Al-Qaida rebuilding effective terror network

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  • angelicaangelica Posts: 6,038
    Care to expand on this?
    In terms of terrorism, I can personally understand hatred. I can understand the feeling of being powerless and being unwilling to take it any more. I can understand not being willing to sit back and allow the intolerable to happen to my people. I can understand using any method at my disposal that will do the trick. I can understand strategizing to do so.

    In terms of the 20 year old soldier, I can personally understand hatred. I can understand the feeling of being powerless and being unwilling to take it any more. I can understand not being willing to sit back and allow the intolerable to happen to my people. I can understand using any method at my disposal that will do the trick. I can understand strategizing to do so.
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  • angelica wrote:
    In terms of terrorism, I can personally understand hatred. I can understand the feeling of being powerless and being unwilling to take it any more. I can understand not being willing to sit back and allow the intolerable to happen to my people. I can understand using any method at my disposal that will do the trick. I can understand strategizing to do so.

    In terms of the 20 year old soldier, I can personally understand hatred. I can understand the feeling of being powerless and being unwilling to take it any more. I can understand not being willing to sit back and allow the intolerable to happen to my people. I can understand using any method at my disposal that will do the trick. I can understand strategizing to do so.


    Ehh, that's not what I was looking for, but OK.
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  • angelicaangelica Posts: 6,038
    Ehh, that's not what I was looking for, but OK.
    You asked me to expand....you didn't lay out the outline of what you'd prefer for me to say.
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  • mammasan wrote:
    I know I'm going to sound like a broken record but we completely fucked up in Afghanistan. We did the job half-assed because this administration had it's eyes on Iraq and never really gave it a 100% effort in Afghanistan.

    Totally agree. We had a lot more backing in Afghanistan.
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  • Totally agree. We had a lot more backing in Afghanistan.
    Good point. Now Canada and other countries are having to pick up the slack and are paying for it with lives.
  • mammasanmammasan Posts: 5,656
    hailhailkc wrote:
    I think it's a belief that the "common good" should trump the "desires and aspirations" of those who aspire to "have more"...even if "the having more" is done so in a legal and respectful way. And if the "having more" IS done so legally and in a respectful way, then it SHOULD be our duty to give some of that "pie" to those who don't have it...no matter what the reason IS for them NOT having it.

    It's not that it's an entirely "wrong" point of view...it's just that it often times it taken to the extreme. Christ spoke of giving to the poor and needy, but he also emphasized the tenants of hard work and providing for yourself.

    You have to be balanced about it. Should we help the poor and less fortunate? Of course. Should I feel guilty because I worked for a new laptop computer and some woman who decided to have 7 kids and smoke meth/crack doesn't have one? No, I don't feel guilty about that.

    The way you described how we should be is how I see Liberalism. I don't believe that my hard earned money should go to support some crack head welfare-lifer and he 10 kids, but I do believe (as you stated) that the fortunate should try to help the less fortunate. I'm a firm believer in lifting yourself up by the boot straps and working for what you have in life. Unfortunetly sometimes the chips are stacked so high against you that you need a little hand. That is when we as a society should step in and help to avoid good hardworking people from falling through the cracks.
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  • even flow?even flow? Posts: 8,066
    I have to congratulate the American government on the handing over of fighter jets to Pakistan not too long ago. That is the way to reward a government who has done nothing at all to aide you in the hunt into the moutains of their own country and neighbouring Afgan. By now the allied forces should have reached those said mountains but are too busy trying to keep 10 square miles in Afgan without chaos and bloodshed. So when the prez of Pakistan who if it wasn't for him being in charge of a very loose miliary, can't keep his own country on a straight line. What would make you think that he could keep rebels in an even more orderly line? So you keep pouring military weapons and money into Pakistan and when it comes up to bite your ass again. And your adoring public still hasn't figured out that there is more then two parties to choose from. Will you still look as stupid and with as much egg on your face as 911? You keep fighting the terrorists by keeping the oil fields working in Iraq. And I will be with your people thinking that you are actually accomplishing something in the fight against terror (sic) and not trying to make sure your pocket book keeps filling up with having your friends fix what you break. Over and over and over again.
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  • jlew24asujlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    even flow? wrote:
    I have to congratulate the American government on the handing over of fighter jets to Pakistan not too long ago. That is the way to reward a government who has done nothing at all to aide you in the hunt into the moutains of their own country and neighbouring Afgan.
    pakistan has no control (or very little at most) of this mountainous area you speak of. do you know anything about this area? I doubt it. http://www.cfr.org/publication/11973/pakistans_tribal_areas.html
  • mammasanmammasan Posts: 5,656
    jlew24asu wrote:
    pakistan has no control (or very little at most) of this mountainous area you speak of. do you know anything about this area? I doubt it. http://www.cfr.org/publication/11973/pakistans_tribal_areas.html

    You are right that the Pakistani government has zero control over this region. What bothers me is that the Pakistani government will not allow any US forces across the border to hunt down terrorists. It's one thing to be shit scared to do the job yourself, but then to prevent someone else from doing it is bullshit.
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  • And this is news why? Sadly, Al-Qaida and other networks will continue to expand until the US changes its ways, which we all know will not happen as long as Americans and the American government reinforce this gung-ho let's roll-we're the boss attitude. A negotiation is all that can save this war. And like with apologising/admitting faliure in Iraq, is not going to happen either.

    Even if the US, Russian and Chinese militaries joined forces and revised the War on terror they would get nowhere. When you fight against an enemy that one can't see, you are fighting against an objective. Terrorists are fighting/blowing themselves up in order to achieve political and movementarian gain. What that is exactly, is something that Bush and co. will not recognise or analyse. Bombs and invasions will do absolutely fuck-all to stop terrorism. You can detain who you like, point the cannon finger (sorry, couldn't resist) at whoever and carpet bomb areas that you think are dodgy, but all that'll do is anger and incite several thousand young fundamentalists with nothing to lose.

    'Violence is the only language these people understand'..yes, it is. Unfortunately for Bush, they don't let it bother them. A dead militant is considered a martyr, and whichever terror figurehead is killed, another will take his place. Ideology cannot be broken, no matter how gruesome it may be.
  • jlew24asujlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    mammasan wrote:
    You are right that the Pakistani government has zero control over this region. What bothers me is that the Pakistani government will not allow any US forces across the border to hunt down terrorists. It's one thing to be shit scared to do the job yourself, but then to prevent someone else from doing it is bullshit.


    MUSHARRAF already has faced a few assassination attempts. if he allowed US forces on the ground he would be dead in no time. he has to find a way to balance helping us but not allowing us to come into his country. its a hard balancing act.
  • mammasanmammasan Posts: 5,656
    jlew24asu wrote:
    MUSHARRAF already has faced a few assassination attempts. if he allowed US forces on the ground he would be dead in no time. he has to find a way to balance helping us but not allowing us to come into his country. its a hard balancing act.

    He is in a difficult position, but I think he could grant us some access.
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  • even flow?even flow? Posts: 8,066
    jlew24asu wrote:
    pakistan has no control (or very little at most) of this mountainous area you speak of. do you know anything about this area? I doubt it. http://www.cfr.org/publication/11973/pakistans_tribal_areas.html


    Take up some reading skills. Here is a little bit further down the very long paragraph of words. Child!

    "So when the prez of Pakistan who if it wasn't for him being in charge of a very loose miliary, can't keep his own country on a straight line. What would make you think that he could keep rebels in an even more orderly line?"

    Yeah, I think I know.
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  • jlew24asujlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    even flow? wrote:
    Take up some reading skills. Here is a little bit further down the very long paragraph of words. Child!

    "So when the prez of Pakistan who if it wasn't for him being in charge of a very loose miliary, can't keep his own country on a straight line. What would make you think that he could keep rebels in an even more orderly line?"

    Yeah, I think I know.

    you know what exactly?

    the tribal areas are not in control of Musharraf or the pakistan government.
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