference between saying that Hitler believed that Jews controlled European finance and saying that Jews actually did control European finance.
Again though this simply isn't true. There are influental Jews in media. But Jews do not control the media. There are just as many non-Jews, probably more, involved in media with just as much influence. And as for criticism of Israel not making it into the news, I simply don't know how you can say this. On the train right now are links to interviews run on major news networks with David Duke and an anti-zionist rabbi. During the war between Israel and Lebanon this summer there were constantly interviews with very eloquent Lebanese officials who were extremely critical of Israel. I think generally most news outlets do their best to present both sides of an issue, so I don't see how you can say that the media silences criticism of Israel.
Don't the Rothschilds control European finance?
its the same age old jewish conspiracy crap that gave rise to the nazis. same shit. i would be shocked if anusmouth doesn't have mein kampf as his favorite book of the month.
I'm not obsessed. I'm just trying to converse about the topic at hand.
I've never read it, but I've been meaning to. I think most people on this board realize by now that I have an interest in psychology and I'm curious what Hitler wrote in Mein Kampf. It would be a good way to get insight into his mind and his motives. Though, I'm pretty sure I'm on the right track anyway.
So, just so you know, this is my interest. I understand you are "new" and trying to make a good impression, so I will give you the benefit of the doubt.
Nope, that's curious.
I'm curious about you "the face".
Have you ever thought about having sex with your mother?
What is your favorite color?
Mmmhmm
Ok, and were you ever abused as a child?
I see. mmmhmm
Ok, well, I think I understand. Take 2 of these every day and call me in a week.
Some of my friends are semites. Why would I say that?