Peace of Mind and the Year 2012

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  • Music For Rhinos
    Music For Rhinos Posts: 1,693
    angelica wrote:
    If you want out, all you have to do is leave...It's convention that tells you you "have to" stay.

    People are slaves to the calendar.

    "10 Reasons You Should Never Get a Job":
    http://www.stevepavlina.com/blog/2006/07/10-reasons-you-should-never-get-a-job/


    that's a hell of an article with some great points.

    but...it's also a tad unrealistic. not everyone has the means or the money to just drop everything and start a business. it takes money to make money. plus, what if your business fails and you don't make any money? then you're worse off than when you started.

    i would love to quit my shitty job in a second but if i did, it wouldn't help me at all. i don't have the money to get a business going and even if i did, i wouldn't have any ideas for a profitable business.

    everyone wants to be rich and very few want to work for it. if everyone had their way, we'd all be millionaires who did whatever we wanted. but then who would cook your meal if you wanted to go out to eat? etc etc.
  • angelica
    angelica Posts: 6,038
    Music For Rhinos wrote:
    that's a hell of an article with some great points.

    but...it's also a tad unrealistic. not everyone has the means or the money to just drop everything and start a business. it takes money to make money. plus, what if your business fails and you don't make any money? then you're worse off than when you started.

    i would love to quit my shitty job in a second but if i did, it wouldn't help me at all. i don't have the money to get a business going and even if i did, i wouldn't have any ideas for a profitable business.

    everyone wants to be rich and very few want to work for it. if everyone had their way, we'd all be millionaires who did whatever we wanted. but then who would cook your meal if you wanted to go out to eat? etc etc.
    People who see beyond limits are a small minority. Arguing for one's limits is not the way one moves beyond limits. When one is ready for more, they'll find it and not a moment too soon.

    Conventional thought, and what Abraham Maslow considered "aspiring to mediocrity", is not how one accesses their potential and creates their dreams!

    It's perfectly acceptable to live out limitations. People do it all the time.
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  • even flow?
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    Drummer98136 wrote:
    "2012 is sometimes claimed to be a great year of spiritual transformation (or apocalypse). Many esoteric sources interpret the completion of the thirteenth B'ak'tun cycle in the Long Count of the Maya calendar (which occurs on December 21 by the most widely held correlation) to mean there will be a major change in world order.

    Accordingly, several eclectic authors claim that a major, world-changing event will take place in 2012:

    * The 1997 book The Bible Code claims that, according to certain algorithms of the Bible code, a meteor, asteroid or comet will collide with the Earth.
    * The 2006 book 2012: The Return of Quetzalcoatl by Daniel Pinchbeck discusses theories of a possible global awakening to psychic connection by the year 2012, creating a noosphere.

    Other prophecies and apocalyptic writings and hypotheses for this year include:

    * Terence McKenna's numerological novelty theory suggests a point of singularity in which humankind will go through a great shift in consciousness."



    I guess it starts to make you think if we are all going to be able to read each other minds just before the asteroid hits or before the aliens take off their cloaking devices.

    One seems to worry more about the future after having a child. At least for me, what happens may be out of my control but who wants to think of their child suffering or any child for that matter.

    Does anyone else ever think about this?

    When we figure out why the pyramids in Egypt and Mexico and the south were erected and by which aliens for landing purposes............then I'll worry about who is coming back or what is going to happen in 2012.

    Wouldn't it be cool if Jesus and Mohamad and the lot came from where it is they are now (if they lived) and decided to have one big battle and we were around to watch it all go down. Have Buffer do the introductions to the match or matches. Maybe it would be like a battle royal with magic powers. Could be a super spectacle or just some nonsense to discuss while we wait for 2012 or the second coming of Jesus. Take your pick.
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  • Abookamongstthemany
    Abookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terence_mckenna#Novelty_theory_and_.22Time_Wave:_Zero_Point.22

    Novelty theory and "Time Wave: Zero Point"

    Main article: Novelty theory

    One of McKenna's ideas is known as Novelty theory. It predicts the ebb and flow of novelty in the universe as an inherent quality of time. McKenna developed the theory in the mid-1970s after his experiences in the Amazon at La Chorrera led him to closely study the King Wen sequence of the I-Ching. Novelty theory involves ontology, extropy, and eschatology.

    The theory proposes that the universe is an engine designed for the production and conservation of novelty. Novelty, in this context, can be thought of as newness, or extropy (a term coined by Max More meaning the opposite of entropy). According to McKenna, when novelty is graphed over time, a fractal waveform known as "timewave zero" or simply the "timewave" results. The graph shows at what time periods, but never at what locations, novelty increases or decreases.

    Considered by some to represent a model of history's most important events, the universal algorithm has also been extrapolated to be a model for future events. McKenna admitted to the expectation of a "singularity of novelty", and that he and his colleagues projected many hundreds of years into the future to find when this singularity (runaway "newness" or extropy) could occur. Millenarians give more credence to Novelty theory as a way to predict the future (especially regarding 2012) than McKenna himself. The graph of extropy had many enormous fluctuations over the last 25,000 years, but amazingly, it hit an asymptote at exactly December 21, 2012.[18] In other words, entropy (or habituation) no longer exists after that date. It is impossible to define that state. The technological singularity concept parallels this, only at a date roughly three decades later. According to leading expert Ray Kurzweil), another concept called cultural singularity (essentially cultural dissolution, or language dissolution, as in the novel Just a Couple of Days), parallels this as well. Terence claimed to have no knowledge of the Mayan calendar, which ends one day before the Timewave graph does, on December 21, 2012. This claim is likely to be true, as McKenna's timewave theory was published in The Invisible Landscape 12 years before José Argüelles's The Mayan Factor, the book which brought the Mayan calendar into public consciousness.[18]
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  • mattcozea
    mattcozea Posts: 377
    polaris wrote:
    well ... i don't know too much as my friend who does the shamonic workshops tried to fill me in ... the new indiana jones movie is loosely based on this ...

    but essentially there are all these crystal skulls ... there are 12 now in place and once the 13th skull gets put in place - the world will be aided in its attempt at further enlightenment of something like that ... :)

    and the person who has the 13th skull lives in waterloo

    http://www.thestar.com/Travel/article/196456

    she apparently has offered to return it but the "keepers" have said its too early ...
    I can guarantee you she won't be returning it... because she died last year. Bill Homann has it in Chesterton, Indiana. Oh, and there's no shortage of theories about the skulls, each one crazier than the next. The one I've heard the most is that the 13 skulls will somehow activate in 2012 to prevent whatever is supposed to happen.
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  • tybird
    tybird Posts: 17,388
    Abookamongstthemany wrote:
    I've been reading and watching some clips on this recently. I find it fascinating but I'm not sure just how many serious replies you'll get here.

    Also, the coming Age of Aquarius coincides around 2012. Right now we are still under Pisces.
    Pisces rock!!!

    I'm more concerned over what might happen in 2112 than I am 2012. ;):p
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  • Abookamongstthemany
    Abookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    tybird wrote:
    Pisces rock!!!

    I'm more concerned over what might happen in 2112 than I am 2012. ;):p


    Well read some of the information in the link I just posted and how it coincides with many other theories. I think we will be seeing some very exciting times ahead of us very soon.
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  • RolandTD20Kdrummer
    RolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    They said year 2000 was going to be insane also...

    it's all bullshit...
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

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  • Abookamongstthemany
    Abookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:
    They said year 2000 was going to be insane also...

    it's all bullshit...


    In all fairness that was about a computer date changing. Not quite what we are talking about here.
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  • RolandTD20Kdrummer
    RolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    Abookamongstthemany wrote:
    In all fairness that was about a computer date changing. Not quite what we are talking about here.


    Agreed.

    I'm still not buying into it all that much. They had to etch these calendars on rocks. Perhaps they ran out of space, or just decided it was far enough in the future to think ahead.

    It's like buying a calendar today and it goes to year 4008 and it's the size of a phone book. At some point it's gotta end.

    I think that's all it is.
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

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  • Abookamongstthemany
    Abookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:
    Agreed.

    I'm still not buying into it all that much. They had to etch these calendars on rocks. Perhaps they ran out of space, or just decided it was far enough in the future to think ahead.

    It's like buying a calendar today and it goes to year 4008 and it's the size of a phone book. At some point it's gotta end.

    I think that's all it is.


    :p

    I think that if you want to have a serious discussion about this, you ought to read up a little more on what we are talking about here. :)
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  • my2hands
    my2hands Posts: 17,117
    RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:
    They said year 2000 was going to be insane also...

    it's all bullshit...


    there is hope for you yet roland :D


    you're right... it is all bullshit
  • my2hands
    my2hands Posts: 17,117
    Abookamongstthemany wrote:

    I think that if you want to have a serious discussion about this,

    i dont think anyone can have a serious discussion about this
  • Abookamongstthemany
    Abookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    my2hands wrote:
    i dont think anyone can have a serious discussion about this


    why is that?
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  • my2hands
    my2hands Posts: 17,117
    Abookamongstthemany wrote:
    why is that?

    because it is bullshit :D


    it's like having a conversation about ghosts... it cant be serious... because it is bullshit
  • Abookamongstthemany
    Abookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    my2hands wrote:
    i dont think anyone can have a serious discussion about this


    This seems pretty serious to me but if it's not your thing, that's fine, too.


    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Novelty_theory#Precepts_of_novelty_theory
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  • my2hands
    my2hands Posts: 17,117
    Abookamongstthemany wrote:
    This seems pretty serious to me but if it's not your thing, that's fine, too.


    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Novelty_theory#Precepts_of_novelty_theory

    "It is an idea conceived of and discussed at length by Terence McKenna"


    why is that serious? some whacked out theory by an obscure person is now a serious discussion topic?

    i can come up with all kinds of crazy theory's... wanna discuss them? :D
  • Abookamongstthemany
    Abookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    I'm not saying that anyone has to take this subject seriously and am very aware most won't because it falls beyond what we can currently know for sure. People generally don't like things they can't already prove to be 100% fact and much of this is uncharted territory. So you can read it and think what you will about it either way. I just find this topic fascinating and don't even know for sure what I officially think about it....it just gives one a lot to ponder about. And I have had some amazing discussions on these topics with a few people before and like to pass it along.
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  • Abookamongstthemany
    Abookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    my2hands wrote:
    "It is an idea conceived of and discussed at length by Terence McKenna"


    why is that serious? some whacked out theory by an obscure person is now a serious discussion topic?

    i can come up with all kinds of crazy theory's... wanna discuss them? :D


    why is it not serious discussion? because you view him to be crazy? then fine, it doesn't matter to me either way.

    If it makes you feel better to come in here and say how something is so crazy but not bother discussing why...go right ahead.

    people used to call others crazy who disagree that the world was flat and actually thought it was round.....

    just something to think about...
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  • Abookamongstthemany
    Abookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:ParadigmShiftsFrr15Events.svg
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