There you have it people....numerous examples of lack of understanding of a different worldview.
don't confuse rejection with a lack of understanding
And you ask me what I want this year
And I try to make this kind and clear
Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
Cuz I don't need boxes wrapped in strings
And desire and love and empty things
Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
I'll give it a try. liberalism can only be explained by emotion.
Let's face it...most of us are lazy. and we have our faults...everyone is self-conscious about something. and we all feel for other people...we are all connected. liberalism is based on a few central tenants but the main emotion is guilt. "I have a bunch of issues, so who am I to 'judge'" the other is the need to be accepted. It's hard to stand up for certain beliefs when lazy people attack you as a racist, biggot, etc. who want's to deal with that? so it's easier to go along, and not actually discuss things. Liberalism plays us for all of our fears, our insecurities and trumps doing what is right.
that's as a logical take as i can give...
I think it's a belief that the "common good" should trump the "desires and aspirations" of those who aspire to "have more"...even if "the having more" is done so in a legal and respectful way. And if the "having more" IS done so legally and in a respectful way, then it SHOULD be our duty to give some of that "pie" to those who don't have it...no matter what the reason IS for them NOT having it.
It's not that it's an entirely "wrong" point of view...it's just that it often times it taken to the extreme. Christ spoke of giving to the poor and needy, but he also emphasized the tenants of hard work and providing for yourself.
You have to be balanced about it. Should we help the poor and less fortunate? Of course. Should I feel guilty because I worked for a new laptop computer and some woman who decided to have 7 kids and smoke meth/crack doesn't have one? No, I don't feel guilty about that.
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jeesh...you quote a nobel peace prize nominee....i expect fawning...and *ohh..yeah...he sooo gets it! this is brilliant!*
I don't expect snide "compliments" ! (explanation point EMPHASIZED!)
And you ask me what I want this year
And I try to make this kind and clear
Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
Cuz I don't need boxes wrapped in strings
And desire and love and empty things
Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
And you ask me what I want this year
And I try to make this kind and clear
Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
Cuz I don't need boxes wrapped in strings
And desire and love and empty things
Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
Let's face it...most of us are lazy. and we have our faults...everyone is self-conscious about something. and we all feel for other people...we are all connected. liberalism is based on a few central tenants but the main emotion is guilt. "I have a bunch of issues, so who am I to 'judge'" the other is the need to be accepted. It's hard to stand up for certain beliefs when lazy people attack you as a racist, biggot, etc. who want's to deal with that? so it's easier to go along, and not actually discuss things. Liberalism plays us for all of our fears, our insecurities and trumps doing what is right.
If you base your rejection on this particular personal interpretation then you're quite clearly demonstrating a lack of understanding. If you choose to add rejection of your own imaginary concept, be my guest.
This is the distinct clue that your opinion is coming from an imbalanced perspective: You are being condescending. Condescension is imbalanced. When you condescend, you are not on the even playing field. Understanding is realistic and characterized by having an understanding nature, not a condescending one.
"The opposite of a fact is falsehood, but the opposite of one profound truth may very well be another profound truth." ~ Niels Bohr
In my case, you are talking to a person with a worldview that is about seeking to understand all worldviews. No worldview is to be demonized, in my view. To demonize the other person's/group's worldview is the set up an unrealistic view of good=us, bad=them. You are the slave to whom you make yourself a slave to, my friend. Putting yourself as victim to a persecutor is an imbalanced perspective. It is the opposite of a balanced, potent perspective.
I'm fully aware of the evil that lurks in the hearts of men because I seek to understand it. And that evil is in all men. Pointing the finger does not work for problem solving. It does work for war, though.
Geeeezuuuus! If you're going to continue to make fun of me...
I understand fully you're trying to understand everyone elses worldview. How they think and react situationally etc and why. I understand the classic good vs bad illustration we paint for ourselves, not fully understanding that illustration from anothers point of view, or better yet, our enemies...
It's just that... I wanted to reference you and slave in the same statement. Just a kinky thing I like to do for myself.
"Sarcasm: intellect on the offensive"
"What I lack in decorum, I make up for with an absence of tact."
If you base your rejection on this particular personal interpretation then you're quite clearly demonstrating a lack of understanding. If you choose to add rejection of your own imaginary concept, be my guest.
This is the distinct clue that your opinion is coming from an imbalanced perspective: You are being condescending. Condescension is imbalanced. When you condescend, you are not on the even playing field. Understanding is realistic and characterized by having an understanding nature, not a condescending one.
If you base your rejection on this particular personal interpretation then you're quite clearly demonstrating a lack of understanding. If you choose to add rejection of your own imaginary concept, be my guest.
This is the distinct clue that your opinion is coming from an imbalanced perspective: You are being condescending. Condescension is imbalanced. When you condescend, you are not on the even playing field. Understanding is realistic and characterized by having an understanding nature, not a condescending one.
Man I wan't to drop some sawyerism's here but you are a good friend...and i'm not in the mood to be a jackass.
maybe understand my perspective...a heyseed hillbilly living in academia. i have been surounded by condescending people my entire life, the opinion is my observation...it's just an opinion.
You said that my opinion is coming from an imbalanced perspective. Of course it is! Show me the person that comes from a balanced perspective....then we are getting into spirituality...and i doubt that most people have the stomach for that
And you ask me what I want this year
And I try to make this kind and clear
Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
Cuz I don't need boxes wrapped in strings
And desire and love and empty things
Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
no...say something like "yeah...Donovan McNabb sucks b/c he's black" or "chealsea's a dog."
that way, we know we are on the same page
And you ask me what I want this year
And I try to make this kind and clear
Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
Cuz I don't need boxes wrapped in strings
And desire and love and empty things
Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
Man I wan't to drop some sawyerism's here but you are a good friend...and i'm not in the mood to be a jackass.
maybe understand my perspective...a heyseed hillbilly living in academia. i have been surounded by condescending people my entire life, the opinion is my observation...it's just an opinion.
You said that my opinion is coming from an imbalanced perspective. Of course it is! Show me the person that comes from a balanced perspective....then we are getting into spirituality...and i doubt that most people have the stomach for that
I accept contrary opinions. As a matter of fact, I have more conversations on this board with the exact people I'm talking to here--who have contrary opinions, than I do with people like Abu, whose beliefs I respect and am more closely aligned with.
The thing is, the minute you look down on someone, I know you or anyone else doing so is coming from a false perspective based on a flaw in thinking. It's a very base psychological thing. Understanding is based on getting the reality and not a falsity. I realize people often have false, condescending or otherwise imbalanced opinions. In this case, I'm in a thread with numerous people, most who I talk to in pms as friends. And obviously whom I have a dialogue with. I'm not really concerned about all the strangers in the world who are sharing warped viewpoints. And since I'm representing the view you are talking down about, I'm going to specifically, and with adept logic call the logic flaws I see out. On an even playing field.
It's the nature of reasoned debate, my friend.
"The opposite of a fact is falsehood, but the opposite of one profound truth may very well be another profound truth." ~ Niels Bohr
I accept contrary opinions. As a matter of fact, I have more conversations on this board with the exact people I'm talking to here--who have contrary opinions, than I do with people like Abu, whose beliefs I respect and am more closely aligned with.
The thing is, the minute you look down on someone, I know you or anyone else doing so is coming from a false perspective based on a flaw in thinking. It's a very base psychological thing. Understanding is based on getting the reality and not a falsity. I realize people often have false, condescending or otherwise imbalanced opinions. In this case, I'm in a thread with numerous people, most who I talk to in pms as friends. And obviously whom I have a dialogue with. I'm not really concerned about all the strangers in the world who are sharing warped viewpoints. And since I'm representing the view you are talking down about, I'm going to specifically, and with adept logic call the logic flaws I see out. On an even playing field.
It's the nature of reasoned debate, my friend.
I'd like to play the field angelica. You're next.
"Sarcasm: intellect on the offensive"
"What I lack in decorum, I make up for with an absence of tact."
I think it's a belief that the "common good" should trump the "desires and aspirations" of those who aspire to "have more"...even if "the having more" is done so in a legal and respectful way. And if the "having more" IS done so legally and in a respectful way, then it SHOULD be our duty to give some of that "pie" to those who don't have it...no matter what the reason IS for them NOT having it.
It's not that it's an entirely "wrong" point of view...it's just that it often times it taken to the extreme. Christ spoke of giving to the poor and needy, but he also emphasized the tenants of hard work and providing for yourself.
You have to be balanced about it. Should we help the poor and less fortunate? Of course. Should I feel guilty because I worked for a new laptop computer and some woman who decided to have 7 kids and smoke meth/crack doesn't have one? No, I don't feel guilty about that.
This, I can agree with, definitely at least in some contexts. I think it's not only an effort to be fair and realistic, but I think it actually IS realistic in some/many cases.
"The opposite of a fact is falsehood, but the opposite of one profound truth may very well be another profound truth." ~ Niels Bohr
This, I can agree with, definitely at least in some contexts. I think it's not only an effort to be fair and realistic, but I think it actually IS realistic in some/many cases.
I think it depends on the case and expectations.
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In general, though, I definitely agree with you about the balance. And that the liberal view can go to an extreme. I also think the conservative one can as well. Then again, I'm biased. My personal view is that if one is too aligned with one side or another one is not as much seeing the big picture. That said, I don't mean to imply that I don't have specific beliefs on specific issues. And I can also understand if most of one's views fall generally to one side or the other. I just think we're kidding ourselves if we distort the purposes of the other side. Doing so doesn't suit a purpose except to make us feel as though we are better than another for holding our own view.
"The opposite of a fact is falsehood, but the opposite of one profound truth may very well be another profound truth." ~ Niels Bohr
In general, though, I definitely agree with you about the balance. And that the liberal view can go to an extreme. I also think the conservative one can as well. Then again, I'm biased. My personal view is that if one is too aligned with one side or another one is not as much seeing the big picture. That said, I don't mean to imply that I don't have specific beliefs on specific issues. And I can also understand if most of one's views fall generally to one side or the other. I just think we're kidding ourselves if we distort the purposes of the other side. Doing so doesn't suit a purpose except to make us feel as though we are better than another for holding our own view.
I just think whatever Rush and Beck and Hannity tell me to think.
In general, though, I definitely agree with you about the balance. And that the liberal view can go to an extreme. I also think the conservative one can as well. Then again, I'm biased. My personal view is that if one is too aligned with one side or another one is not as much seeing the big picture. That said, I don't mean to imply that I don't have specific beliefs on specific issues. And I can also understand if most of one's views fall generally to one side or the other. I just think we're kidding ourselves if we distort the purposes of the other side. Doing so doesn't suit a purpose except to make us feel as though we are better than another for holding our own view.
Who are the bad guys? America? Or, as Abuskedti put it, "Terrorists?"
If you had a gun to your head, who would ya join?
Neither, if it meant turning against the other, and I'd take a bullet for it. I'll die before I compromise my deepest beliefs. I'll die before I deliberately tune out the humanity of another. I'm also dead serious about that. And it is because I can undertand the mindset of terrorists. And I can even respect the context they come from and their purposes. Just as much as I can respect the context and view of the 20 year old who goes to Iraq and deliberately contributes to the death of others.
As for being a politician, I'm a very opinionated person. I just have figured out the boundaries of what I can and cannot do without infringing on others. If I infringe on others, it comes right back to me. For example, as a poster, I've very direct and confrontational, and I never, ever consider compromising my dearest ideals. But I can generally get away with being that way as a poster because while doing so, I am not infringing on others and others know it. Those who infringe on others caught up in all kinds of imbalanced dynamics. The same principle works exactly the same on the world stage. Unfortunately many people on the planet are operating in a way that is not aligned with that natural principle, to great cost in terms of human life worldwide. We keep repeating cycles that are not working. And we say: oh, this is just the way it is. And really, it's not the way it is, it's just the way we know.
"The opposite of a fact is falsehood, but the opposite of one profound truth may very well be another profound truth." ~ Niels Bohr
Neither, if it meant turning against the other, and I'd take a bullet for it. I'll die before I compromise my deepest beliefs. I'll die before I deliberately tune out the humanity of another. I'm also dead serious about that. And it is because I can undertand the mindset of terrorists. And I can even respect the context they come from and their purposes. Just as much as I can respect the context and view of the 20 year old who goes to Iraq and deliberately contributes to the death of others.
As for being a politician, I'm a very opinionated person. I just have figured out the boundaries of what I can and cannot do without infringing on others. If I infringe on others, it comes right back to me. For example, as a poster, I've very direct and confrontational, and I never, ever consider compromising my dearest ideals. But I can generally get away with being that way as a poster because while doing so, I am not infringing on others and others know it. Those who infringe on others caught up in all kinds of imbalanced dynamics. The same principle works exactly the same on the world stage. Unfortunately many people on the planet are operating in a way that is not aligned with that natural principle, to great cost in terms of human life worldwide. We keep repeating cycles that are not working. And we say: oh, this is just the way it is. And really, it's not the way it is, it's just the way we know.
Said perfectly.
If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
And it is because I can undertand the mindset of terrorists. And I can even respect the context they come from and their purposes. Just as much as I can respect the context and view of the 20 year old who goes to Iraq and deliberately contributes to the death of others.
Care to expand on this?
"Sarcasm: intellect on the offensive"
"What I lack in decorum, I make up for with an absence of tact."
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errrr...........good one?
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Are you insulting me???
It's one of my favorite Eddie quotes.
"What I lack in decorum, I make up for with an absence of tact."
Camden 5-28-06
Washington, D.C. 6-22-08
don't confuse rejection with a lack of understanding
And I try to make this kind and clear
Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
Cuz I don't need boxes wrapped in strings
And desire and love and empty things
Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
http://www.myspace.com/illuminatta
Rhinocerous Surprise '08!!!
I think it's a belief that the "common good" should trump the "desires and aspirations" of those who aspire to "have more"...even if "the having more" is done so in a legal and respectful way. And if the "having more" IS done so legally and in a respectful way, then it SHOULD be our duty to give some of that "pie" to those who don't have it...no matter what the reason IS for them NOT having it.
It's not that it's an entirely "wrong" point of view...it's just that it often times it taken to the extreme. Christ spoke of giving to the poor and needy, but he also emphasized the tenants of hard work and providing for yourself.
You have to be balanced about it. Should we help the poor and less fortunate? Of course. Should I feel guilty because I worked for a new laptop computer and some woman who decided to have 7 kids and smoke meth/crack doesn't have one? No, I don't feel guilty about that.
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No, wasn't insulting you. Just 'didnt get it'.
So anyways, back to the thread, how bout that al queda?
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jeesh...you quote a nobel peace prize nominee....i expect fawning...and *ohh..yeah...he sooo gets it! this is brilliant!*
I don't expect snide "compliments" ! (explanation point EMPHASIZED!)
And I try to make this kind and clear
Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
Cuz I don't need boxes wrapped in strings
And desire and love and empty things
Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
completely agree.
And I try to make this kind and clear
Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
Cuz I don't need boxes wrapped in strings
And desire and love and empty things
Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
This is the distinct clue that your opinion is coming from an imbalanced perspective: You are being condescending. Condescension is imbalanced. When you condescend, you are not on the even playing field. Understanding is realistic and characterized by having an understanding nature, not a condescending one.
http://www.myspace.com/illuminatta
Rhinocerous Surprise '08!!!
http://www.myspace.com/illuminatta
Rhinocerous Surprise '08!!!
Geeeezuuuus! If you're going to continue to make fun of me...
I understand fully you're trying to understand everyone elses worldview. How they think and react situationally etc and why. I understand the classic good vs bad illustration we paint for ourselves, not fully understanding that illustration from anothers point of view, or better yet, our enemies...
It's just that... I wanted to reference you and slave in the same statement. Just a kinky thing I like to do for myself.
"What I lack in decorum, I make up for with an absence of tact."
Camden 5-28-06
Washington, D.C. 6-22-08
Dem big words make my head hurt.
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Man I wan't to drop some sawyerism's here
maybe understand my perspective...a heyseed hillbilly living in academia. i have been surounded by condescending people my entire life, the opinion is my observation...it's just an opinion.
You said that my opinion is coming from an imbalanced perspective. Of course it is! Show me the person that comes from a balanced perspective....then we are getting into spirituality...and i doubt that most people have the stomach for that
And I try to make this kind and clear
Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
Cuz I don't need boxes wrapped in strings
And desire and love and empty things
Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
I'll just wink at you next time.....
"What I lack in decorum, I make up for with an absence of tact."
Camden 5-28-06
Washington, D.C. 6-22-08
You stupid hick.
"What I lack in decorum, I make up for with an absence of tact."
Camden 5-28-06
Washington, D.C. 6-22-08
Im not a hick. Just stupid.
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no...say something like "yeah...Donovan McNabb sucks b/c he's black" or "chealsea's a dog."
that way, we know we are on the same page
And I try to make this kind and clear
Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
Cuz I don't need boxes wrapped in strings
And desire and love and empty things
Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
The thing is, the minute you look down on someone, I know you or anyone else doing so is coming from a false perspective based on a flaw in thinking. It's a very base psychological thing. Understanding is based on getting the reality and not a falsity. I realize people often have false, condescending or otherwise imbalanced opinions. In this case, I'm in a thread with numerous people, most who I talk to in pms as friends. And obviously whom I have a dialogue with. I'm not really concerned about all the strangers in the world who are sharing warped viewpoints. And since I'm representing the view you are talking down about, I'm going to specifically, and with adept logic call the logic flaws I see out. On an even playing field.
It's the nature of reasoned debate, my friend.
http://www.myspace.com/illuminatta
Rhinocerous Surprise '08!!!
George Bush hates black people.
"What I lack in decorum, I make up for with an absence of tact."
Camden 5-28-06
Washington, D.C. 6-22-08
I'd like to play the field angelica. You're next.
"What I lack in decorum, I make up for with an absence of tact."
Camden 5-28-06
Washington, D.C. 6-22-08
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I think it depends on the case and expectations.
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I just think whatever Rush and Beck and Hannity tell me to think.
Otherwise, I'd have to think for myself.
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Alright, then stop being a politician.
In your opinion ...
Who are the bad guys? America? Or, as Abuskedti put it, "Terrorists?"
If you had a gun to your head, who would ya join?
"What I lack in decorum, I make up for with an absence of tact."
Camden 5-28-06
Washington, D.C. 6-22-08
As for being a politician, I'm a very opinionated person. I just have figured out the boundaries of what I can and cannot do without infringing on others. If I infringe on others, it comes right back to me. For example, as a poster, I've very direct and confrontational, and I never, ever consider compromising my dearest ideals. But I can generally get away with being that way as a poster because while doing so, I am not infringing on others and others know it. Those who infringe on others caught up in all kinds of imbalanced dynamics. The same principle works exactly the same on the world stage. Unfortunately many people on the planet are operating in a way that is not aligned with that natural principle, to great cost in terms of human life worldwide. We keep repeating cycles that are not working. And we say: oh, this is just the way it is. And really, it's not the way it is, it's just the way we know.
http://www.myspace.com/illuminatta
Rhinocerous Surprise '08!!!
Said perfectly.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
Care to expand on this?
"What I lack in decorum, I make up for with an absence of tact."
Camden 5-28-06
Washington, D.C. 6-22-08
http://www.myspace.com/illuminatta
Rhinocerous Surprise '08!!!