bullllllllllllllllll shit...they are funding the war with your money and you dont even know it.... the money you will be getting is stolen from others.. its like the bizzaro robin hood
how do you figure? If it was a tax credit I'd agree. This is a tax cut right? That means they are deducting the money from the taxes you have paid in. Then again, I'm not really sure how it's being doled out either seems a lot more like a credit. They usually do try and fudge the language around these types of vote buying programs especially when thier name is attached to the Republican party.
Everyone pretty much agrees that this is a ridiculous idea. I'd rather he spend 800 dollars to 1600 dollars less for every man woman and child. That'd be more effective. Hell put all mine on the deficit. This is a consumer confidence ploy. I'm hoping people pay down thier debt. He's hoping that too I guess but I don't see that happening either.
My Girlfriend said to me..."How many guitars do you need?" and I replied...."How many pairs of shoes do you need?" She got really quiet.
This makes no sense at all. It is already your money. So if you won't spend this on anything, why would you spend any of your other money on anything? Are you actually saying you never spend any money on goods? Wow.
yes i spend money on goods...but im not going to spend money a war mongerer gives me because he wants me to continue supporting a war...you know what this looks like around the world...its a big fuck you.
how do you figure? If it was a tax credit I'd agree. This is a tax cut right?
Everyone pretty much agrees that this is a ridiculous idea. I'd rather he spend 800 dollars to 1600 dollars less for every man woman and child. That'd be more effective. This is a consumer confidence ploy. I'm hoping people pay down thier debt. He's hoping that too I guess but I don't see that happening either.
you cannnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnot make tax cuts while you are in debt becasuse of a warrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
how do you explain this to the saudis...and to china.....we are digging ourselves deeper into their hands.....
we are pretty much laying down and saying.....tell us whats best for us.
you cannnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnot make tax cuts while you are in debt becasuse of a warrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
how do you explain this to the saudis...and to china.....we are digging ourselves deeper into their hands.....
we are pretty much laying down and saying.....tell us whats best for us.
ah, ok. understood. we are on the same page now. cheers.
My Girlfriend said to me..."How many guitars do you need?" and I replied...."How many pairs of shoes do you need?" She got really quiet.
hehe me too! if we could get a lot of people on here to pool the money together...we could probably buy a nuclear weapon and declare ourselves independent..of course our first order of action would have to lead to turning jlew over to the mexican federales
They would just pimp him out in the back room of some seedy jail to get stubborn inmates to cough up their ATM codes. (hooh boy that's a lot of dry friction in a pretty sensitive spot...) Besides he'd never be seen again and we couldn't rip on him here anymore.
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
If anyone tears theirs up, all it does is cost the govt more $$ to send you a notice that the check has not been cashed. Even though I think the $$ should be used to pay-down the national debt, if they choose to give it to the taxpayers, then I feel that we should spend the money, as opposed to the govt allocating it to some program that is inefficient and ineffective.
If you are truly against the rebates, why not donate the money to a charity, or a group that voices your specific political beliefs?
That's not the proper anti-Bush mentality. The proper way to think is that all money belongs to the Government. The working citizens are nothing more than individual entitlement program recipients and the part of our salary that the Government is nice enough to pay to us is all just a bonus.
I don't know about you, but that package for the people, single and/or married really doesn't even qualify as a bonus, except for the fact that it is a one-time deal.
SIN EATERS--We take the moral excrement we find in this equation and we bury it down deep inside of us so that the rest of our case can stay pure. That is the job. We are morally indefensible and absolutely necessary.
I don't know about you, but that package for the people, single and/or married really doesn't even qualify as a bonus, except for the fact that it is a one-time deal.
That, specifically, is not the only bonus. The Government is kind enough to allow me to take home a portion of their money each month as well. Some may call this my salary. I have learned from here though that it is not truly a salary. It is a bonus allowed to me by the Government.
That, specifically, is not the only bonus. The Government is kind enough to allow me to take home a portion of their money each month as well. Some may call this my salary. I have learned from here though that it is not truly a salary. It is a bonus allowed to me by the Government.
and what do you call Government bailouts of failing corporations? Everyone should spend their rebates as they see fit, but don't act like it is bonus. To me, this is
-money overdue the people as they watched, unable to do anything as corporations, and warmonger defense contractors wasted the "people's" money with NO consequences to their businesses.
-money overdue, as people watched 1/2 million and million dollar bonuses awarded to departing CEOs of failing companies that left thousands of people without jobs or retirement packages.
He could have kept those one time rebates and given the people something they really needed to help turn this economy around.
January through March
-all utility bills up to 50% of the total will be tax deductible over a certain amount.
-all mortgage and rents up to 50% of the total will be tax deductible over a certain amount.
-all gas purchases up to 50% of the total over a certain amount.
SIN EATERS--We take the moral excrement we find in this equation and we bury it down deep inside of us so that the rest of our case can stay pure. That is the job. We are morally indefensible and absolutely necessary.
Actually if you think about it, most of us will be getting more than our fair share of the money. Because essentially we paid this money proportionally to our income and we are getting it back as a fixed amount. So a guy who made $2Mil last year paid a bunch more taxes than the guy who earned $30,000, but both will be getting the same amount back. This is really a redistribution of wealth to the less wealthy.
Which by the way makes sense, since $800 won't change how a rich person spends their money, but it definitely will affect how a poor person will.
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... So a guy who made $2Mil last year paid a bunch more taxes than the guy who earned $30,000, but both will be getting the same amount back. ... $800 won't change how a rich person spends their money, but it definitely will affect how a poor person will.
part of the reason i posed this question in the first place ... i think it is a waste of good money.
btw, are we going to be taxed on this money?
I don't want to be hostile. I don't want to be dismal. But I don't want to rot in an apathetic existance either.
part of the reason i posed this question in the first place ... i think it is a waste of good money.
btw, are we going to be taxed on this money?
Well it's not a waste in the sense that now this money will get spent. Had the money remained in the hands of the rich, it would not have been spent, or at least not as much.
And so more people spending money is what is going to help spur the economy.
You will be taxed with sales tax when you spend it, but I don't know if they will tax it as income (or even worse as a bonus!).
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and what do you call Government bailouts of failing corporations? Everyone should spend their rebates as they see fit, but don't act like it is bonus. To me, this is
-money overdue the people as they watched, unable to do anything as corporations, and warmonger defense contractors wasted the "people's" money with NO consequences to their businesses.
-money overdue, as people watched 1/2 million and million dollar bonuses awarded to departing CEOs of failing companies that left thousands of people without jobs or retirement packages.
He could have kept those one time rebates and given the people something they really needed to help turn this economy around.
January through March
-all utility bills up to 50% of the total will be tax deductible over a certain amount.
-all mortgage and rents up to 50% of the total will be tax deductible over a certain amount.
-all gas purchases up to 50% of the total over a certain amount.
I guess sarcasm really doesn't work on the internet.
It is not a bonus. It is a refund of our money. Much like that money that some people get back when they file their taxes. That is what you overpaid. They are kind enough to give it back to you without interest. Now, if you hand your money over to them a day late, you get penalties AND interest.
What it comes down to is it is better to at least give the people some of their money back rather than throw it into another bureaucratic black hole.
I agree with all of those ideas there. In fact, I would like to see all of those become 100% deductible. Hell, I think people should keep as much of their hard earned money as they possibly can rather than having five months' salary go directly to a bloated bureaucracy.
What I have seen around this board over the years though is that tax cuts, credits, deductions, rebates, etc...do not put more of a person's OWN money in their pockets. Instead, these are all seen as a government expense and a waste of "government" money.
the proposed rebate is similar to taking a cash advance on your credit card...its money in your pocket now, but you have to pay it back later!
I wonder what govt programs they will cut in order to fund the rebate? Most govt programs help low income individuals, so in the long run, they will suffer, while the higher income people who use less govt services are the ones who truly benefit.
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how do you figure? If it was a tax credit I'd agree. This is a tax cut right? That means they are deducting the money from the taxes you have paid in. Then again, I'm not really sure how it's being doled out either seems a lot more like a credit. They usually do try and fudge the language around these types of vote buying programs especially when thier name is attached to the Republican party.
Everyone pretty much agrees that this is a ridiculous idea. I'd rather he spend 800 dollars to 1600 dollars less for every man woman and child. That'd be more effective. Hell put all mine on the deficit. This is a consumer confidence ploy. I'm hoping people pay down thier debt. He's hoping that too I guess but I don't see that happening either.
Umm...Robin Hood stole from others too. That was his schtick.
yes i spend money on goods...but im not going to spend money a war mongerer gives me because he wants me to continue supporting a war...you know what this looks like around the world...its a big fuck you.
you cannnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnot make tax cuts while you are in debt becasuse of a warrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
how do you explain this to the saudis...and to china.....we are digging ourselves deeper into their hands.....
we are pretty much laying down and saying.....tell us whats best for us.
ah, ok. understood. we are on the same page now. cheers.
i love you by the way
They would just pimp him out in the back room of some seedy jail to get stubborn inmates to cough up their ATM codes. (hooh boy that's a lot of dry friction in a pretty sensitive spot...)
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
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If you are truly against the rebates, why not donate the money to a charity, or a group that voices your specific political beliefs?
exactly.
I don't know about you, but that package for the people, single and/or married really doesn't even qualify as a bonus, except for the fact that it is a one-time deal.
and go on with my life....
Till there aint nothing left worth taking away from me.....
That, specifically, is not the only bonus. The Government is kind enough to allow me to take home a portion of their money each month as well. Some may call this my salary. I have learned from here though that it is not truly a salary. It is a bonus allowed to me by the Government.
speedy is my hero
if my man Mr. Bush decides to send me a check for $800.....
im going to be a true american......
and go to mexico for a week and help out their economy by spending it all there......
cuz thats just the kind of guy i am.........
Till there aint nothing left worth taking away from me.....
and what do you call Government bailouts of failing corporations? Everyone should spend their rebates as they see fit, but don't act like it is bonus. To me, this is
-money overdue the people as they watched, unable to do anything as corporations, and warmonger defense contractors wasted the "people's" money with NO consequences to their businesses.
-money overdue, as people watched 1/2 million and million dollar bonuses awarded to departing CEOs of failing companies that left thousands of people without jobs or retirement packages.
He could have kept those one time rebates and given the people something they really needed to help turn this economy around.
January through March
-all utility bills up to 50% of the total will be tax deductible over a certain amount.
-all mortgage and rents up to 50% of the total will be tax deductible over a certain amount.
-all gas purchases up to 50% of the total over a certain amount.
Which by the way makes sense, since $800 won't change how a rich person spends their money, but it definitely will affect how a poor person will.
Bridge School '06 Night 1 & 2
Venice '07 pummeled by the sleet!
Nijmegen '07
Werchter '07
April Fools ~ LA1
part of the reason i posed this question in the first place ... i think it is a waste of good money.
btw, are we going to be taxed on this money?
Well it's not a waste in the sense that now this money will get spent. Had the money remained in the hands of the rich, it would not have been spent, or at least not as much.
And so more people spending money is what is going to help spur the economy.
You will be taxed with sales tax when you spend it, but I don't know if they will tax it as income (or even worse as a bonus!).
Bridge School '06 Night 1 & 2
Venice '07 pummeled by the sleet!
Nijmegen '07
Werchter '07
April Fools ~ LA1
that's probably who we are borrowing it from.
I guess sarcasm really doesn't work on the internet.
It is not a bonus. It is a refund of our money. Much like that money that some people get back when they file their taxes. That is what you overpaid. They are kind enough to give it back to you without interest. Now, if you hand your money over to them a day late, you get penalties AND interest.
What it comes down to is it is better to at least give the people some of their money back rather than throw it into another bureaucratic black hole.
I agree with all of those ideas there. In fact, I would like to see all of those become 100% deductible. Hell, I think people should keep as much of their hard earned money as they possibly can rather than having five months' salary go directly to a bloated bureaucracy.
What I have seen around this board over the years though is that tax cuts, credits, deductions, rebates, etc...do not put more of a person's OWN money in their pockets. Instead, these are all seen as a government expense and a waste of "government" money.
I wonder what govt programs they will cut in order to fund the rebate? Most govt programs help low income individuals, so in the long run, they will suffer, while the higher income people who use less govt services are the ones who truly benefit.
There we go.
You doctored my words, doctor!
Yeah. I figured I would get to what you were really trying to say.
I'll express my thoughts, and you can express yours....deal?
No deal. I know what you think better than you do.
Wow, thats a scary thought!
oops.....double post
oops...triple post!