Peace of Mind and the Year 2012

Drummer98136

"2012 is sometimes claimed to be a great year of spiritual transformation (or apocalypse). Many esoteric sources interpret the completion of the thirteenth B'ak'tun cycle in the Long Count of the Maya calendar (which occurs on December 21 by the most widely held correlation) to mean there will be a major change in world order.

Accordingly, several eclectic authors claim that a major, world-changing event will take place in 2012:

* The 1997 book The Bible Code claims that, according to certain algorithms of the Bible code, a meteor, asteroid or comet will collide with the Earth.
* The 2006 book 2012: The Return of Quetzalcoatl by Daniel Pinchbeck discusses theories of a possible global awakening to psychic connection by the year 2012, creating a noosphere.

Other prophecies and apocalyptic writings and hypotheses for this year include:

* Terence McKenna's numerological novelty theory suggests a point of singularity in which humankind will go through a great shift in consciousness."



I guess it starts to make you think if we are all going to be able to read each other minds just before the asteroid hits or before the aliens take off their cloaking devices.

One seems to worry more about the future after having a child. At least for me, what happens may be out of my control but who wants to think of their child suffering or any child for that matter.

Does anyone else ever think about this?

Abookamongstthemany

I've been reading and watching some clips on this recently. I find it fascinating but I'm not sure just how many serious replies you'll get here.

Also, the coming Age of Aquarius coincides around 2012. Right now we are still under Pisces.

Abookamongstthemany

http://youtube.com/watch?v=2O917T30JtE

Rhinocerous Surprise

Abookamongstthemany wrote:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=2O917T30JtE

You know I'm not gonna try to derail this thread.

But. I was really hoping the youtube clip would be this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EhbxI5eVnM4

Abookamongstthemany

Rhinocerous Surprise wrote:

You know I'm not gonna try to derail this thread.

But. I was really hoping the youtube clip would be this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EhbxI5eVnM4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fhNrqc6yvTU&feature=related

it's nice to see art has greatly evolved

Rhinocerous Surprise

Abookamongstthemany wrote:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fhNrqc6yvTU&feature=related

it's nice to see art has greatly evolved

I really hope we evolve into characters in a musical. Think how much more fun everyone's day would be if we sang instead of talking?

Byrnzie

I loved 'Breaking Open The Head'. Great book. I didn't get around to reading his second one though.

LikeAnOcean

After learning about how the mayan calendar works, and intuition and consciousness, I'm convinced something is going to happen in or around 2012..

El_Kabong

aren't the poles supposed to realign in 2012, too?

Byrnzie

Nice interview with Pinchbeck here...

You may wanna fast forward over the first 10 minutes or so..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZFoRkQ3TM9w

catefrances

Drummer98136 wrote:

"2012 is sometimes claimed to be a great year of spiritual transformation (or apocalypse). Many esoteric sources interpret the completion of the thirteenth B'ak'tun cycle in the Long Count of the Maya calendar (which occurs on December 21 by the most widely held correlation) to mean there will be a major change in world order.

Accordingly, several eclectic authors claim that a major, world-changing event will take place in 2012:

* The 1997 book The Bible Code claims that, according to certain algorithms of the Bible code, a meteor, asteroid or comet will collide with the Earth.
* The 2006 book 2012: The Return of Quetzalcoatl by Daniel Pinchbeck discusses theories of a possible global awakening to psychic connection by the year 2012, creating a noosphere.

Other prophecies and apocalyptic writings and hypotheses for this year include:

* Terence McKenna's numerological novelty theory suggests a point of singularity in which humankind will go through a great shift in consciousness."



I guess it starts to make you think if we are all going to be able to read each other minds just before the asteroid hits or before the aliens take off their cloaking devices.

One seems to worry more about the future after having a child. At least for me, what happens may be out of my control but who wants to think of their child suffering or any child for that matter.

Does anyone else ever think about this?

i have enough trouble dealing with the present, so im not thinking forward to a nonexistant future. so i guess thats a no.

Drummer98136

Thanks so much everyone for sharing such positive responses. I enjoyed the youtubes. they were all so appropriate.

Collin

I can't say I believe the world will end or something spectacular will happen.

abook wrote:

Also, the coming Age of Aquarius coincides around 2012. Right now we are still under Pisces.

Maybe that is it. Just that. End of an age, beginning of a new age. But nothing that's really connected to mankind.

I'm very sceptical about these things. Right now what I've seen qua evidence isn't very convincing.

I guess I'll just have to wait and see

Drummer98136

Byrnzie wrote:

Nice interview with Pinchbeck here...

You may wanna fast forward over the first 10 minutes or so..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZFoRkQ3TM9w

I really enjoyed watching this but thinking about all the psychedelics this guy took, makes my noggin hurt. How is he still talking?

I'm going to read his book.

Restless Soul

Drummer98136 wrote:

"2012 is sometimes claimed to be a great year of spiritual transformation (or apocalypse). Many esoteric sources interpret the completion of the thirteenth B'ak'tun cycle in the Long Count of the Maya calendar (which occurs on December 21 by the most widely held correlation) to mean there will be a major change in world order.

Accordingly, several eclectic authors claim that a major, world-changing event will take place in 2012:

* The 1997 book The Bible Code claims that, according to certain algorithms of the Bible code, a meteor, asteroid or comet will collide with the Earth.
* The 2006 book 2012: The Return of Quetzalcoatl by Daniel Pinchbeck discusses theories of a possible global awakening to psychic connection by the year 2012, creating a noosphere.

Other prophecies and apocalyptic writings and hypotheses for this year include:

* Terence McKenna's numerological novelty theory suggests a point of singularity in which humankind will go through a great shift in consciousness."



I guess it starts to make you think if we are all going to be able to read each other minds just before the asteroid hits or before the aliens take off their cloaking devices.

One seems to worry more about the future after having a child. At least for me, what happens may be out of my control but who wants to think of their child suffering or any child for that matter.

Does anyone else ever think about this?

I heard about the mayan calendar which predicts the end of the world in 2012 or at least some world-changing event but didn't know about these other things so thanks. I've often wondered about 2012 too. It keeps coming up everywhere, eg: I've noticed that whenever people have a five-year plan, say at work, it always seems to end in 2012, never 2013 or anything.

Anyway, it doesn't necessarily mean that something bad will happen. For example, I read an article a while ago in the paper that the Hadron Collider, this big thing CERN are building switzerland might, in four years time, be able to produce some sort of time travel (of matter). That's what the scientists said. So maaaaaybe, (and bear with me) 2012 will be significant in terms of the end of chronological time? After all if you invent time travel then who is to say what is the correct time anymore? That's a pretty massive significant change for the world but doesn't mean the end physically.

Also regarding the age of aquarius - every decade has a star sign and the next decade is going to be ruled by Aquarius. This current decade is ruled by Capricorn which is governed by conservativism and tradition - you can see it's influence in the rise of fundamentalism and religion that's been happening over the past few years. Aquarius, however, is ruled by an interest in the futuristic, outer space, sci-fi and inventions etc, which fits with the idea of inventing time travel. Also, I've noticed tons of stories these days about the mars missions, galactic tourism etc. I think it's a sign that the Aquarius decade is edging in and will be taking over soon. (I've noticed that the decades start to change around a couple of years before the actual start). So anyway, space travel is going to be huge over the next ten years, but maybe so could other developments like time travel I think.

That could be the big change, rather than something disastrous, hopefully.

angelica

Restless Soul wrote:

So maaaaaybe, (and bear with me) 2012 will be significant in terms of the end of chronological time? After all if you invent time travel then who is to say what is the correct time anymore? That's a pretty massive significant change for the world but doesn't mean the end physically.

Also regarding the age of aquarius - every decade has a star sign and the next decade is going to be ruled by Aquarius. This current decade is ruled by Capricorn which is governed by conservativism and tradition - you can see it's influence in the rise of fundamentalism and religion that's been happening over the past few years. Aquarius, however, is ruled by an interest in the futuristic, outer space, sci-fi and inventions etc, which fits with the idea of inventing time travel. Also, I've noticed tons of stories these days about the mars missions, galactic tourism etc. I think it's a sign that the Aquarius decade is edging in and will be taking over soon. (I've noticed that the decades start to change around a couple of years before the actual start). So anyway, space travel is going to be huge over the next ten years, but maybe so could other developments like time travel I think.

That could be the big change, rather than something disastrous, hopefully.

I agree about time. What most people don't realize is that humans have invented the concept of time. Time is not an absolute. It's highly pliable depending on the context. At this time, people are generally enslaved by "time". As we awaken to really understand how time works, and how to be outside of time, paradigms will shift, and new great discoveries will be uncovered! We all are entirely able to get beyond the limits of time at this moment. I do so all the "time"...living from an eternal perspective, which is very different than the linear, commonly accepted stance we buy into now. That is definitely shifting!!

Thanks for sharing that about the next decade. I'd not heard that before. I agree that we see the dawning of a new decade before it begins, and what you say also coincides with the re-dawning of 80's type futuristic looks in fashion that will intensify and probably be the look to get used to!

I see people misunderstanding 2012 a lot. I don't perceive any great overt cataclysmic changes happening. It will be like all change. It takes a long while before the average person becomes aware of great change as it happens. And new ages. It's happening now, for those who are aware...just like how we begin to see what the new decade is like years before it starts.

The problems come in because the average person settles into a way of being and expects life to adapt to their ideas of life. Then as THEY are not adapting, and bad things happen to them all around them, they are oblivious to their own lack of healthy adaptation, and feel negative consequences a lot. There is a quickening happening right now. I am expecting great changes in certain ways that we look at and understand things. Still, all of this is already happening behind the scenes and will merely intensify, even while most are generally oblivious to it.

In some new age circles, people expect everyone will just wake up in 2012. I don't see that happening at all. Although, the way inspiration and information is being spread instantaneously globally, awareness is growing exponentially. It's like the 60s with the widespread drug culture triggering a wide jump in consciousness...this all happened before everyone's eyes and seemed so mundane, but was really a profound shift of awareness on a very large and impactful scale. We will see that, and much much more, again, and in consciousness, itself, without the use of drugs. Only much more intensified. The irony is, though, that this type of awareness, as it spreads intensely and like wildfire, it becomes all the more normal! This is why the projected great cataclysms never arrive! It's our fears that taint the natural harmonious patterns as we look ahead to what we don't yet understand.

People who numb themselves in any manner of way, and expect an awakening to come from on high to awaken them are merely perpetuating their patterns and casting faith to a future that doesn't exist. The real key to join in the dawning consciousness, and to overcome the illness consciousness we uphold in the vast majority, is to resolve the numbing disorder, practices, etc. To take personal responsibility, 100%. Any way we don't do so, we will feel an intensification of the negative consequences of our actions.

I think in the next few years, we'll see the signs in very unusual discoveries, scientifically, that will cause us to rethink some of our very basic paradigms of how we structure information and what we believe.

I find these to be very exciting times! I'm honoured to be a part of every moment of it!

NMyTree

Am I the only one who finds it interesting that the ice caps are melting, the oceans are rising..........as we get closer to the Age of Aquarius?

What a coininky-dink.



Hey, I'll be fine. I'm a Pisces. I'll swim with the tide and where it takes me:D

Restless Soul

angelica wrote:

I agree about time. What most people don't realize is that humans have invented the concept of time. Time is not an absolute. It's highly pliable depending on the context. At this time, people are generally enslaved by "time". As we awaken to really understand how time works, and how to be outside of time, paradigms will shift, and new great discoveries will be uncovered! We all are entirely able to get beyond the limits of time at this moment. I do so all the "time"...living from an eternal perspective, which is very different than the linear, commonly accepted stance we buy into now. That is definitely shifting!!

Thanks for sharing that about the next decade. I'd not heard that before. I agree that we see the dawning of a new decade before it begins, and what you say also coincides with the re-dawning of 80's type futuristic looks in fashion that will intensify and probably be the look to get used to!</quote>


You're right, time is a manmade construction. But it does exist, after all the sun does come up anew every day. That's time. If we could go backwards in time then it must take more than just the concept to make it happen. It's all a bit confusing to be honest!

The decades thing I read about in a Linda goodman book years ago, and noticed it as I went along. For example:
60s were ruled by Virgo which is about thinking discriminately and criticising things that don't work - which affected society;
70s Libra but not sure about it's influence here;
80s was scorpio and it was a decade obsessed with money, sex and power lol, big shoulderpads etc.
90s Sagittarius was a decade characterised by freedom, casualness and risk-taking - there was lots about risk-taking in business, dot com booms etc, changes in the workplace such as hot-desking, freedom to move from desk to desk, dress down fridays, being your own boss etc. I remember there were lots of stuff about travel and backpacking etc too - very saggi
00s - capricorn - return to tradition, religious austerity, authority and power - 9/11, fundamentalism etc.
10s Aquarius - space, time travel, who knows!

<quote>I see people misunderstanding 2012 a lot. I don't perceive any great overt cataclysmic changes happening. It will be like all change. It takes a long while before the average person becomes aware of great change as it happens. And new ages. It's happening now, for those who are aware...just like how we begin to see what the new decade is like years before it starts.

The problems come in because the average person settles into a way of being and expects life to adapt to their ideas of life. Then as THEY are not adapting, and bad things happen to them all around them, they are oblivious to their own lack of healthy adaptation, and feel negative consequences a lot. There is a quickening happening right now. I am expecting great changes in certain ways that we look at and understand things. Still, all of this is already happening behind the scenes and will merely intensify, even while most are generally oblivious to it.

In some new age circles, people expect everyone will just wake up in 2012. I don't see that happening at all. Although, the way inspiration and information is being spread instantaneously globally, awareness is growing exponentially. It's like the 60s with the widespread drug culture triggering a wide jump in consciousness...this all happened before everyone's eyes and seemed so mundane, but was really a profound shift of awareness on a very large and impactful scale. We will see that, and much much more, again, and in consciousness, itself, without the use of drugs. Only much more intensified. The irony is, though, that this type of awareness, as it spreads intensely and like wildfire, it becomes all the more normal! This is why the projected great cataclysms never arrive! It's our fears that taint the natural harmonious patterns as we look ahead to what we don't yet understand.

People who numb themselves in any manner of way, and expect an awakening to come from on high to awaken them are merely perpetuating their patterns and casting faith to a future that doesn't exist. The real key to join in the dawning consciousness, and to overcome the illness consciousness we uphold in the vast majority, is to resolve the numbing disorder, practices, etc. To take personal responsibility, 100%. Any way we don't do so, we will feel an intensification of the negative consequences of our actions.

I think in the next few years, we'll see the signs in very unusual discoveries, scientifically, that will cause us to rethink some of our very basic paradigms of how we structure information and what we believe.

I find these to be very exciting times! I'm honoured to be a part of every moment of it!

I'm glad to be part of it too. I agree that most people won't notice the difference or the changes except in hindsight. The signs are all there though, all you need to do is look for it. I don't think it's a big secret or mystery, it just not obvious!

angelica

Restless Soul wrote:

I'm glad to be part of it too. I agree that most people won't notice the difference or the changes except in hindsight. The signs are all there though, all you need to do is look for it. I don't think it's a big secret or mystery, it just not obvious!

I completely agree!!

angelica

NMyTree wrote:

Am I the only one who finds it interesting that the ice caps are melting, the oceans are rising..........as we get closer to the Age of Aquarius?

What a coininky-dink.



Hey, I'll be fine. I'm a Pisces. I'll swim with the tide and where it takes me:D

did you just say....................................coininky-dink??

That's another thing...we're looking at "global warming" through the awareness we have right now....I'm fairly confident, we'll see things very differently re: global warming in 20 years. Paradigm shifts.

angelica

Restless Soul wrote:

You're right, time is a manmade construction. But it does exist, after all the sun does come up anew every day. That's time. If we could go backwards in time then it must take more than just the concept to make it happen. It's all a bit confusing to be honest!

Experiences happen. Most people look at the sun coming up as an objective event. When one REALizes their integration with their evironment, we see that our perception of the sun coming up is directely connected to our perception.

We cannot separate our view or experience of the sun coming up, from .... our view. I like the term "holomovement". everything is in flux and movement, and we use "time" to measure that. It's has it's place as a tool. However, time is not absolute, it's relative.

When we come to understand this, everything we base our beliefs on shifts. We can no longer count on our "beliefs" as true. Therefore it opens us up to all possibilities...beyond linearity.

With this understanding we can first integrate our brain-functioning, and eventually move on to holistic awareness. We learn to see far beyond our biases and small-minded views! When we truly become free-thinkers, discoveries will pop up with mind-bending regularity. Get ready people!

The key is to learn to adapt, and to stop the silly little egotistical game of expecting life to fit inside our box!

NMyTree

angelica wrote:

did you just say....................................coininky-dink??

Yes I did. Why?

angelica wrote:

That's another thing...we're looking at "global warming" through the awareness we have right now....I'm fairly confident, we'll see things very differently re: global warming in 20 years. Paradigm shifts.

Yeah, there's so much we don't understand about our planet, time, the universe, spirituality (not talking religion, here), nature and physics.

We don't even know much about ourselves......our brains, our physical bodies......our spiritual connection with the universe and nature itself.

We're simply stumbling infants trying to get our feet under ourselves. And not often doing a good job of it.

Lifeforms from other planets and other universes undoubtedly perceive most of the human species as petulant, little, infant brats who need constant supervision, so they don't burn themselves at the stove.

Some where in the universe someone is saying........

"You can lead a human to water, but you can't make him drink it"

'Stubborn as a Human"

" You'd have to be a real Human to do such a thing "

angelica

NMyTree wrote:

Yes I did. Why?

I'm not sure....it's like reading that, I slipped into some other dimension of space and time........where people wear leisure suits with regularity...or something!

Yeah, there's so much we don't understand about our planet, time, the universe, spirituality (not talking religion, here), nature and physics.

We don't even know much about ourselves......our brains, our physical bodies......our spiritual connection with the universe and nature itself.

We're simply stumbling infants trying to get our feet under ourselves. And not often doing a good job of it.

Lifeforms from other planets and other universes undoubtedly perceive most of the human species as petulant, little, infant brats who need constant supervision, so they don't burn themselves at the stove.

Some where in the universe someone is saying........

"You can lead a human to water, but you can't make him drink it"

'Stubborn as a Human"

" You'd have to be a real Human to do such a thing "

This is totally so insightful.....and so appropriately humble!!

You get both from me:

Well said!!

and:

Exactly!!!


....lol, burning ourselves at the stove! That's a perfect conceptualization if I've ever heard it! ( <

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completely reverent smiley!! )

Urban Hiker

angelica wrote:

In some new age circles, people expect everyone will just wake up in 2012. I don't see that happening at all. Although, the way inspiration and information is being spread instantaneously globally, awareness is growing exponentially. It's like the 60s with the widespread drug culture triggering a wide jump in consciousness...this all happened before everyone's eyes and seemed so mundane, but was really a profound shift of awareness on a very large and impactful scale. We will see that, and much much more, again, and in consciousness, itself, without the use of drugs. Only much more intensified. The irony is, though, that this type of awareness, as it spreads intensely and like wildfire, it becomes all the more normal! This is why the projected great cataclysms never arrive! It's our fears that taint the natural harmonious patterns as we look ahead to what we don't yet understand.

I surfaced and all around me was enlightened

angelica wrote:

People who numb themselves in any manner of way, and expect an awakening to come from on high to awaken them are merely perpetuating their patterns and casting faith to a future that doesn't exist. The real key to join in the dawning consciousness, and to overcome the illness consciousness we uphold in the vast majority, is to resolve the numbing disorder, practices, etc. To take personal responsibility, 100%. Any way we don't do so, we will feel an intensification of the negative consequences of our actions.

Which hopefully will spur people into more positive action.

angelica

Urban Hiker wrote:

I surfaced and all around me was enlightened

What honey to my ears!!

Which hopefully will spur people into more positive action.

That's always been the idea! Then humans began to separate from our Mother Nature, demanding our independence, and in our obstinance and with developing egos, we denounced Nature, our Source, and her voice that speaks to us in each moment!! 'No!' we shout. 'We don't have to listen to anyone! What we feel are not consequences for our actions that we receive! They are instead the fault of that guy over there.' And we continue to enable our illusory but character honing learning experiences.

Man...I learned the verrrrryyyy hard way to temper my will, and to align with life. Temperence....http://www.aeclectic.net/tarot/basics/temperance.shtml

"Continuing on his spiritual path, the Fool begins to wonder how to reconcile the opposites that he's been facing: material and spiritual ... death and birth ... It is at this point that he comes upon a winged figure standing with one foot in a brook, the other on a rock. The radiant creature pours something from one flask into another. Drawing closer, the Fool sees that what is being poured from one flask is fire, while water flows from the other. The two are being blended together!

'How can you mix fire and water?' the Fool finally whispers. Never pausing the Angel answers, 'You must have the right vessels and the right proportions.' The Fool watches with wonder. 'Can this be done with all opposites?' he asks. 'Indeed,' the Angel replies, 'Any oppositions, fire and water, man and woman, thesis and anti-thesis, can be made to harmonize. It is only a lack of will, a disbelief in the possibility of unity, that keeps opposites, opposite.' And that is when the Fool begins to understand that he is the one who is keeping his universe in twain, holding life/death, material world and spiritual world separate. In him, the two could merge, as in the vessels that the Angel uses to pour the elements, one to the other. All it takes, the Fool realizes, is the right proportions....and the right vessel."

Abookamongstthemany

http://www.accessnewage.com/Articles/astro/ageaq1.htm

http://www.sculptors.com/~salsbury/Articles/singularity.html

http://youtube.com/watch?v=57xGN0bGkhk

angelica

Abookamongstthemany wrote:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=57xGN0bGkhk

I love this video every time I see it. I recently watched it on your myspace!

WindNoSail

Drummer98136 wrote:

Thanks so much everyone for sharing such positive responses. I enjoyed the youtubes. they were all so appropriate.

Yeah, lucky you it is a rarity around here sometimes:)

oops, sorry

WindNoSail

angelica wrote:

I agree about time. What most people don't realize is that humans have invented the concept of time. Time is not an absolute. It's highly pliable depending on the context. At this time, people are generally enslaved by "time". As we awaken to really understand how time works, and how to be outside of time, paradigms will shift, and new great discoveries will be uncovered! We all are entirely able to get beyond the limits of time at this moment. I do so all the "time"...living from an eternal perspective, which is very different than the linear, commonly accepted stance we buy into now. That is definitely shifting!!

Excuse me, but could you give me 10 minutes (since you can apparently get it back) and explain that to me....not to be a total smartypants but other than E=mc2 what is there that has any plausible scientific theories on time being shifted or shaped. As of yet, I have overslept many times and despite my best efforts I was still late. Isn't time scientifically measured in such things as the speed of light, 186K miles in a second? Doesn't the earth travel around the sun in 365 and 1/4 days, etc? Other than space travel at the speed of light, what is there. I may be wrong but if you left earth for a year and came back when earth had returned to its same position a year later, it would still be a year later.

Just curious, you probably have a good answer.

baraka

I've always wondered if it could be related a pole flip event (magnetic poles, not the geographic ones.) The earth is currently believed to be in a pole flip event. This happens occasionally and is little to worry about except that you'll need to relabel your compass, in a few thousand years. The worst effects that are possible come from the fact that the magnetic field is what deflects charged particles from solar flares and as a result, the effects of these events (which already produce power outages and damage satellites) could be worse.

http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn2152-anomalies-hint-at-magnetic-pole-flip.html

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9803E3DD1E3BF930A25754C0A9629C8B63

kenny olav

2012 ain't nothin. the really awesome shit happens in 2112.

exhibit A