That being said, it doesn't sound to my ears like McCain was at all successful in pinning the traditional "Democrat is weak on foreign policy and dealing with terrorism" aspect.
As we mentioned earlier, it will depend whether McCain was able to successfully paint Obama as naive, inexperienced, or callow in the minds of undecided voters. It doesn't matter what we "decideds" think.
If McCain was unable to do that, and Obama comes off looking like a credible commander-in-chief in a dangerous world, Obama will have gotten what he needed out of the deal.
But I don't know how undecideds think, so I don't know who succeeded.
everybody wants the most they can possibly get
for the least they could possibly do
McCain came off like an arrogant, petty, pathological liar with an infantile mentality.
Obama came off with maturity and class.
And I'm not even an Obama supporter.
McCain was an embarrassment.
you said better than I could have.
sure, being the radical that i am, i have some differences with Obama, but I absolutely want him to win the election. McCain and Palin's buffoonery is just too appalling to deal with.
I think the polls will show Obama taking a stronger lead in the next few days.
I thought they were rather evenly matched, although I have to say that I do agree with Obama's thoughts more. And, given that foreign policy is where McCain is said to hold strength, McCain didn't do as well as I thought he might. I thought Obama did a good job of calling the bullshit, but that he was almost too quick to do it. Next debate, he needs to wait a longer time, I think, to be perceived as letting McCain have his say, however wrong, before interjecting. I think that's more people pleasing, not that Obama was wrong in calling McCain out.
Overall, I think Obama looked more like a leader...he took the lead in everything, including being mindful of the time schedule, greeting Leherer (sp?), etc. He was out in front and out there first. McCain in the campaign has seemed like a real follower...like he waits to see what Obama will do before acting. As usual, Obama is out there thinking and doing first. Of the two, Obama just seems more like a leader and McCain his faithful Guy Friday. From a once-was Girl Friday myself, I think I know what this looks like.
one more point: i thought Gore and Kerry were awful in their debates against Bush. i mean, how the fuck do you not out-debate George W Bush???? Obama could have done it easily.
But I don't know how undecideds think, so I don't know who succeeded.
There's so much information and stimulus out there now that it's hard to see any debates as being blowouts anymore. It's not like Kennedy/Nixon anymore when it was all they would talk about on TV for the whole week, giving a judgment. For every huffingtonpost saying Obama won there is a National Review saying McCain won. With all the information abound, I don't see anymore blowouts. And someone would be blindly partisan to say that there was a blowout tonight.
McCain came off like an arrogant, petty, pathological liar with an infantile mentality.
Obama came off with maturity and class.
And I'm not even an Obama supporter.
McCain was an embarrassment.
Absolutely agree with this.
You can fool all the people some of the time, and some of the people all the time, but you cannot fool all the people all the time...McCain looks sick as fuck. Take that from someone who deals with sick people all the time. Somethings not right with him.
The sister of my best friend has a four year old who is the biggest, most obnoxious, spoiled and rude brat I have ever seen. I can't remember ever seeing a kid that bratty and douchey, in my life.
The sister of my best friend has a four year old who is the biggest, most obnoxious, spoiled and rude brat I have ever seen. I can't remember ever seeing a kid that bratty and douchey, in my life.
McCain mimiced that four year old to a tee.
Most pundits seem to think Obama was the one who seemed a flustered. But what do I know?
These things are all in the eye of the beholder.
everybody wants the most they can possibly get
for the least they could possibly do
The sister of my best friend has a four year old who is the biggest, most obnoxious, spoiled and rude brat I have ever seen. I can't remember ever seeing a kid that bratty and douchey, in my life.
The sister of my best friend has a four year old who is the biggest, most obnoxious, spoiled and rude brat I have ever seen. I can't remember ever seeing a kid that bratty and douchey, in my life.
McCain mimiced that four year old to a tee.
Does that 4 yr old have a creepy uncomfortable smile?
one thing that bugged me a bit, and it really has no bearing one way or the other as far as who did a better job, was obama kept referring to mccain as "john", while mccain showed a little more respect by referring to obama as "senator obama". he didn't do it every time, i did hear a couple "senator mccain"'s, but they were few and far between.
just an irreverant nugget that i noticed. carry on.
Definitely not worse than the fact that Obama looked at him in various occasions addressed him in a direct manner and Senator McCain couldn't find it in himself to look at his opponent....
"Without the album covers, where do you clean your pot?" - EV
how long before someone makes a YouTube video mixing in the moment from this debate where McCain pulled a nutty trying to pronounce Ahmadinejad ? i say less than 24 hours. and they need to get him talking about his pen too - "this is an old one"
how long before someone makes a YouTube video mixing in the moment from this debate where McCain pulled a nutty trying to pronounce Ahmadinejad ? i say less than 24 hours. and they need to get him talking about his pen too - "this is an old one"
Someone apparently has made a montage video of all the times Obama said "John is right."
everybody wants the most they can possibly get
for the least they could possibly do
There wasn't much new as far as substance, and each had their highs and lows. I would say that it was a push and depending on your ideology it could go either way. I think that helps McCain right now though.
That said, maybe since Clinton/Dole, I can't remember a debate with two completely different personalities/philosophies.
McCain framed everything in terms of the past, and was very dismissive/condescending toward Obama at times. Obama however, made just about everything in terms of the future, and seemed much more open and cooperative than "Mr. Bipartisan" McCain.
My whole life
was like a picture
of a sunny day
“We can complain because rose bushes have thorns, or rejoice because thorn bushes have roses.”
― Abraham Lincoln
Does that 4 yr old have a creepy uncomfortable smile?
No, the four year old doesn't have that creepy " I just butt fucked your poodle against his will and now I'm going to fondle the cat" ....shit eating grin.
Never felt nervous, but did feel kinda sick. As for who won?..Probably Obama, but it's not hard to beat McCain. Obama showed that he is faaaaar from a good candidate. But showed that he was better than McCain. All that matters right?
I think it's very sad that the debate is limited to only the dems and the republicans. having a third party candidate wouldve been great. I'm sure that most dems and republicans on the Train would agree with that. maybe?
But most avg Americans would not, well they have not demanded it in any event so it's probably not a big concern for them, even if it would improve american politics. Americans never having any balance.
That's why it's always falling over, no balance at all. Like a drunk.
anyway, can't wait for the vice debates. That should be a riot.
I've flipped through some networks like PBS and CNN (God knows I'm avoiding Hannity like the plague). It seems like pundits think this is pretty even-handed. I think this probably helps both candidates. A good debate performance probably helps people forget about all the weird stuff coming out of the McCain camp this week, and Obama manages to look relatively strong on what most people considered his weakest topic.
No, the four year old doesn't have that creepy " I just butt fucked your poodle against his will and now I'm going to fondle the cat" ....shit eating grin.
Lol
I’m picturing that grin next to the ‘i’m the great decider grin’
*~Pearl Jam will be blasted from speakers until morale improves~*
I've flipped through some networks like PBS and CNN (God knows I'm avoiding Hannity like the plague). It seems like pundits think this is pretty even-handed. I think this probably helps both candidates. A good debate performance probably helps people forget about all the weird stuff coming out of the McCain camp this week, and Obama manages to look relatively strong on what most people considered his weakest topic.
If the undecided voters seem to think Obama came off as credible, then Obama "won" the debate. Or at least won the moment.
Obama is ahead in the polls. He didn't need to knock it out of the park.
If Obama passed the "is he ready?" test in the minds of most people, then he wins the night.
everybody wants the most they can possibly get
for the least they could possibly do
If the undecided voters seem to think Obama came off as credible, then Obama "won" the debate. Or at least won the moment.
Obama is ahead in the polls. He didn't need to knock it out of the park.
If Obama passed the "is he ready?" test in the minds of most people, then he wins the night.
I would agree with that. Since this is a draw, it means that probably people forget about the mess that's been the past few days, and I think that probably benefits McCain more.
I'm surprised that whole mess didn't really come up at all.
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As we mentioned earlier, it will depend whether McCain was able to successfully paint Obama as naive, inexperienced, or callow in the minds of undecided voters. It doesn't matter what we "decideds" think.
If McCain was unable to do that, and Obama comes off looking like a credible commander-in-chief in a dangerous world, Obama will have gotten what he needed out of the deal.
But I don't know how undecideds think, so I don't know who succeeded.
for the least they could possibly do
you said better than I could have.
sure, being the radical that i am, i have some differences with Obama, but I absolutely want him to win the election. McCain and Palin's buffoonery is just too appalling to deal with.
I think the polls will show Obama taking a stronger lead in the next few days.
Wow! You're just as biased as me! lol
for the least they could possibly do
Overall, I think Obama looked more like a leader...he took the lead in everything, including being mindful of the time schedule, greeting Leherer (sp?), etc. He was out in front and out there first. McCain in the campaign has seemed like a real follower...like he waits to see what Obama will do before acting. As usual, Obama is out there thinking and doing first. Of the two, Obama just seems more like a leader and McCain his faithful Guy Friday. From a once-was Girl Friday myself, I think I know what this looks like.
my brother is a pretty hardcore republican and he said McCain sucked. i'll have to see for myself.
There's so much information and stimulus out there now that it's hard to see any debates as being blowouts anymore. It's not like Kennedy/Nixon anymore when it was all they would talk about on TV for the whole week, giving a judgment. For every huffingtonpost saying Obama won there is a National Review saying McCain won. With all the information abound, I don't see anymore blowouts. And someone would be blindly partisan to say that there was a blowout tonight.
They both had some sucky moments and some non-sucky moments. I wasn't left feeling that one triumphed over the other.
I dunno.
Absolutely agree with this.
You can fool all the people some of the time, and some of the people all the time, but you cannot fool all the people all the time...McCain looks sick as fuck. Take that from someone who deals with sick people all the time. Somethings not right with him.
That is so true. So much spin that you can't see straight...
I guess we just have to wait and see who wins the spin cycle, since that's what *really* matters.
The sister of my best friend has a four year old who is the biggest, most obnoxious, spoiled and rude brat I have ever seen. I can't remember ever seeing a kid that bratty and douchey, in my life.
McCain mimiced that four year old to a tee.
Most pundits seem to think Obama was the one who seemed a flustered. But what do I know?
These things are all in the eye of the beholder.
for the least they could possibly do
I think McCain did pretty well, but I expected him to blow Obama out of the water on this.
I don't know if that means anything...but that's what I think. lol
hehehehehe
Does that 4 yr old have a creepy uncomfortable smile?
Definitely not worse than the fact that Obama looked at him in various occasions addressed him in a direct manner and Senator McCain couldn't find it in himself to look at his opponent....
Someone apparently has made a montage video of all the times Obama said "John is right."
for the least they could possibly do
I hate the way Dems fight back. for example Kerry was destroyed by the ‘flip flop’ attack.
John misquoted Obama and while Obama corrected him, I truly don’t think Americans are smart enough to see thru that tactic John used.
That said, maybe since Clinton/Dole, I can't remember a debate with two completely different personalities/philosophies.
McCain framed everything in terms of the past, and was very dismissive/condescending toward Obama at times. Obama however, made just about everything in terms of the future, and seemed much more open and cooperative than "Mr. Bipartisan" McCain.
was like a picture
of a sunny day
“We can complain because rose bushes have thorns, or rejoice because thorn bushes have roses.”
― Abraham Lincoln
I thought it was a bad sign for McCain that this was the anniversary of the Kennedy-Nixon debate ...
for the least they could possibly do
No, the four year old doesn't have that creepy " I just butt fucked your poodle against his will and now I'm going to fondle the cat" ....shit eating grin.
I think it's very sad that the debate is limited to only the dems and the republicans. having a third party candidate wouldve been great. I'm sure that most dems and republicans on the Train would agree with that. maybe?
But most avg Americans would not, well they have not demanded it in any event so it's probably not a big concern for them, even if it would improve american politics. Americans never having any balance.
That's why it's always falling over, no balance at all. Like a drunk.
anyway, can't wait for the vice debates. That should be a riot.
Lol
I’m picturing that grin next to the ‘i’m the great decider grin’
If the undecided voters seem to think Obama came off as credible, then Obama "won" the debate. Or at least won the moment.
Obama is ahead in the polls. He didn't need to knock it out of the park.
If Obama passed the "is he ready?" test in the minds of most people, then he wins the night.
for the least they could possibly do
I agree with this.
I think it was more on McCain to have an incredible night...so a tie, in that respect, is kind of a loss.
I would agree with that. Since this is a draw, it means that probably people forget about the mess that's been the past few days, and I think that probably benefits McCain more.
I'm surprised that whole mess didn't really come up at all.
Bring on the moose-killer.