Question for McCain suppporters

YieldInHiding

jeffbr wrote:

Yup. That list is stupid. Every congress critter "sponsors" plenty of legislation. It is a completely different story to author or draft legslation, and to guide it through to passage.

How long is that list for Obama?

Actually there were quite a few that had no co-sponsors. Just click on the link of each one to see details.

slightofjeff

DesignVHL wrote:

i just got this email from moveon.org....how does this resonate?

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It's a small point, but Palin ended up being almost single-handedly responsible for stopping construction on the Bridge to Nowhere.

So that angle is hogwash.

I can't really argue that the McCain "sex-ed" bill wasn't complete bullshit. Although I would be interested to learn how "sex-ed for kindergarteners" became linked to a bill to stop child predators. I'm not even being a smart-ass here. I'd really like to know.

YieldInHiding

digster wrote:

Maybe I'm not understanding what you're trying to say here. Are you saying that's what the sponsor does, or are you saying that's what the author of the bill does? I think we're all, myself included, getting our terminology confused. Obama introduced all those bills to the Senate floor; isn't that one of the signature elements of driving legislation?

Obama's list of U.S. Senate accomplishments is not as long as McCain's, since the latter is one of the most senior members of the Senate. Who's saying that list is as long?

Here's McCain's list

http://www.govtrack.us/congress/person.xpd?id=300071

jeffbr

digster wrote:

Maybe I'm not understanding what you're trying to say here. Are you saying that's what the sponsor does, or are you saying that's what the author of the bill does? I think we're all, myself included, getting our terminology confused. Obama introduced all those bills to the Senate floor; isn't that one of the signature elements of driving legislation?

Obama's list of U.S. Senate accomplishments is not as long as McCain's, since the latter is one of the most senior members of the Senate. Who's saying that list is as long?

Sorry, I must be confused then. I saw it as a list of bills he's been a "sponsor" of. I didn't realize he had introduced each of them. If each of those bills were bills he specifically had drafted and introduced to the floor then that is different than just signing on to a bill. I'll have to go back and reread the list.

digster

jeffbr wrote:

Sorry, I must be confused then. I saw it as a list of bills he's been a "sponsor" of. I didn't realize he had introduced each of them. If each of those bills were bills he specifically had drafted and introduced to the floor then that is different than just signing on to a bill. I'll have to go back and reread the list.

I haven't gone to the original website, but from the looks of what that poster copy and pasted Obama introduced each and every one of those bills to the floor.

I mean, to be fair, he has been there for four years. That's not McCain, but it's enough time to get some significant legislation passed and alot more scheduled for debate. Obama, though has the problem of any first term senator; it's like being a freshman at a frathouse. And I don't believe the Presidency should work as a reward for "paying your dues."

yoke

whats the question?

MattyJoe

digster wrote:

I haven't gone to the original website, but from the looks of what that poster copy and pasted Obama introduced each and every one of those bills to the floor.

However, he didn't write a single one of them.

digster

MattyJoe wrote:

However, he didn't write a single one of them.

And here we are back at square one again...I don't know if this is what you mean, and feel free to correct me if you're saying something different; but SENATORS DON'T SIT DOWN AND WRITE THE LEGISLATION. They craft it, build coalitions. Maybe I'm missing a step here, but if Obama didn't 'craft' the legislation that he himself introduced to the floor, which senators did, and why wouldn't those senators introduce it? Again, I could simply be misunderstanding your point.

inmytree

slightofjeff wrote:

It's a small point, but Palin ended up being almost single-handedly responsible for stopping construction on the Bridge to Nowhere.

So that angle is hogwash.

I can't really argue that the McCain "sex-ed" bill wasn't complete bullshit. Although I would be interested to learn how "sex-ed for kindergarteners" became linked to a bill to stop child predators. I'm not even being a smart-ass here. I'd really like to know.

she "stopped" the bridge to nowhere because the federal funding dried up...basically she was forced to stop the project...

Thecure

YieldInHiding wrote:

No, that wasn't the question.

However, I agree that McCain did do a lot of good bi-partisan work earlier in his career and should be commended for it. On the other hand, when he sells out completely to the republican party to gain a position of power, he loses all credibility to me.

i know that it wasn't the questioins but i think it is a better question. also, i agree that mcCain did sell out somewhat but to say that he did good bi-partisan work early in his career is not really true. he still had teh bill on immigration that he worked with Ted Kennedy on. (maybe Ted forgot that)

stupidcorporatewhore

spyguy wrote:

is this one your favorite?

http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=s110-1430


what a war mongering neo-con

sanctions qualify as war mongering?

hmm, news to me.

sounds more like........


foriegn policy

you know, the thing conservatives keep saying Obama doesn't have.

slightofjeff

inmytree wrote:

she "stopped" the bridge to nowhere because the federal funding dried up...basically she was forced to stop the project...

No, that is incorrect.

YieldInHiding

slightofjeff wrote:

No, that is incorrect.

Gotta link to support that?

stupidcorporatewhore

slightofjeff wrote:

No, that is incorrect.

No, that is correct.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26486063/

inmytree

slightofjeff wrote:

No, that is incorrect.

from here:

http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/09/22/alaska.bridge.ap/

"Gov. Sarah Palin said Friday the project was $329 million short of full funding."