Question for McCain suppporters

YieldInHiding

does his lack of having any real policies of his own worry you?

and also, if he is such an advocate of change, why did he choose to have Karl Rove assist with his campaign and select a big oil supporting, pork spending, radical religious fundamentalist for his VP?


(before you all flip your lid that I am a bleeding heart liberal, I am simply asking a question. I am waiting until after the debates to decide who to vote for but this is a very big concern of mine regarding McCain)


Works both ways, spyguy.

spyguy

YieldInHiding wrote:

does his lack of having any real policies of his own worry you?

and also, if he is such an advocate of change, why did he choose to have Karl Rove assist with his campaign and select a big oil supporting, pork spending, radical religious fundamentalist for his VP?

great attempt at baiting. at least I asked a valid question

YieldInHiding wrote:

(before you all flip your lid that I am a bleeding heart liberal, I am simply asking a question. I am waiting until after the debates to decide who to vote for but this is a very big concern of mine regarding McCain)


Works both ways, spyguy.

actually it doesnt because you are an admitted bleeding heart liberal and you are not waiting until after the debates to decide.

see the difference?

YieldInHiding

spyguy wrote:

great attempt at baiting. at least I asked a valid question




actually it doesnt because you are an admitted bleeding heart liberal and you are not waiting until after the debates to decide.

see the difference?

My question is just as valid.

True, I've already made the decision that I'm not going to vote for McCain, and the reason I'm not voting for him is because of his attacks on Obama that have nothing to do with his policies. When John McCain wants to fight a fair fight, then I will listen to him.

Then again, I would have to determine if it is 2000 John McCain talking or the 2008 version.

I'm not a bleeding heart liberal and have not said anywhere on this board that I am. I am for the due process of debating policies and voters making a decision on which policies make the most sense for America. However, John McCain doesn't want to play that game. He thinks whoever can sling the most mud will win. Of course he learned this back in 2000 when Rove made him GWB's biotch with multiple, multiple personal attacks. Thus, Obama has my vote.

catch22

spyguy wrote:

great attempt at baiting. at least I asked a valid question

actually, his is a valid question, and one i have myself. i don't know anything about any of the rest. the palin pick kinda sealed my decision to vote obama though.

spyguy

catch22 wrote:

actually, his is a valid question, and one i have myself. i don't know anything about any of the rest. the palin pick kinda sealed my decision to vote obama though.

does his lack of having any real policies of his own worry you?

this is a valid question? how about giving a specific example. and why can the same thing not be said about obama?

heres a question, what bills in congress has obama written?

YieldInHiding

spyguy wrote:

does his lack of having any real policies of his own worry you?

this is a valid question? how about giving a specific example. and why can the same thing not be said about obama?

heres a question, what bills in congress has obama written?

You must not be too good with the Google.

http://www.govtrack.us/congress/person.xpd?id=400629&tab=bills

Bills in 2007-2008 (the 110th Congress) sponsored by Obama:

Status Bill
Passed Senate
Jun 26, 2007 S.Con.Res. 25: A concurrent resolution condemning the recent violent actions of the Government of Zimbabwe against peaceful opposition party activists and members of civil society.
Passed Senate
Jun 24, 2008 S.Res. 600: A resolution commemorating the 44th anniversary of the deaths of civil rights workers Andrew Goodman, James Chaney, and Michael Schwerner in Philadelphia, Mississippi, while working in the name of American democracy to register voters and secure civil rights during the summer of 1964, which has become known as "Freedom Summer".
Passed Senate
Jul 13, 2007 S.Res. 268: A resolution designating July 12, 2007, as "National Summer Learning Day".
Passed Senate
Mar 28, 2007 S.Res. 133: A resolution celebrating the life of Bishop Gilbert Earl Patterson.
Scheduled for Debate
Apr 24, 2008 S. 2433: Global Poverty Act of 2007
Scheduled for Debate
Oct 4, 2007 S. 453: Deceptive Practices and Voter Intimidation Prevention Act of 2007
Introduced
Jul 29, 2008 S. 3358: Improving Food-borne Illness Surveillance and Response Act of 2008
Introduced
Jun 17, 2008 S. 3142: Preventing Stillbirth and SUID Act of 2008
Introduced
Jun 3, 2008 S. 3077: Strengthening Transparency and Accountability in Federal Spending Act of 2008
Introduced
May 21, 2008 S. 3047: Enhancing Science, Technology, Engineering, and Mathematics Education Act of 2008
Introduced
Dec 19, 2007 S. 2519: Contracting and Tax Accountability Act of 2007
Introduced
Dec 6, 2007 S. 2428: National STEM Scholarship Database Act
Introduced
Nov 16, 2007 S. 2392: National STEM Scholarship Database Act
Introduced
Nov 13, 2007 S. 2347: Prevention Through Affordable Access Act
Introduced
Nov 8, 2007 S. 2330: Veterans Homelessness Prevention Act
Introduced
Oct 24, 2007 S. 2227: Success in the Middle Act of 2007
Introduced
Oct 24, 2007 S. 2224: Nuclear Release Notice Act of 2007
Introduced
Oct 18, 2007 S. 2202: Renewable Fuel Standard Extension Act of 2007
Introduced
Oct 4, 2007 S. 2147: Security Contractor Accountability Act of 2007
Introduced
Oct 3, 2007 S. 2132: A bill to prohibit the introduction or delivery for introduction into interstate commerce of children's products that contain lead, and for other purposes.
Introduced
Sep 27, 2007 S. 2111: Positive Behavior for Effective Schools Act
Introduced
Sep 18, 2007 S. 2066: Back to School: Improving Standards for Nutrition and Physical Education in Schools Act of 2007
Introduced
Sep 12, 2007 S. 2044: Independent Contractor Proper Classification Act of 2007
Introduced
Sep 6, 2007 S. 2030: A bill to amend the Federal Election Campaign Act of 1971 to require reporting relating to bundled contributions made by persons other than registered lobbyists.
Introduced
Aug 3, 2007 S. 1989: Pigford Claims Remedy Act of 2007
Introduced
Aug 2, 2007 S. 1977: Nuclear Weapons Threat Reduction Act of 2007
Introduced
Jul 26, 2007 S. 1885: Military Family Job Protection Act
Introduced
Jul 25, 2007 S. 1873: Improving Emergency Medical Care and Response Act of 2007
Introduced
Jul 19, 2007 S. 1824: Hospital Quality Report Card Act of 2007
Introduced
Jul 19, 2007 S. 1818: Missing Mercury in Manufacturing Monitoring and Mitigation Act
Introduced
Jul 19, 2007 S. 1817: A bill to ensure proper administration of the discharge of members of the Armed Forces for personality disorder, and for other purposes.
Introduced
Jul 18, 2007 S. 1811: Lead Poisoning Reduction Act of 2007
Introduced
Jul 16, 2007 S. 1790: Communities of Color Teen Pregnancy Prevention Act of 2007
Introduced
Jun 27, 2007 S. 1713: A bill to provide for the issuance of a commemorative postage stamp in honor of Rosa Parks.
Introduced
Jun 7, 2007 S. 1574: Teaching Residency Act
Introduced
May 24, 2007 S. 1513: Predominantly Black Institution Act of 2007
Introduced
May 17, 2007 S. 1430: Iran Sanctions Enabling Act
Introduced
May 14, 2007 S. 1389: Climate Change Education Act
Introduced
May 7, 2007 S. 1324: National Low-Carbon Fuel Standard Act of 2007
Introduced
May 3, 2007 S. 1306: Lead Free Toys Act of 2007
Introduced
May 2, 2007 S. 1271: Homecoming Enhancement Research and Oversight (HERO) Act
Introduced
Apr 25, 2007 S. 1222: STOP FRAUD Act
Introduced
Apr 20, 2007 S. 1181: Shareholder Vote on Executive Compensation Act
Introduced
Apr 18, 2007 S. 1151: Health Care for Hybrids Act
Introduced
Apr 10, 2007 S. 1084: Homes for Heroes Act of 2007
Introduced
Mar 29, 2007 S. 1068: Healthy Communities Act of 2007
Introduced
Mar 29, 2007 S. 1067: Healthy Places Act of 2007
Introduced
Mar 23, 2007 S. 976: Genomics and Personalized Medicine Act of 2007
Introduced
Mar 15, 2007 S. 906: Mercury Market Minimization Act of 2007
Introduced
Mar 8, 2007 S. 823: Microbicide Development Act
Introduced
Mar 7, 2007 S. 795: Citizenship Promotion Act of 2007
Introduced
Mar 6, 2007 S. 768: Fuel Economy Reform Act
Introduced
Mar 6, 2007 S. 767: Fuel Economy Reform Act
Introduced
Mar 1, 2007 S. 737: Voter Advocate and Democracy Index Act of 2007
Introduced
Feb 28, 2007 S. 713: Dignity for Wounded Warriors Act of 2007
Introduced
Feb 27, 2007 S. 692: VA Hospital Quality Report Card Act of 2007
Introduced
Feb 16, 2007 S. 674: Transparency and Accountability in Military and Security Contracting Act of 2007
Introduced
Jan 30, 2007 S. 433: Iraq War De-Escalation Act of 2007
Introduced
Jan 4, 2007 S. 133: American Fuels Act of 2007
Introduced
Jan 4, 2007 S. 117: Lane Evans Veterans Health and Benefits Improvement Act of 2007
Introduced
Jan 4, 2007 S. 116: STEP UP ACT OF 2007
Introduced
Jan 4, 2007 S. 115: Oil SENSE Act
Introduced
Jan 4, 2007 S. 114: Innovation Districts for School Improvement Act
Introduced
Jul 29, 2008 S.Con.Res. 96: A concurrent resolution commemorating Irena Sendler, a woman whose bravery saved the lives of thousands during the Holocaust and remembering her legacy of courage, selflessness, and hope.
Introduced
Sep 17, 2007 S.Con.Res. 46: A concurrent resolution supporting the goals and ideals of Sickle Cell Disease Awareness Month.
Introduced
Sep 12, 2007 S.Con.Res. 44: A concurrent resolution expressing the sense of Congress that a commemorative postage stamp should be issued honoring Rosa Louise McCauley Parks.
Introduced
Jan 31, 2007 S.Con.Res. 5: A concurrent resolution honoring the life of Percy Lavon Julian, a pioneer in the field of organic chemistry and the first and only African-American chemist to be inducted into the National Academy of Sciences.
Introduced
Nov 1, 2007 S.J.Res. 23: A joint resolution clarifying that the use of force against Iran is not authorized by the Authorization for the Use of Military Force Against Iraq, any resolution previously adopted, or any other provision of law.
Introduced
Jul 25, 2008 S.Res. 628: A resolution expressing support for the designation of Disability Pride Day and recognizing that all people, including people living with disabilities, have the right, responsibility, and ability to be active, contributing members of society and fully engaged as citizens of the United States.
Introduced
Nov 15, 2007 S.Res. 383: A resolution honoring and recognizing the achievements of Carl Stokes, the first African-American mayor of a major American city, in the 40th year since his election as Mayor of Cleveland, Ohio.

spyguy

is this one your favorite?

http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=s110-1430


what a war mongering neo-con

whitepants

So many people are just going to lose it when McCain/Palin wins. Mark my words. And I ain't even voting him...

This place is going to raise the stock of Kleenex on Nov 5th.

cincybearcat

whitepants wrote:

So many people are just going to lose it when McCain/Palin wins. Mark my words. And I ain't even voting him...

This place is going to raise the stock of Kleenex on Nov 5th.

I prefer Puffs.

mammasan

whitepants wrote:

So many people are just going to lose it when McCain/Palin wins. Mark my words. And I ain't even voting him...

This place is going to raise the stock of Kleenex on Nov 5th.

I already stocked up because regardless of who wins I'm still going to cry.

inmytree

cincybearcat wrote:

I prefer Puffs.

amen to that...!!

inmytree

spyguy wrote:

great attempt at baiting. at least I asked a valid question




actually it doesnt because you are an admitted bleeding heart liberal and you are not waiting until after the debates to decide.

see the difference?

I see you have no real answer....

I'll help you....

Lipstick!!!!

Now we can debate ownership of the word....

you can thank me later...:)

DesignVHL

whitepants wrote:

So many people are just going to lose it when McCain/Palin wins. Mark my words. And I ain't even voting him...

This place is going to raise the stock of Kleenex on Nov 5th.

i'm goin w/ puffs first of all as well...

secondly, I disagree. I think the republicans will be crying that they no longer have control once Obama steps into the White House (anyone else have the countdown widget on their computer? :P)...

Biden and Obama are going to eat Palin and McCain alive during the debates....which policy wise would be interesting...but when they start debating religion, abortion, etc. into the mix...it becomes a pointless bickering debate as republicans have their strong views on this, and so do the democrats/liberals...and there's no point in debating these points because most of those issues - For the most part, are pretty much in-line w/ said parties....So these debates better be mostly about current issues THAT MATTER (economy, health insurance, etc.) and NOT about the trivial things that right wingers tend to use to make their voting decisions on...which I think is a grave mistake.

whitepants

mammasan wrote:

I already stocked up because regardless of who wins I'm still going to cry.

Touche!

cincybearcat

mammasan wrote:

I already stocked up because regardless of who wins I'm still going to cry.

Pansy. Toughen up.

slightofjeff

DesignVHL wrote:

i'm goin w/ puffs first of all as well...

secondly, I disagree. I think the republicans will be crying that they no longer have control once Obama steps into the White House (anyone else have the countdown widget on their computer? :P)...

Biden and Obama are going to eat Palin and McCain alive during the debates.....

I don't doubt there's a very good chance Obama wins the election, but anybody banking on the debates to push him over the top might be disappointed.

Obama isn't that great in unscripted debates, and Biden is going to have to tread very, very carefully with Palin. She's undeniably popular and he can't come off looking like a bully. Just look how much play McCain has gotten out of the fairly innocuous "lipstick" comment already.

And above all: It's not like George W. Bush cleaned up in the '04 debates, and he still won re-election.

mammasan

cincybearcat wrote:

Pansy. Toughen up.

OK you got me. Maybe I will just go get shit faced drunk on election night. This way I will be numb and drunk when the next fuck wad who is going to royally screw us gets elected.

cincybearcat

mammasan wrote:

OK you got me. Maybe I will just go get shit faced drunk on election night. This way I will be numb and drunk when the next fuck wad who is going to royally screw us gets elected.

That's the spirit!!!

Cowboy Up!!!!

DesignVHL

slightofjeff wrote:

I don't doubt there's a very good chance Obama wins the election, but anybody banking on the debates to push him over the top might be disappointed.

Obama isn't that great in unscripted debates, and Biden is going to have to tread very, very carefully with Palin. She's undeniably popular and he can't come off looking like a bully. Just look how much play McCain has gotten out of the fairly innocuous "lipstick" comment already.

And above all: It's not like George W. Bush cleaned up in the '04 debates, and he still won re-election.

i realize that this has become a standard of thought towards these up-coming debates. But I really think Obama and Biden will pleasantly surprise you....they'll be all about policy, and less about the personal...

Besides I don't think the excitement about PALIN is going to hold strong through the end of this thing. I think it will die out. She's a total NUT and a LIAR, and I think her true colors will come through in the end. I can at least hope, can't I!

MattyJoe

YieldInHiding wrote:

does his lack of having any real policies of his own worry you?

Oh really? I guess Obama leads the way then because he is chock full of original ideas. Like the redistribution of wealth. Karl Marx got that idea from Obama!! Oh, and universal healthcare! The Clintons stole that idea from Obama, too. And the Bipartisan Campaign Reform Act, that was McCain, Feingold, AND OBAMA!! Obama was the real brains behind that, and those bastards had the nerve to give him no credit. For God's sake, Obama practically wrote the whole Constitution and still gets no credit for it. That's REAL racism right there.

Thecure

YieldInHiding wrote:

You must not be too good with the Google.

http://www.govtrack.us/congress/person.xpd?id=400629&tab=bills

Bills in 2007-2008 (the 110th Congress) sponsored by Obama:

Status Bill
Passed Senate
Jun 26, 2007 S.Con.Res. 25: A concurrent resolution condemning the recent violent actions of the Government of Zimbabwe against peaceful opposition party activists and members of civil society.
Passed Senate
Jun 24, 2008 S.Res. 600: A resolution commemorating the 44th anniversary of the deaths of civil rights workers Andrew Goodman, James Chaney, and Michael Schwerner in Philadelphia, Mississippi, while working in the name of American democracy to register voters and secure civil rights during the summer of 1964, which has become known as "Freedom Summer".
Passed Senate
Jul 13, 2007 S.Res. 268: A resolution designating July 12, 2007, as "National Summer Learning Day".
Passed Senate
Mar 28, 2007 S.Res. 133: A resolution celebrating the life of Bishop Gilbert Earl Patterson.
Scheduled for Debate
Apr 24, 2008 S. 2433: Global Poverty Act of 2007
Scheduled for Debate
Oct 4, 2007 S. 453: Deceptive Practices and Voter Intimidation Prevention Act of 2007
Introduced
Jul 29, 2008 S. 3358: Improving Food-borne Illness Surveillance and Response Act of 2008
Introduced
Jun 17, 2008 S. 3142: Preventing Stillbirth and SUID Act of 2008
Introduced
Jun 3, 2008 S. 3077: Strengthening Transparency and Accountability in Federal Spending Act of 2008
Introduced
May 21, 2008 S. 3047: Enhancing Science, Technology, Engineering, and Mathematics Education Act of 2008
Introduced
Dec 19, 2007 S. 2519: Contracting and Tax Accountability Act of 2007
Introduced
Dec 6, 2007 S. 2428: National STEM Scholarship Database Act
Introduced
Nov 16, 2007 S. 2392: National STEM Scholarship Database Act
Introduced
Nov 13, 2007 S. 2347: Prevention Through Affordable Access Act
Introduced
Nov 8, 2007 S. 2330: Veterans Homelessness Prevention Act
Introduced
Oct 24, 2007 S. 2227: Success in the Middle Act of 2007
Introduced
Oct 24, 2007 S. 2224: Nuclear Release Notice Act of 2007
Introduced
Oct 18, 2007 S. 2202: Renewable Fuel Standard Extension Act of 2007
Introduced
Oct 4, 2007 S. 2147: Security Contractor Accountability Act of 2007
Introduced
Oct 3, 2007 S. 2132: A bill to prohibit the introduction or delivery for introduction into interstate commerce of children's products that contain lead, and for other purposes.
Introduced
Sep 27, 2007 S. 2111: Positive Behavior for Effective Schools Act
Introduced
Sep 18, 2007 S. 2066: Back to School: Improving Standards for Nutrition and Physical Education in Schools Act of 2007
Introduced
Sep 12, 2007 S. 2044: Independent Contractor Proper Classification Act of 2007
Introduced
Sep 6, 2007 S. 2030: A bill to amend the Federal Election Campaign Act of 1971 to require reporting relating to bundled contributions made by persons other than registered lobbyists.
Introduced
Aug 3, 2007 S. 1989: Pigford Claims Remedy Act of 2007
Introduced
Aug 2, 2007 S. 1977: Nuclear Weapons Threat Reduction Act of 2007
Introduced
Jul 26, 2007 S. 1885: Military Family Job Protection Act
Introduced
Jul 25, 2007 S. 1873: Improving Emergency Medical Care and Response Act of 2007
Introduced
Jul 19, 2007 S. 1824: Hospital Quality Report Card Act of 2007
Introduced
Jul 19, 2007 S. 1818: Missing Mercury in Manufacturing Monitoring and Mitigation Act
Introduced
Jul 19, 2007 S. 1817: A bill to ensure proper administration of the discharge of members of the Armed Forces for personality disorder, and for other purposes.
Introduced
Jul 18, 2007 S. 1811: Lead Poisoning Reduction Act of 2007
Introduced
Jul 16, 2007 S. 1790: Communities of Color Teen Pregnancy Prevention Act of 2007
Introduced
Jun 27, 2007 S. 1713: A bill to provide for the issuance of a commemorative postage stamp in honor of Rosa Parks.
Introduced
Jun 7, 2007 S. 1574: Teaching Residency Act
Introduced
May 24, 2007 S. 1513: Predominantly Black Institution Act of 2007
Introduced
May 17, 2007 S. 1430: Iran Sanctions Enabling Act
Introduced
May 14, 2007 S. 1389: Climate Change Education Act
Introduced
May 7, 2007 S. 1324: National Low-Carbon Fuel Standard Act of 2007
Introduced
May 3, 2007 S. 1306: Lead Free Toys Act of 2007
Introduced
May 2, 2007 S. 1271: Homecoming Enhancement Research and Oversight (HERO) Act
Introduced
Apr 25, 2007 S. 1222: STOP FRAUD Act
Introduced
Apr 20, 2007 S. 1181: Shareholder Vote on Executive Compensation Act
Introduced
Apr 18, 2007 S. 1151: Health Care for Hybrids Act
Introduced
Apr 10, 2007 S. 1084: Homes for Heroes Act of 2007
Introduced
Mar 29, 2007 S. 1068: Healthy Communities Act of 2007
Introduced
Mar 29, 2007 S. 1067: Healthy Places Act of 2007
Introduced
Mar 23, 2007 S. 976: Genomics and Personalized Medicine Act of 2007
Introduced
Mar 15, 2007 S. 906: Mercury Market Minimization Act of 2007
Introduced
Mar 8, 2007 S. 823: Microbicide Development Act
Introduced
Mar 7, 2007 S. 795: Citizenship Promotion Act of 2007
Introduced
Mar 6, 2007 S. 768: Fuel Economy Reform Act
Introduced
Mar 6, 2007 S. 767: Fuel Economy Reform Act
Introduced
Mar 1, 2007 S. 737: Voter Advocate and Democracy Index Act of 2007
Introduced
Feb 28, 2007 S. 713: Dignity for Wounded Warriors Act of 2007
Introduced
Feb 27, 2007 S. 692: VA Hospital Quality Report Card Act of 2007
Introduced
Feb 16, 2007 S. 674: Transparency and Accountability in Military and Security Contracting Act of 2007
Introduced
Jan 30, 2007 S. 433: Iraq War De-Escalation Act of 2007
Introduced
Jan 4, 2007 S. 133: American Fuels Act of 2007
Introduced
Jan 4, 2007 S. 117: Lane Evans Veterans Health and Benefits Improvement Act of 2007
Introduced
Jan 4, 2007 S. 116: STEP UP ACT OF 2007
Introduced
Jan 4, 2007 S. 115: Oil SENSE Act
Introduced
Jan 4, 2007 S. 114: Innovation Districts for School Improvement Act
Introduced
Jul 29, 2008 S.Con.Res. 96: A concurrent resolution commemorating Irena Sendler, a woman whose bravery saved the lives of thousands during the Holocaust and remembering her legacy of courage, selflessness, and hope.
Introduced
Sep 17, 2007 S.Con.Res. 46: A concurrent resolution supporting the goals and ideals of Sickle Cell Disease Awareness Month.
Introduced
Sep 12, 2007 S.Con.Res. 44: A concurrent resolution expressing the sense of Congress that a commemorative postage stamp should be issued honoring Rosa Louise McCauley Parks.
Introduced
Jan 31, 2007 S.Con.Res. 5: A concurrent resolution honoring the life of Percy Lavon Julian, a pioneer in the field of organic chemistry and the first and only African-American chemist to be inducted into the National Academy of Sciences.
Introduced
Nov 1, 2007 S.J.Res. 23: A joint resolution clarifying that the use of force against Iran is not authorized by the Authorization for the Use of Military Force Against Iraq, any resolution previously adopted, or any other provision of law.
Introduced
Jul 25, 2008 S.Res. 628: A resolution expressing support for the designation of Disability Pride Day and recognizing that all people, including people living with disabilities, have the right, responsibility, and ability to be active, contributing members of society and fully engaged as citizens of the United States.
Introduced
Nov 15, 2007 S.Res. 383: A resolution honoring and recognizing the achievements of Carl Stokes, the first African-American mayor of a major American city, in the 40th year since his election as Mayor of Cleveland, Ohio.

i think the question is how many bills has Obama written that are about controversial issues. that mean more to me than laws written. there are really hard challanges that americans face and really there is no simple or noncontroversial ways around them. McCain for all his major faults has tackle soem major issues and has worked with demo. around issues like patients bill of rights, campaign-finace reform, immigration reform. he has gotten into alot of trouble from the right becuase of this. maybe a reason why McCain still has problems with the right. i am not saying that i am for McCain but when we talk abotu Obama we shoudl really talk about how he is willing to be disliked and write bills that may not b epopular but are right for teh country. that is what i would liek to see in this election.