Help Needed - The Problem With Some Christians

chopitdown

magikev wrote:

I don't advocate having sex before marriage, and would never encourage him to do something that he did not want to do. I'm just very confused as to where to go with this. If anybody knows of any Bible verses that could help him see differently, please let me know. That is basically the only thing that he will listen to, and I really don't feel like finding a new roommate.

i have to agree with soulsinging on this one. You won't find a bible verse to support what you're doing and you can try to say "don't be judgmental" but if he has a value system re: sex that is different from yours and he wants to leave b/c of it, he can. Also, don't forget the verse that talks about being a stumbling block for someone. If he wants to wait until marriage and he knows you're having sex with your girlfriend you may be making it more difficult for him to stay true to his beliefs and convictions.

chopitdown

josevolution wrote:

the problem with Christians they allways wan't to push their beliefs down your throat ......

that seems to be the problem with people in general. Christians try to push religion. Other people push philosophy, politics, lack of belief, conspiracy theories. Christians aren't the only ones guilty of this.

soulsinging

Collin wrote:

Look, my uncle is an outspoken atheist, when my grandmother died he refused to go to the church service. He caused a lot of pain in our family. Almost everyone in our family considered his actions to be very disrespectful, they told him how they felt but he still stood by his beliefs, knowingly hurting the people he loves.

It's fundamental beliefs like that that cause pain and suffering in the world. If you can't compromise on your beliefs for your best friends and/or loved ones, you won't be able to compromise for anyone. And when you can't compromise on anything you create a hostile environment. Just look at fundamentalist Islam, they believe in something so devoutly, so strongly that they don't care how many people they hurt. They even think it's justified.

So yes, you could say I have a problem with his reasons, sort of. If someone puts his beliefs over people, like extremist muslims for example, I think it's very sad.

I'm just glad he isn't forcing the thread starter out of the house and chooses to leave himself.

i still see a difference between a one-time event to show respect for the dead and an ongoing and consistent environment where one's values are being consistently tested.

compare it more to your uncle being asked to come to church every WEEK for the sake of family peace. that's a bit diff infringment on his beliefs. on the flipside, if the OP and his gf were having a party to celebrate the anniversary of their first date, and the roommate wouldn't come becos he felt their relationship was sinful, i'd agree with you that it was a dick move and he should have swallowed his beliefs to be there for his friend. but this situation is totally different.

poto101

1. if he really was religious he would realize it was not up to him to judge

2. he's running away from his problems by suddenly moving out. what would be more rational in my POV would be to talk to you about it. maybe he could try to get you to see things his way instead of insulting you by calling you a sinner.
i find that cowardly

Cosmo

poto101 wrote:

1. if he really was religious he would realize it was not up to him to judge

2. he's running away from his problems by suddenly moving out. what would be more rational in my POV would be to talk to you about it. maybe he could try to get you to see things his way instead of insulting you by calling you a sinner.
i find that cowardly

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You know what would be funny? If in the future... the guy realizes he's gay.

Smellyman2

One less religious nutter living with you sounds pretty good. Don't make the same mistake twice.

slightofjeff

Count me in the camp of this is America, one is free to choose to live where ever they please, for whatever reason they please.

poto101

slightofjeff wrote:

Count me in the camp of this is America, one is free to choose to live where ever they please, for whatever reason they please.

I agree he has the right to move out, but i think as a friend he should make more of an effort to resolve the issue (maybe he did i don't know)

also if he's really a friend he wouldn't leave suddenly, leaving him to take care of rent and such (maybe he didn't do this i dunno)


i'm all for the freedom to choose, but it seems this choice is hurtful (then again the choice to have premarital sex hurt him but it really doesn't affect him in any way) so i don't agree with it.

did i just quote ben harper?

Im still here

magikev wrote:

I consider myself a Christian, but like many others, I'm not perfect. My roommate, who is also one of my best friends, is much more "hardcore" so speak with his Christianity. When we moved in together 6 months together, I was very upfront with him about everything. I have a girlfriend (who he know and likes, and makes him dinner very regularly when she is down - also a Christian) who I have dated for almost 4 years. We held off on having sex for the first 2 years, but then decided it was something that we wanted to do. We were each other's first, and have been very faithful. I try and lead my life well, and am considered by many who know be to be a giving and kind person. I had told him that I would be having sex with her (very irregularly as she is RARELY here - she has another year in college still).

Well, a couple days ago, my roommate called me outside (with my girlfriend here) and told me that he had to move out. He said that the fact that I have sex with my girlfriend bothered him, and that he needed to live with somebody avoiding a "sinful life." He added that he does not want this to come between our friendship at all. Personally, I think it's bullshit. I pay my portion of the rent for my room, and I feel that what I do behind closed doors is my life. I don't advocate having sex before marriage, and would never encourage him to do something that he did not want to do. I'm just very confused as to where to go with this. If anybody knows of any Bible verses that could help him see differently, please let me know. That is basically the only thing that he will listen to, and I really don't feel like finding a new roommate.

make him go to this page and read the entire page and look up the verses

you said you were both virgins, right?

http://www.rmsbibleengineering.com/Page2/Adultery/Page2_1.html

magikev

Hey everybody. Thanks for all your advice and support. I've basically gotten over it. It really is not worth losing a friend over.

fanch75

Keiran wrote:

Quit worrying about being a "Christian" and start being accountable for living your life in a way you think is right (Biblical - not Biblical) whatever.

http://stuffwhitepeoplelike.wordpress.com/2008/01/18/2-religions-that-their-parents-dont-belong-to/

"Stuff White People Like"

#2 Religions that their parents don’t belong to
January 18, 2008 by clander

White people will often say they are “spiritual” but not religious. Which usually means that they will believe any religion that doesn’t involve Jesus.

Popular choices include Buddhism, Hinduism, Kabbalah and, to a lesser extent, Scientology. A few even dip into Islam, but it’s much more rare since you have to give stuff up and actually go to Mosque.

Mostly they are into religion that fits really well into their homes or wardrobe and doesn’t require them to do very much.

darthvedder81

fanch75 wrote:

http://stuffwhitepeoplelike.wordpress.com/2008/01/18/2-religions-that-their-parents-dont-belong-to/

"Stuff White People Like"

#2 Religions that their parents don’t belong to
January 18, 2008 by clander

White people will often say they are “spiritual” but not religious. Which usually means that they will believe any religion that doesn’t involve Jesus.

Popular choices include Buddhism, Hinduism, Kabbalah and, to a lesser extent, Scientology. A few even dip into Islam, but it’s much more rare since you have to give stuff up and actually go to Mosque.

Mostly they are into religion that fits really well into their homes or wardrobe and doesn’t require them to do very much.

Hahaha. That website is so great!