Excuse me, but could you give me 10 minutes (since you can apparently get it back) and explain that to me....not to be a total smartypants but other than E=mc2 what is there that has any plausible scientific theories on time being shifted or shaped. As of yet, I have overslept many times and despite my best efforts I was still late. Isn't time scientifically measured in such things as the speed of light, 186K miles in a second? Doesn't the earth travel around the sun in 365 and 1/4 days, etc? Other than space travel at the speed of light, what is there. I may be wrong but if you left earth for a year and came back when earth had returned to its same position a year later, it would still be a year later.
Just curious, you probably have a good answer.
Other than E=mc2??? Other than the actual theory that proves that time is relative??? Sounds a little convenient for you!
Okay, other than that!!!!........ there's renowned author and quantum physicist Fred Alan Wolf and his book "How the Mind Can Defeat Time" http://www.questbooks.net/title.cfm?bookid=524 "Wolf draws on yoga and quantum physics to show that time is a flexible projection of mind. ... Wolf explores how time and thought are bound together and how a change in ego structure could allow freedom from time's limitations".
Many individuals understand that time is a process of linear measurement, which is a product of 1/4 of our brain functioning--the left neo-cortex. Such individuals, myself included, know from experience, that when we integrate full brain processes, and use our whole brain, (which is not common at this time although it's possible for ALL), our perceptions change, and we see things realistically, and beyond the current limits of conventional thought at this time. When we come to use our human potential, our paradigms shift and we see that what to some are absolutes (like time) are not absolutes at all.
This type of thing has been charted time and time again by many through "time". The masses have chosen to live by the limits of current convention, rather than access what is possible thus far! I say the knowing that time is a tool rather than a limitation is changing how we look at everything!
Time and Space are of a dimension beyond our 3 dimensions. Those who study consciousness, and raise their consciousness know that there is a fifth dimension, a sixth dimension, etc. and that we can attune to seeing beyond what we've been trained to commonly see at this time. Physicist Fred Alan Wolf studies consciousness, and alongside his esteemed education in Quauntum physics has written many books explaining the science aspect of such experience.
"The opposite of a fact is falsehood, but the opposite of one profound truth may very well be another profound truth." ~ Niels Bohr
Bohm came up with the science theory of the implicate order which is enfolded and from which the explicate order of the physical world we know springs from. In the implicate order there is no time. Those who raise their consciousness to go beyond time still embrace time on one level, and yet are able to comprehend reality at levels beyond time, thereby viewing the whole of reality, rather than the limitations of our awareness. We expand our vision and awareness, raising our consciousness. By raising our awareness of what is possible, much more regular and great discovery happens!
Once you attune to this stuff, it's all over the place! Contrarily, when we follow common conventions, we operate under the limits of common thought, which is a huge concept David Bohm continually talked about.
"The opposite of a fact is falsehood, but the opposite of one profound truth may very well be another profound truth." ~ Niels Bohr
well ... i don't know too much as my friend who does the shamonic workshops tried to fill me in ... the new indiana jones movie is loosely based on this ...
but essentially there are all these crystal skulls ... there are 12 now in place and once the 13th skull gets put in place - the world will be aided in its attempt at further enlightenment of something like that ...
and the person who has the 13th skull lives in waterloo
well ... i don't know too much as my friend who does the shamonic workshops tried to fill me in ... the new indiana jones movie is loosely based on this ...
but essentially there are all these crystal skulls ... there are 12 now in place and once the 13th skull gets put in place - the world will be aided in its attempt at further enlightenment of something like that ...
and the person who has the 13th skull lives in waterloo
I agree about time. What most people don't realize is that humans have invented the concept of time. Time is not an absolute. It's highly pliable depending on the context. At this time, people are generally enslaved by "time". As we awaken to really understand how time works, and how to be outside of time, paradigms will shift, and new great discoveries will be uncovered! We all are entirely able to get beyond the limits of time at this moment. I do so all the "time"...living from an eternal perspective, which is very different than the linear, commonly accepted stance we buy into now. That is definitely shifting!!
Okay....all I wanna know is if this can somehow get me out of a 40 hour work week....
that's a hell of an article with some great points.
but...it's also a tad unrealistic. not everyone has the means or the money to just drop everything and start a business. it takes money to make money. plus, what if your business fails and you don't make any money? then you're worse off than when you started.
i would love to quit my shitty job in a second but if i did, it wouldn't help me at all. i don't have the money to get a business going and even if i did, i wouldn't have any ideas for a profitable business.
everyone wants to be rich and very few want to work for it. if everyone had their way, we'd all be millionaires who did whatever we wanted. but then who would cook your meal if you wanted to go out to eat? etc etc.
that's a hell of an article with some great points.
but...it's also a tad unrealistic. not everyone has the means or the money to just drop everything and start a business. it takes money to make money. plus, what if your business fails and you don't make any money? then you're worse off than when you started.
i would love to quit my shitty job in a second but if i did, it wouldn't help me at all. i don't have the money to get a business going and even if i did, i wouldn't have any ideas for a profitable business.
everyone wants to be rich and very few want to work for it. if everyone had their way, we'd all be millionaires who did whatever we wanted. but then who would cook your meal if you wanted to go out to eat? etc etc.
People who see beyond limits are a small minority. Arguing for one's limits is not the way one moves beyond limits. When one is ready for more, they'll find it and not a moment too soon.
Conventional thought, and what Abraham Maslow considered "aspiring to mediocrity", is not how one accesses their potential and creates their dreams!
It's perfectly acceptable to live out limitations. People do it all the time.
"The opposite of a fact is falsehood, but the opposite of one profound truth may very well be another profound truth." ~ Niels Bohr
"2012 is sometimes claimed to be a great year of spiritual transformation (or apocalypse). Many esoteric sources interpret the completion of the thirteenth B'ak'tun cycle in the Long Count of the Maya calendar (which occurs on December 21 by the most widely held correlation) to mean there will be a major change in world order.
Accordingly, several eclectic authors claim that a major, world-changing event will take place in 2012:
* The 1997 book The Bible Code claims that, according to certain algorithms of the Bible code, a meteor, asteroid or comet will collide with the Earth.
* The 2006 book 2012: The Return of Quetzalcoatl by Daniel Pinchbeck discusses theories of a possible global awakening to psychic connection by the year 2012, creating a noosphere.
Other prophecies and apocalyptic writings and hypotheses for this year include:
* Terence McKenna's numerological novelty theory suggests a point of singularity in which humankind will go through a great shift in consciousness."
I guess it starts to make you think if we are all going to be able to read each other minds just before the asteroid hits or before the aliens take off their cloaking devices.
One seems to worry more about the future after having a child. At least for me, what happens may be out of my control but who wants to think of their child suffering or any child for that matter.
Does anyone else ever think about this?
When we figure out why the pyramids in Egypt and Mexico and the south were erected and by which aliens for landing purposes............then I'll worry about who is coming back or what is going to happen in 2012.
Wouldn't it be cool if Jesus and Mohamad and the lot came from where it is they are now (if they lived) and decided to have one big battle and we were around to watch it all go down. Have Buffer do the introductions to the match or matches. Maybe it would be like a battle royal with magic powers. Could be a super spectacle or just some nonsense to discuss while we wait for 2012 or the second coming of Jesus. Take your pick.
One of McKenna's ideas is known as Novelty theory. It predicts the ebb and flow of novelty in the universe as an inherent quality of time. McKenna developed the theory in the mid-1970s after his experiences in the Amazon at La Chorrera led him to closely study the King Wen sequence of the I-Ching. Novelty theory involves ontology, extropy, and eschatology.
The theory proposes that the universe is an engine designed for the production and conservation of novelty. Novelty, in this context, can be thought of as newness, or extropy (a term coined by Max More meaning the opposite of entropy). According to McKenna, when novelty is graphed over time, a fractal waveform known as "timewave zero" or simply the "timewave" results. The graph shows at what time periods, but never at what locations, novelty increases or decreases.
Considered by some to represent a model of history's most important events, the universal algorithm has also been extrapolated to be a model for future events. McKenna admitted to the expectation of a "singularity of novelty", and that he and his colleagues projected many hundreds of years into the future to find when this singularity (runaway "newness" or extropy) could occur. Millenarians give more credence to Novelty theory as a way to predict the future (especially regarding 2012) than McKenna himself. The graph of extropy had many enormous fluctuations over the last 25,000 years, but amazingly, it hit an asymptote at exactly December 21, 2012.[18] In other words, entropy (or habituation) no longer exists after that date. It is impossible to define that state. The technological singularity concept parallels this, only at a date roughly three decades later. According to leading expert Ray Kurzweil), another concept called cultural singularity (essentially cultural dissolution, or language dissolution, as in the novel Just a Couple of Days), parallels this as well. Terence claimed to have no knowledge of the Mayan calendar, which ends one day before the Timewave graph does, on December 21, 2012. This claim is likely to be true, as McKenna's timewave theory was published in The Invisible Landscape 12 years before José Argüelles's The Mayan Factor, the book which brought the Mayan calendar into public consciousness.[18]
If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
well ... i don't know too much as my friend who does the shamonic workshops tried to fill me in ... the new indiana jones movie is loosely based on this ...
but essentially there are all these crystal skulls ... there are 12 now in place and once the 13th skull gets put in place - the world will be aided in its attempt at further enlightenment of something like that ...
and the person who has the 13th skull lives in waterloo
she apparently has offered to return it but the "keepers" have said its too early ...
I can guarantee you she won't be returning it... because she died last year. Bill Homann has it in Chesterton, Indiana. Oh, and there's no shortage of theories about the skulls, each one crazier than the next. The one I've heard the most is that the 13 skulls will somehow activate in 2012 to prevent whatever is supposed to happen.
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I've been reading and watching some clips on this recently. I find it fascinating but I'm not sure just how many serious replies you'll get here.
Also, the coming Age of Aquarius coincides around 2012. Right now we are still under Pisces.
Pisces rock!!!
I'm more concerned over what might happen in 2112 than I am 2012.
All the world will be your enemy, Prince with a thousand enemies, and whenever they catch you, they will kill you. But first they must catch you, digger, listener, runner, prince with the swift warning. Be cunning and full of tricks and your people shall never be destroyed.
I'm more concerned over what might happen in 2112 than I am 2012.
Well read some of the information in the link I just posted and how it coincides with many other theories. I think we will be seeing some very exciting times ahead of us very soon.
If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
They said year 2000 was going to be insane also...
it's all bullshit...
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
In all fairness that was about a computer date changing. Not quite what we are talking about here.
Agreed.
I'm still not buying into it all that much. They had to etch these calendars on rocks. Perhaps they ran out of space, or just decided it was far enough in the future to think ahead.
It's like buying a calendar today and it goes to year 4008 and it's the size of a phone book. At some point it's gotta end.
I think that's all it is.
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
I'm still not buying into it all that much. They had to etch these calendars on rocks. Perhaps they ran out of space, or just decided it was far enough in the future to think ahead.
It's like buying a calendar today and it goes to year 4008 and it's the size of a phone book. At some point it's gotta end.
I think that's all it is.
I think that if you want to have a serious discussion about this, you ought to read up a little more on what we are talking about here.
If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
I'm not saying that anyone has to take this subject seriously and am very aware most won't because it falls beyond what we can currently know for sure. People generally don't like things they can't already prove to be 100% fact and much of this is uncharted territory. So you can read it and think what you will about it either way. I just find this topic fascinating and don't even know for sure what I officially think about it....it just gives one a lot to ponder about. And I have had some amazing discussions on these topics with a few people before and like to pass it along.
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Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
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Okay, other than that!!!!........ there's renowned author and quantum physicist Fred Alan Wolf and his book "How the Mind Can Defeat Time" http://www.questbooks.net/title.cfm?bookid=524 "Wolf draws on yoga and quantum physics to show that time is a flexible projection of mind. ... Wolf explores how time and thought are bound together and how a change in ego structure could allow freedom from time's limitations".
Many individuals understand that time is a process of linear measurement, which is a product of 1/4 of our brain functioning--the left neo-cortex. Such individuals, myself included, know from experience, that when we integrate full brain processes, and use our whole brain, (which is not common at this time although it's possible for ALL), our perceptions change, and we see things realistically, and beyond the current limits of conventional thought at this time. When we come to use our human potential, our paradigms shift and we see that what to some are absolutes (like time) are not absolutes at all.
This type of thing has been charted time and time again by many through "time". The masses have chosen to live by the limits of current convention, rather than access what is possible thus far! I say the knowing that time is a tool rather than a limitation is changing how we look at everything!
Time and Space are of a dimension beyond our 3 dimensions. Those who study consciousness, and raise their consciousness know that there is a fifth dimension, a sixth dimension, etc. and that we can attune to seeing beyond what we've been trained to commonly see at this time. Physicist Fred Alan Wolf studies consciousness, and alongside his esteemed education in Quauntum physics has written many books explaining the science aspect of such experience.
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And one of my favourites, physicist David Bohm, from an interview in Omni magazine!: http://www.fdavidpeat.com/interviews/bohm.htm
Bohm came up with the science theory of the implicate order which is enfolded and from which the explicate order of the physical world we know springs from. In the implicate order there is no time. Those who raise their consciousness to go beyond time still embrace time on one level, and yet are able to comprehend reality at levels beyond time, thereby viewing the whole of reality, rather than the limitations of our awareness. We expand our vision and awareness, raising our consciousness. By raising our awareness of what is possible, much more regular and great discovery happens!
http://www.fdavidpeat.com/bibliography/books/infinite.htm
" Einstein had such a high regard for Bohm and his work that he made Bohm his close collaborator and friend."
Bohm, is one of the aforementioned whole-istic thinkers! And in line with my assertion about the ending of time co-created the book "The Ending of Time" (which I recently read! http://tchl.freeweb.hu/the_ending_of_time/the_ending_of_time.html )!!
Once you attune to this stuff, it's all over the place! Contrarily, when we follow common conventions, we operate under the limits of common thought, which is a huge concept David Bohm continually talked about.
http://www.myspace.com/illuminatta
Rhinocerous Surprise '08!!!
hey angelica - did you know about the skulls? ... and that you are living close to the magical 13th?
http://www.myspace.com/illuminatta
Rhinocerous Surprise '08!!!
well ... i don't know too much as my friend who does the shamonic workshops tried to fill me in ... the new indiana jones movie is loosely based on this ...
but essentially there are all these crystal skulls ... there are 12 now in place and once the 13th skull gets put in place - the world will be aided in its attempt at further enlightenment of something like that ...
and the person who has the 13th skull lives in waterloo
http://www.thestar.com/Travel/article/196456
she apparently has offered to return it but the "keepers" have said its too early ...
That is soooo Indiana Jones!
http://www.myspace.com/illuminatta
Rhinocerous Surprise '08!!!
People are slaves to the calendar.
"10 Reasons You Should Never Get a Job":
http://www.stevepavlina.com/blog/2006/07/10-reasons-you-should-never-get-a-job/
http://www.myspace.com/illuminatta
Rhinocerous Surprise '08!!!
that's a hell of an article with some great points.
but...it's also a tad unrealistic. not everyone has the means or the money to just drop everything and start a business. it takes money to make money. plus, what if your business fails and you don't make any money? then you're worse off than when you started.
i would love to quit my shitty job in a second but if i did, it wouldn't help me at all. i don't have the money to get a business going and even if i did, i wouldn't have any ideas for a profitable business.
everyone wants to be rich and very few want to work for it. if everyone had their way, we'd all be millionaires who did whatever we wanted. but then who would cook your meal if you wanted to go out to eat? etc etc.
Conventional thought, and what Abraham Maslow considered "aspiring to mediocrity", is not how one accesses their potential and creates their dreams!
It's perfectly acceptable to live out limitations. People do it all the time.
http://www.myspace.com/illuminatta
Rhinocerous Surprise '08!!!
When we figure out why the pyramids in Egypt and Mexico and the south were erected and by which aliens for landing purposes............then I'll worry about who is coming back or what is going to happen in 2012.
Wouldn't it be cool if Jesus and Mohamad and the lot came from where it is they are now (if they lived) and decided to have one big battle and we were around to watch it all go down. Have Buffer do the introductions to the match or matches. Maybe it would be like a battle royal with magic powers. Could be a super spectacle or just some nonsense to discuss while we wait for 2012 or the second coming of Jesus. Take your pick.
Novelty theory and "Time Wave: Zero Point"
Main article: Novelty theory
One of McKenna's ideas is known as Novelty theory. It predicts the ebb and flow of novelty in the universe as an inherent quality of time. McKenna developed the theory in the mid-1970s after his experiences in the Amazon at La Chorrera led him to closely study the King Wen sequence of the I-Ching. Novelty theory involves ontology, extropy, and eschatology.
The theory proposes that the universe is an engine designed for the production and conservation of novelty. Novelty, in this context, can be thought of as newness, or extropy (a term coined by Max More meaning the opposite of entropy). According to McKenna, when novelty is graphed over time, a fractal waveform known as "timewave zero" or simply the "timewave" results. The graph shows at what time periods, but never at what locations, novelty increases or decreases.
Considered by some to represent a model of history's most important events, the universal algorithm has also been extrapolated to be a model for future events. McKenna admitted to the expectation of a "singularity of novelty", and that he and his colleagues projected many hundreds of years into the future to find when this singularity (runaway "newness" or extropy) could occur. Millenarians give more credence to Novelty theory as a way to predict the future (especially regarding 2012) than McKenna himself. The graph of extropy had many enormous fluctuations over the last 25,000 years, but amazingly, it hit an asymptote at exactly December 21, 2012.[18] In other words, entropy (or habituation) no longer exists after that date. It is impossible to define that state. The technological singularity concept parallels this, only at a date roughly three decades later. According to leading expert Ray Kurzweil), another concept called cultural singularity (essentially cultural dissolution, or language dissolution, as in the novel Just a Couple of Days), parallels this as well. Terence claimed to have no knowledge of the Mayan calendar, which ends one day before the Timewave graph does, on December 21, 2012. This claim is likely to be true, as McKenna's timewave theory was published in The Invisible Landscape 12 years before José Argüelles's The Mayan Factor, the book which brought the Mayan calendar into public consciousness.[18]
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
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8-21-08 EV, Auditorium Theater, Chicago
8-22-08 EV, Auditorium Theater, Chicago
I'm more concerned over what might happen in 2112 than I am 2012.
Well read some of the information in the link I just posted and how it coincides with many other theories. I think we will be seeing some very exciting times ahead of us very soon.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
it's all bullshit...
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
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In all fairness that was about a computer date changing. Not quite what we are talking about here.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
Agreed.
I'm still not buying into it all that much. They had to etch these calendars on rocks. Perhaps they ran out of space, or just decided it was far enough in the future to think ahead.
It's like buying a calendar today and it goes to year 4008 and it's the size of a phone book. At some point it's gotta end.
I think that's all it is.
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
(\__/)
( o.O)
(")_(")
I think that if you want to have a serious discussion about this, you ought to read up a little more on what we are talking about here.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
there is hope for you yet roland
you're right... it is all bullshit
i dont think anyone can have a serious discussion about this
why is that?
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
because it is bullshit
it's like having a conversation about ghosts... it cant be serious... because it is bullshit
This seems pretty serious to me but if it's not your thing, that's fine, too.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Novelty_theory#Precepts_of_novelty_theory
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
"It is an idea conceived of and discussed at length by Terence McKenna"
why is that serious? some whacked out theory by an obscure person is now a serious discussion topic?
i can come up with all kinds of crazy theory's... wanna discuss them?
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
why is it not serious discussion? because you view him to be crazy? then fine, it doesn't matter to me either way.
If it makes you feel better to come in here and say how something is so crazy but not bother discussing why...go right ahead.
people used to call others crazy who disagree that the world was flat and actually thought it was round.....
just something to think about...
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde