It's a shame when a thread that could have spurred an interesting discussion of a serious topic degenerates into name-calling bullshit and arguments over irrelevant issues.
Thanks a lot, macgyver.
"Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity." ~ MLK, 1963
It's a shame when a thread that could have spurred an interesting discussion of a serious topic degenerates into name-calling bullshit and arguments over irrelevant issues.
Thanks a lot, macgyver.
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FOREVER MISINFORMED!! and loving it!!
lets not actually try and figure out why its ok to get shot by an 18 yr old but not a 12 yr old
is it the AK47 that is being used or modifications..or AK47 Siblings....there's no way the AK47 is being used and in production, these have to be different guns
Why do you think that the AK-47 is not still in production..........it is the most successful firearm ever created in terms of numbers produced. It is designed to be cheap (a major factor in 3rd world countries), easy to operate (see previous comment), have an extremely field life (see previous comment) and rugged (see previous comment again). Nearly every former Soviet client state has produced their own version in their home country....this includes the former Yugoslavia, Albania and now the former Soviet republics.
Every weapon produced as probably had some field modifications done to it at some point.
Nope..........these are the same weapon.........the AK-47.
All the world will be your enemy, Prince with a thousand enemies, and whenever they catch you, they will kill you. But first they must catch you, digger, listener, runner, prince with the swift warning. Be cunning and full of tricks and your people shall never be destroyed.
lets not actually try and figure out why its ok to get shot by an 18 yr old but not a 12 yr old
I was referring to you being on the losing side of a 4-page argument about AK47s (they are still being produced, and are probably the most widely-used weapon in the world), and resorting to name-calling rather than citing facts and sources. If your goal is to inform people, you're doing a piss-poor job of it ... you've provided no information whatsoever.
"Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity." ~ MLK, 1963
Why do you think that the AK-47 is not still in production..........it is the most successful firearm ever created in terms of numbers produced. It is designed to be cheap (a major factor in 3rd world countries), easy to operate (see previous comment), have an extremely field life (see previous comment) and rugged (see previous comment again). Nearly every former Soviet client state has produced their own version in their home country....this includes the former Yugoslavia, Albania and now the former Soviet republics.
Every weapon produced as probably had some field modifications done to it at some point.
Nope..........these are the same weapon.........the AK-47.
I was referring to you being on the losing side of a 4-page argument about AK47s (they are still being produced, and are probably the most widely-used weapon in the world), and resorting to name-calling rather than citing facts and sources. If your goal is to inform people, you're doing a piss-poor job of it ... you've provided no information whatsoever.
you have the disease to huh?? im not trying to win an argument. i never said they are not being produced...but they are phasing them out
Not sure.......it is possible that they give a different name, but the weapon is still an AK-47.
These things are so cheap and so prevalent that I could have purchased one (illegally) off the street in Birmingham, Alabama for right around $100 in 1990.
All the world will be your enemy, Prince with a thousand enemies, and whenever they catch you, they will kill you. But first they must catch you, digger, listener, runner, prince with the swift warning. Be cunning and full of tricks and your people shall never be destroyed.
you have the disease to huh?? im not trying to win an argument. i never said they are not being produced...but they are phasing them out
The Russians maybe...........and possibly the Chinese, but I suspect that the North Koreans aren't investing in small arms design. The fact that there were billions of these weapons produced over the decades means that they aren't going away anytime soon.
All the world will be your enemy, Prince with a thousand enemies, and whenever they catch you, they will kill you. But first they must catch you, digger, listener, runner, prince with the swift warning. Be cunning and full of tricks and your people shall never be destroyed.
Not sure.......it is possible that they give a different name, but the weapon is still an AK-47.
These things are so cheap and so prevalent that I could have purchased one (illegally) off the street in Birmingham, Alabama for right around $100 in 1990.
i dont understand though...if its not an actual gas powered AK47 how can they call it an AK47..are they all gas powered?
The Russians maybe...........and possibly the Chinese, but I suspect that the North Koreans aren't investing in small arms design. The fact that there were billions of these weapons produced over the decades means that they aren't going away anytime soon.
theres no way in hell you could get me behind a gas powered fire maker..lol
i dont understand though...if its not an actual gas powered AK47 how can they call it an AK47..are they all gas powered?
They are all the same basic design created in the 1940s. It's just like car designs shared by manufacturers such as the Ford Escape SUV and whatever the Mazda version was called. There were a few cosmetic differences, but at the heart of the design they were the exact same vehicle.
All the world will be your enemy, Prince with a thousand enemies, and whenever they catch you, they will kill you. But first they must catch you, digger, listener, runner, prince with the swift warning. Be cunning and full of tricks and your people shall never be destroyed.
theres no way in hell you could get me behind a gas powered fire maker..lol
You're not fighting a war on the cheap then...........are you?
All the world will be your enemy, Prince with a thousand enemies, and whenever they catch you, they will kill you. But first they must catch you, digger, listener, runner, prince with the swift warning. Be cunning and full of tricks and your people shall never be destroyed.
They are all the same basic design created in the 1940s. It's just like car designs shared by manufacturers such as the Ford Escape SUV and whatever the Mazda version was called. There were a few cosmetic differences, but at the heart of the design they were the exact same vehicle.
lol..Dodge Aries/Plymouth Reliant both INDESTRUCTIBLE!
you have the disease to huh?? im not trying to win an argument. i never said they are not being produced...but they are phasing them out
You said that they are "not a contender in any wars going on right now," which is ridiculous.
Anyway, I'm through with this thread ... 5 pages now, and you've still not provided even one little snippet of information, or even a coherent opinion.
"Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity." ~ MLK, 1963
You said that they are "not a contender in any wars going on right now," which is ridiculous.
Anyway, I'm through with this thread ... 5 pages now, and you've still not provided even one little snippet of information, or even a coherent opinion.
compared to the rifles out there...the rifles we use..and explosives...i dont think the AK47 stands a chance against them... THAT IS NOT RIDICULOUS!
The Ak is unreliable..it gets hot to the point you cant pick it up becasue its gas powered...its not very accurate...its dangerous to! these things explode in your hand in sustained fire..
but its bullets are the size of your mom..thats the only advantage which isnt anything nowadays..
I would feel as ill knowing my sons - now 18 were at war - as I would have if they were 12...
wouldnt you be more confident in knowing your 18 year old was out there then 12? the mental and physical matureness is 10 fold. not in all cases, but most.
The Ak is unreliable..it gets hot to the point you cant pick it up becasue its gas powered...its not very accurate...its dangerous to! these things explode in your hand in sustained fire..
but its bullets are the size of your mom..thats the only advantage which isnt anything nowadays..
you really are an expert on this issue. you seriously should consider being a consultant for rogue states and army militias
The Ak is unreliable..it gets hot to the point you cant pick it up becasue its gas powered...its not very accurate...its dangerous to! these things explode in your hand in sustained fire..
but its bullets are the size of your mom..thats the only advantage which isnt anything nowadays..
Cheap, my man, cheap.............that is the main advantage. Cheap to buy, cheap to maintain and the parts are cheap. The availability is also an important factor.
Danger is an accepted factor in war.
All the world will be your enemy, Prince with a thousand enemies, and whenever they catch you, they will kill you. But first they must catch you, digger, listener, runner, prince with the swift warning. Be cunning and full of tricks and your people shall never be destroyed.
and just as tragic for a 25, 35, 45 year old. thats not the point. no one is claiming its less/more tragic.
again, how about a 31 year old?
wouldnt you be more confident in knowing your 18 year old was out there then 12? the mental and physical matureness is 10 fold. not in all cases, but most.
forced to let others look out for you? what the hell does that mean? 18 year old can look out for themselves MUCH better then 12. that is a fact.
Well, if they both die.. the 18 year old would have expeience much more dread than the 12 year old..
comparing them is useless.... War sucks - for everyone.
lets not actually try and figure out why its ok to get shot by an 18 yr old but not a 12 yr old
It's never ok to be shot by anyone, but there is a difference between an adult, because that's what 18 year olds are, voluteering to join an army and a 12 year old being kidnapped and being forced to be in an army. Now if you are to fucking stupid to tell the difference then there is no use in trying to have an intelligent conversation with you. I didn't start this thread so simplistic morons like you could come on here and turn this into another US bash-fest. This problem supercedes nations and political parties, but thank you for dragging a serious issue into the gutter.
"When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
yea I agree. fact still remains that there is a big difference in sending between 12 and 18 year olds.
no there isnt! in fact it makes more sense to send 12 year olds in war really..you can probaly train them faster as far as getting them ready to be trained killers.
this is based that they are vulnerable and that teaching them war could in fact be....all that they know.
jlew..it is war. I hope these tactics aren't new to you...and if its shocking to see a 12 year old soldier well than how crazy would it be to have a 14 yr old king...or queen...
NOT THAT CRAZY when talking about something thats crazy to begin with.
no there isnt! in fact it makes more sense to send 12 year olds in war really..you can probaly train them faster as far as getting them ready to be trained killers.
this is based that they are vulnerable and that teaching them war could in fact be....all that they know.
jlew..it is war. I hope these tactics aren't new to you...and if its shocking to see a 12 year old soldier well than how crazy would it be to have a 14 yr old king...or queen...
NOT THAT CRAZY when talking about something thats crazy to begin with.
He actually has a point with this argument......our distaste for 12 year old soldiers is a cultural bias. We also think that arranged marriages and 12 &13 year olds getting married and making babies is a bad thing. Those are not universal standards nor is an agreed upon age of conscription. These are dirty little wars...........and in dirty little wars, many of our western morals get tossed out the window (if the western moral values were even there in the first place.).
All the world will be your enemy, Prince with a thousand enemies, and whenever they catch you, they will kill you. But first they must catch you, digger, listener, runner, prince with the swift warning. Be cunning and full of tricks and your people shall never be destroyed.
It's never ok to be shot by anyone, but there is a difference between an adult, because that's what 18 year olds are, voluteering to join an army and a 12 year old being kidnapped and being forced to be in an army. Now if you are to fucking stupid to tell the difference then there is no use in trying to have an intelligent conversation with you. I didn't start this thread so simplistic morons like you could come on here and turn this into another US bash-fest. This problem supercedes nations and political parties, but thank you for dragging a serious issue into the gutter.
holy cow! who is bashing the U.S.??
the first post i made..i just wanted to get across...that you really shouldnt be shocked by this...of course it is wrong..but when you are born into a situation i think thats hostile and poor from day one and your told how people have it better than you..
theres something more here..i cant really put into words...but warlords/generals of any nation that are fixated on war and destruction use whatever means necessaary to win battles...unfortunately these weapons come witha childs face.. its war and they are all crazy...not just warlords..
don't neglect our craziness in thinking its ok what we are doing...thats all im saying...no one is right..and i hate seeing articles like this because it sidetracks peoples minds i believe...
war is evil. its chapters and weapons of any kind are within the term WAR.
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Thanks a lot, macgyver.
hehe add another one to the list!
FOREVER MISINFORMED!! and loving it!!
lets not actually try and figure out why its ok to get shot by an 18 yr old but not a 12 yr old
When it comes to war... they all are lost and all bleed the same... Its as tragic for an 18 year old as for a 12 year old...
sure it sucks - and it seems insane to see a 12 year old with a gun.. its the same to me with 18 year olds...
I would feel as ill knowing my sons - now 18 were at war - as I would have if they were 12...
at 18 they are better able to look out for themselves, unfortunately in war you are forced to let others do that.. at 12 or at 18
remember when our girls couldn't go to war for that reason..oh HOW WE BEND THOUGH!!!
Every weapon produced as probably had some field modifications done to it at some point.
Nope..........these are the same weapon.........the AK-47.
do producers use other names for this gun?
you have the disease to huh?? im not trying to win an argument. i never said they are not being produced...but they are phasing them out
These things are so cheap and so prevalent that I could have purchased one (illegally) off the street in Birmingham, Alabama for right around $100 in 1990.
i dont understand though...if its not an actual gas powered AK47 how can they call it an AK47..are they all gas powered?
theres no way in hell you could get me behind a gas powered fire maker..lol
lol..Dodge Aries/Plymouth Reliant both INDESTRUCTIBLE!
Anyway, I'm through with this thread ... 5 pages now, and you've still not provided even one little snippet of information, or even a coherent opinion.
compared to the rifles out there...the rifles we use..and explosives...i dont think the AK47 stands a chance against them... THAT IS NOT RIDICULOUS!
but its bullets are the size of your mom..thats the only advantage which isnt anything nowadays..
again, how about a 31 year old?
wouldnt you be more confident in knowing your 18 year old was out there then 12? the mental and physical matureness is 10 fold. not in all cases, but most.
forced to let others look out for you? what the hell does that mean? 18 year old can look out for themselves MUCH better then 12. that is a fact.
Danger is an accepted factor in war.
Well, if they both die.. the 18 year old would have expeience much more dread than the 12 year old..
comparing them is useless.... War sucks - for everyone.
hey listen man..it is not my fault you choose to not know.
It's never ok to be shot by anyone, but there is a difference between an adult, because that's what 18 year olds are, voluteering to join an army and a 12 year old being kidnapped and being forced to be in an army. Now if you are to fucking stupid to tell the difference then there is no use in trying to have an intelligent conversation with you. I didn't start this thread so simplistic morons like you could come on here and turn this into another US bash-fest. This problem supercedes nations and political parties, but thank you for dragging a serious issue into the gutter.
no there isnt! in fact it makes more sense to send 12 year olds in war really..you can probaly train them faster as far as getting them ready to be trained killers.
this is based that they are vulnerable and that teaching them war could in fact be....all that they know.
jlew..it is war. I hope these tactics aren't new to you...and if its shocking to see a 12 year old soldier well than how crazy would it be to have a 14 yr old king...or queen...
NOT THAT CRAZY when talking about something thats crazy to begin with.
holy cow!
the first post i made..i just wanted to get across...that you really shouldnt be shocked by this...of course it is wrong..but when you are born into a situation i think thats hostile and poor from day one and your told how people have it better than you..
theres something more here..i cant really put into words...but warlords/generals of any nation that are fixated on war and destruction use whatever means necessaary to win battles...unfortunately these weapons come witha childs face.. its war and they are all crazy...not just warlords..
don't neglect our craziness in thinking its ok what we are doing...thats all im saying...no one is right..and i hate seeing articles like this because it sidetracks peoples minds i believe...
war is evil. its chapters and weapons of any kind are within the term WAR.
WAR...we are at war...we can end it tomorrow.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/06/08/world/main1693064.shtml