In a debate on foreign policy, that is exactly the right tact to take.
(Personally, I think it's perfectly fair. Obama IS in over his head when it comes to foreign policy, IMO. But that's only my personal belief).
When they start talking economy, I fully expect Obama to take the "McCain's out of touch because of all those houses" tact.
Maybe it's just a partisan thing, but I just feel that getting a foreign policy lecture from someone who authorized to go into Iraq is pretty laughable. But that's just me.
I'm seeing what alot of people are saying, if you like McCain, McCain's doing better. If you like Obama, you'll probably say Obama's doing better. Partisans will see what they want to see (see StrangestTribe above).
I guess so...because what I see is Obama being aggresive...effective and to the point. McCain on the other hand seems to be flustered a bit and not as confident in his answers.
"Had my eyes peeled both wide open, and I got a glimpse...of my innocense, got back my inner sence, baby got it...still got it"
They're equal right now, but I think McCain's leaving plenty of open spaces for Obama to hit, and he's not doing so. He's got to do better at that.
I think as far as seeming like Commander-in-Chief, Obama's doing pretty well. He does not seem weak at all.
I kind of think, at times, McCain IS making Obama look naive ... but I fully admit that I'm biased, I ALREADY think Obama is naive in this area, and I am terrible at scoring debates.
IMO, a lot of the times, McCain has looked like the teacher to Obama's student. Or at least been able to frame himself that way.
But what do I know? I guess the polls will tell the ultimate answer over the next few days.
everybody wants the most they can possibly get
for the least they could possibly do
Maybe it's just a partisan thing, but I just feel that getting a foreign policy lecture from someone who authorized to go into Iraq is pretty laughable. But that's just me.
That's a perfectly legitimate argument.
everybody wants the most they can possibly get
for the least they could possibly do
I kind of think, at times, McCain IS making Obama look naive ... but I fully admit that I'm biased, I ALREADY think Obama is naive in this area, and I am terrible at scoring debates.
IMO, a lot of the times, McCain has looked like the teacher to Obama's student. Or at least been able to frame himself that way.
But what do I know? I guess the polls will tell the ultimate answer over the next few days.
I think you may be biased. I think McCain may be slightly winning, but it's hard for me to envision anyone saying Obama came off as weak or uninformed.
Not that it is my problem... or place to talk about this.
McCain looks like he will be another Bush gvmt all over again... war, excuses, oil, war, oill... the point that people should by their own health care??? Ridiculous.. we do that in Brazil and we HATE that. It has held us hostage of big ensurance corporations. The public service is worst than never... and the argument is that everyone should have a private health ensurance... What do we pay taxes for? Goverments are ridiculous.
For Brazil it's better that McCain wins... McCain loves oil and nuclear energy... Obama talks too much about Bio Diesel.. and we hope we are going to dominate that area. =D
Sorry to medle in
Well, I think since the US has given itself the right to stick our nose in everyone else's business, everyone else should get a say in ours...
I think you may be biased. I think McCain may be slightly winning, but it's hard for me to envision anyone saying Obama came off as weak or uninformed.
I'm fully willing to admit that.
I thought Obama did pretty well at first, when talk was about the economy. It was when it turned to foreign policy that I think McCain was able to land some blows.
"You don't say that out loud!" to me is the line of this debate, mostly because it makes Obama look (fairly or not) that he doesn't know what it means to be commander-in-chief.
everybody wants the most they can possibly get
for the least they could possibly do
Not that it is my problem... or place to talk about this.
McCain looks like he will be another Bush gvmt all over again... war, excuses, oil, war, oill... the point that people should by their own health care??? Ridiculous.. we do that in Brazil and we HATE that. It has held us hostage of big ensurance corporations. The public service is worst than never... and the argument is that everyone should have a private health ensurance... What do we pay taxes for? Goverments are ridiculous.
For Brazil it's better that McCain wins... McCain loves oil and nuclear energy... Obama talks too much about Bio Diesel.. and we hope we are going to dominate that area. =D
Sorry to medle in
If you'll send the DNC your email address, the Democrats will probably register you to vote
everybody wants the most they can possibly get
for the least they could possibly do
one thing that bugged me a bit, and it really has no bearing one way or the other as far as who did a better job, was obama kept referring to mccain as "john", while mccain showed a little more respect by referring to obama as "senator obama". he didn't do it every time, i did hear a couple "senator mccain"'s, but they were few and far between.
just an irreverant nugget that i noticed. carry on.
one thing that bugged me a bit, and it really has no bearing one way or the other as far as who did a better job, was obama kept referring to mccain as "john", while mccain showed a little more respect by referring to obama as "senator obama". he didn't do it every time, i did hear a couple "senator mccain"'s, but they were few and far between.
just an irreverant nugget that i noticed. carry on.
That's been noted on some of the other live blogs I've been following. I don't know that it will make any difference ... but it was a little odd to my ears.
everybody wants the most they can possibly get
for the least they could possibly do
McCain, at probably about seven or eight times throughout the night, said something that was untrue, and when it came time for Obama to speak, he had to begin by saying "McCain's saying I said this, what I did say was this..." which may be factually true but makes Obama look like he's picking around his words and acting Kerry-like (I voted for the war before I voted against it). It puts Obama on the defensive, because he has to correct lies but it sounds less commanding.
It's crap that telling the lies makes you seem more presidential, but there it is.
That being said, it doesn't sound to my ears like McCain was at all successful in pinning the traditional "Democrat is weak on foreign policy and dealing with terrorism" aspect.
McCain, at probably about seven or eight times throughout the night, said something that was untrue, and when it came time for Obama to speak, he had to begin by saying "McCain's saying I said this, what I did say was this..." which may be factually true but makes Obama look like he's picking around his words and acting Kerry-like (I voted for the war before I voted against it). It puts Obama on the defensive, because he has to correct lies but it sounds less commanding.
It's crap that telling the lies makes you seem more presidential, but there it is.
It's especially nerve-racking when you are a huge supporter of one of the candidates. This debate probably means more than most people realize. I hope the ratings are VERY high.
I absolutely agree...
I was a nervous wreck, I'm downed 3 beers ( and I don't usually drink) .. though I think Senator Obama was absolutely wonderful and shame on Senator McCain for acting like he didnt have a human being right next to him!
Senator McCain will it kill you actually look at someone that's addressing you directly? once again shame on you!
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If it works, it works.
They're equal right now, but I think McCain's leaving plenty of open spaces for Obama to hit, and he's not doing so. He's got to do better at that.
I think as far as seeming like Commander-in-Chief, Obama's doing pretty well. He does not seem weak at all.
Maybe it's just a partisan thing, but I just feel that getting a foreign policy lecture from someone who authorized to go into Iraq is pretty laughable. But that's just me.
I guess so...because what I see is Obama being aggresive...effective and to the point. McCain on the other hand seems to be flustered a bit and not as confident in his answers.
I kind of think, at times, McCain IS making Obama look naive ... but I fully admit that I'm biased, I ALREADY think Obama is naive in this area, and I am terrible at scoring debates.
IMO, a lot of the times, McCain has looked like the teacher to Obama's student. Or at least been able to frame himself that way.
But what do I know? I guess the polls will tell the ultimate answer over the next few days.
for the least they could possibly do
If Obama is in way over his head on Foreign policy then McCain should be running away with this, right?
When clearly he is not, right?
That's a perfectly legitimate argument.
for the least they could possibly do
I don't think anything is clear, and I don't think anybody knows. We'll see what the polls say in the next several days.
for the least they could possibly do
I think you may be biased. I think McCain may be slightly winning, but it's hard for me to envision anyone saying Obama came off as weak or uninformed.
Well, I think since the US has given itself the right to stick our nose in everyone else's business, everyone else should get a say in ours...
I'm fully willing to admit that.
I thought Obama did pretty well at first, when talk was about the economy. It was when it turned to foreign policy that I think McCain was able to land some blows.
"You don't say that out loud!" to me is the line of this debate, mostly because it makes Obama look (fairly or not) that he doesn't know what it means to be commander-in-chief.
for the least they could possibly do
If you'll send the DNC your email address, the Democrats will probably register you to vote
for the least they could possibly do
just an irreverant nugget that i noticed. carry on.
~D.K.S.
That's been noted on some of the other live blogs I've been following. I don't know that it will make any difference ... but it was a little odd to my ears.
for the least they could possibly do
SPIN SPIN...SPIN THE POLITICAL BULLSHIT!
Is Hannity on yet?
lol....yup!
lol, just watch some msnbc. you'll feel better, I promise, lol
i agree. but i wouldn't tell you i agreed.
that yeah, for some reason i didn't like that tactic either.
Obama came off with maturity and class.
And I'm not even an Obama supporter.
McCain was an embarrassment.
msnbc thinks obama won
watching fucks blews now mccain won
:eek:
McCain, at probably about seven or eight times throughout the night, said something that was untrue, and when it came time for Obama to speak, he had to begin by saying "McCain's saying I said this, what I did say was this..." which may be factually true but makes Obama look like he's picking around his words and acting Kerry-like (I voted for the war before I voted against it). It puts Obama on the defensive, because he has to correct lies but it sounds less commanding.
It's crap that telling the lies makes you seem more presidential, but there it is.
I concur
http://forums.pearljam.com/showthread.php?p=5889130#post5889130
I absolutely agree...
I was a nervous wreck, I'm downed 3 beers ( and I don't usually drink) .. though I think Senator Obama was absolutely wonderful and shame on Senator McCain for acting like he didnt have a human being right next to him!
Senator McCain will it kill you actually look at someone that's addressing you directly? once again shame on you!