No senators write the bills they sponsor. They tend to craft the legislation with their co-sponsor and it is then develop by aides, specialists, whoever the fuck.
Those aides are from the specific Senator's office. The Senator drives the legislation. The Senator champions the cause. The Senator builds consensus. The Senator lobbies. The Senator sees the bill through to a vote.
The point is that the list presented that Obama "sponsored" wasn't a list of legislation that he made happen. MattyJoe is correct, it takes nothing but Obama (or any other congress critter) saying "okay" to be listed as a sponsor. It takes much more work to author legislation.
"I'll use the magic word - let's just shut the fuck up, please." EV, 04/13/08
anyone that votes for a Republican administration after these last 8 years is fucking insane or has absolutely zero clue what is going on and is fucking insane
It is about the differences in brain activity of conservatives & liberals..I KNEW there was a damn good reason that I just don't get the conservative/republican pov on well, just about everything.
anyone that votes for a Republican administration after these last 8 years is fucking insane or has absolutely zero clue what is going on and is fucking insane
Nope. Sorry. McCain is not Bush, just like Obama is not Hilary.
I pledge to you a government that will not only work well, but wisely, its ability to act tempered by prudence, and its willingness to do good, balanced by the knowledge that government is never more dangerous than when our desire to have it help us blinds us to its great power to harm us.
-Reagan
anyone that votes for a Republican administration after these last 8 years is fucking insane or has absolutely zero clue what is going on and is fucking insane
period
Great post! That's the type of attitude that certainly wins elections: "I'm right and anybody who doesn't agree is clearly fucking insane."
everybody wants the most they can possibly get
for the least they could possibly do
anyone that votes for a Republican administration after these last 8 years is fucking insane or has absolutely zero clue what is going on and is fucking insane
period
I agree with everything but the "period". I would change the "period" to "semicolon" and add "and anyone that votes for a Democrat administration after these last 2 years where both the Dems and Reps have worked together to screw the country is fucking insane or has absolutely zero clue what is going on and is fucking insane
period"
"I'll use the magic word - let's just shut the fuck up, please." EV, 04/13/08
Those aides are from the specific Senator's office. The Senator drives the legislation. The Senator champions the cause. The Senator builds consensus. The Senator lobbies. The Senator sees the bill through to a vote.
Maybe I'm not understanding what you're trying to say here. Are you saying that's what the sponsor does, or are you saying that's what the author of the bill does? I think we're all, myself included, getting our terminology confused. Obama introduced all those bills to the Senate floor; isn't that one of the signature elements of driving legislation?
Obama's list of U.S. Senate accomplishments is not as long as McCain's, since the latter is one of the most senior members of the Senate. Who's saying that list is as long?
Yup. That list is stupid. Every congress critter "sponsors" plenty of legislation. It is a completely different story to author or draft legslation, and to guide it through to passage.
How long is that list for Obama?
Actually there were quite a few that had no co-sponsors. Just click on the link of each one to see details.
i just got this email from moveon.org....how does this resonate?
Dear MoveOn member,
Here's the situation: John McCain and Sarah Palin are repeatedly deceiving, manipulating, and flat-out lying. And polls are showing that some of those lies are convincing voters.
Palin says she opposed the "Bridge to Nowhere"—when in fact she fully supported it. McCain says Obama wants sex-ed for kindergartners—when he voted for a bill to protect them from sexual predators.1 And Swift Boat style groups are literally accusing Obama of consorting with terrorists.
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It's a small point, but Palin ended up being almost single-handedly responsible for stopping construction on the Bridge to Nowhere.
So that angle is hogwash.
I can't really argue that the McCain "sex-ed" bill wasn't complete bullshit. Although I would be interested to learn how "sex-ed for kindergarteners" became linked to a bill to stop child predators. I'm not even being a smart-ass here. I'd really like to know.
everybody wants the most they can possibly get
for the least they could possibly do
Maybe I'm not understanding what you're trying to say here. Are you saying that's what the sponsor does, or are you saying that's what the author of the bill does? I think we're all, myself included, getting our terminology confused. Obama introduced all those bills to the Senate floor; isn't that one of the signature elements of driving legislation?
Obama's list of U.S. Senate accomplishments is not as long as McCain's, since the latter is one of the most senior members of the Senate. Who's saying that list is as long?
Maybe I'm not understanding what you're trying to say here. Are you saying that's what the sponsor does, or are you saying that's what the author of the bill does? I think we're all, myself included, getting our terminology confused. Obama introduced all those bills to the Senate floor; isn't that one of the signature elements of driving legislation?
Obama's list of U.S. Senate accomplishments is not as long as McCain's, since the latter is one of the most senior members of the Senate. Who's saying that list is as long?
Sorry, I must be confused then. I saw it as a list of bills he's been a "sponsor" of. I didn't realize he had introduced each of them. If each of those bills were bills he specifically had drafted and introduced to the floor then that is different than just signing on to a bill. I'll have to go back and reread the list.
"I'll use the magic word - let's just shut the fuck up, please." EV, 04/13/08
Sorry, I must be confused then. I saw it as a list of bills he's been a "sponsor" of. I didn't realize he had introduced each of them. If each of those bills were bills he specifically had drafted and introduced to the floor then that is different than just signing on to a bill. I'll have to go back and reread the list.
I haven't gone to the original website, but from the looks of what that poster copy and pasted Obama introduced each and every one of those bills to the floor.
I mean, to be fair, he has been there for four years. That's not McCain, but it's enough time to get some significant legislation passed and alot more scheduled for debate. Obama, though has the problem of any first term senator; it's like being a freshman at a frathouse. And I don't believe the Presidency should work as a reward for "paying your dues."
I haven't gone to the original website, but from the looks of what that poster copy and pasted Obama introduced each and every one of those bills to the floor.
However, he didn't write a single one of them.
I pledge to you a government that will not only work well, but wisely, its ability to act tempered by prudence, and its willingness to do good, balanced by the knowledge that government is never more dangerous than when our desire to have it help us blinds us to its great power to harm us.
-Reagan
And here we are back at square one again...I don't know if this is what you mean, and feel free to correct me if you're saying something different; but SENATORS DON'T SIT DOWN AND WRITE THE LEGISLATION. They craft it, build coalitions. Maybe I'm missing a step here, but if Obama didn't 'craft' the legislation that he himself introduced to the floor, which senators did, and why wouldn't those senators introduce it? Again, I could simply be misunderstanding your point.
It's a small point, but Palin ended up being almost single-handedly responsible for stopping construction on the Bridge to Nowhere.
So that angle is hogwash.
I can't really argue that the McCain "sex-ed" bill wasn't complete bullshit. Although I would be interested to learn how "sex-ed for kindergarteners" became linked to a bill to stop child predators. I'm not even being a smart-ass here. I'd really like to know.
she "stopped" the bridge to nowhere because the federal funding dried up...basically she was forced to stop the project...
However, I agree that McCain did do a lot of good bi-partisan work earlier in his career and should be commended for it. On the other hand, when he sells out completely to the republican party to gain a position of power, he loses all credibility to me.
i know that it wasn't the questioins but i think it is a better question. also, i agree that mcCain did sell out somewhat but to say that he did good bi-partisan work early in his career is not really true. he still had teh bill on immigration that he worked with Ted Kennedy on. (maybe Ted forgot that)
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Keep going down, good sir.
That's what happens when McSame clones can't think of a response. They start attacks against the other candidate. Whoops!
Those aides are from the specific Senator's office. The Senator drives the legislation. The Senator champions the cause. The Senator builds consensus. The Senator lobbies. The Senator sees the bill through to a vote.
The point is that the list presented that Obama "sponsored" wasn't a list of legislation that he made happen. MattyJoe is correct, it takes nothing but Obama (or any other congress critter) saying "okay" to be listed as a sponsor. It takes much more work to author legislation.
period
It resonates with me about the same as if it had started:
Dear FoxNews viewer,
http://particlepeople.com/board/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=8433
It is about the differences in brain activity of conservatives & liberals..I KNEW there was a damn good reason that I just don't get the conservative/republican pov on well, just about everything.
EXPAND YOUR ELEMENT!
Nope. Sorry. McCain is not Bush, just like Obama is not Hilary.
-Reagan
Great post! That's the type of attitude that certainly wins elections: "I'm right and anybody who doesn't agree is clearly fucking insane."
for the least they could possibly do
I agree with everything but the "period". I would change the "period" to "semicolon" and add "and anyone that votes for a Democrat administration after these last 2 years where both the Dems and Reps have worked together to screw the country is fucking insane or has absolutely zero clue what is going on and is fucking insane
period"
Maybe I'm not understanding what you're trying to say here. Are you saying that's what the sponsor does, or are you saying that's what the author of the bill does? I think we're all, myself included, getting our terminology confused. Obama introduced all those bills to the Senate floor; isn't that one of the signature elements of driving legislation?
Obama's list of U.S. Senate accomplishments is not as long as McCain's, since the latter is one of the most senior members of the Senate. Who's saying that list is as long?
Actually there were quite a few that had no co-sponsors. Just click on the link of each one to see details.
It's a small point, but Palin ended up being almost single-handedly responsible for stopping construction on the Bridge to Nowhere.
So that angle is hogwash.
I can't really argue that the McCain "sex-ed" bill wasn't complete bullshit. Although I would be interested to learn how "sex-ed for kindergarteners" became linked to a bill to stop child predators. I'm not even being a smart-ass here. I'd really like to know.
for the least they could possibly do
Here's McCain's list
http://www.govtrack.us/congress/person.xpd?id=300071
Sorry, I must be confused then. I saw it as a list of bills he's been a "sponsor" of. I didn't realize he had introduced each of them. If each of those bills were bills he specifically had drafted and introduced to the floor then that is different than just signing on to a bill. I'll have to go back and reread the list.
I haven't gone to the original website, but from the looks of what that poster copy and pasted Obama introduced each and every one of those bills to the floor.
I mean, to be fair, he has been there for four years. That's not McCain, but it's enough time to get some significant legislation passed and alot more scheduled for debate. Obama, though has the problem of any first term senator; it's like being a freshman at a frathouse. And I don't believe the Presidency should work as a reward for "paying your dues."
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However, he didn't write a single one of them.
-Reagan
And here we are back at square one again...I don't know if this is what you mean, and feel free to correct me if you're saying something different; but SENATORS DON'T SIT DOWN AND WRITE THE LEGISLATION. They craft it, build coalitions. Maybe I'm missing a step here, but if Obama didn't 'craft' the legislation that he himself introduced to the floor, which senators did, and why wouldn't those senators introduce it? Again, I could simply be misunderstanding your point.
she "stopped" the bridge to nowhere because the federal funding dried up...basically she was forced to stop the project...
i know that it wasn't the questioins but i think it is a better question.
- Soren Aabye Kierkegaard (1813-1855)
If you haven't got anything nice to say about anybody, come sit next to me."
- Alice Roosevelt Longworth (1884-1980)
sanctions qualify as war mongering?
hmm, news to me.
sounds more like........
foriegn policy
you know, the thing conservatives keep saying Obama doesn't have.
No, that is incorrect.
for the least they could possibly do
Gotta link to support that?
No, that is correct.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26486063/
from here:
http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/09/22/alaska.bridge.ap/
"Gov. Sarah Palin said Friday the project was $329 million short of full funding."