I think it's beautiful that you are the way you are, Collin. And your emotional intelligence speaks well for you. On Christmas day, actually at Christmas dinner, I mentioned you - I was saying considering you are only a few years older than my son, I would be very proud if my own son was on message boards speaking as intelligently and wisely as you. But I'm just a softy.
that is the nicest most beautiful post I have read in a long time if ever.
that is the nicest most beautiful post I have read in a long time if ever.
Thanks! Your comment is nice, too!
It's almost embarassing that my message board life carries over to my Christmas dinner! But there are some awesome people on this board, due to their warmth and depth.
"The opposite of a fact is falsehood, but the opposite of one profound truth may very well be another profound truth." ~ Niels Bohr
A cabbage patch kid is a doll, popularized in the 80's I believe. It's symbolic in my representation of a childish fantasy world.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
I don't know what its like to be a fetus ripped out of a womb. But I wouldnt wanna be one. And I think I could sypmpathise with one who might have been. Do I need to experience said pain to empathise with that pain?
I don't know what its like to be a fetus ripped out of a womb. But I wouldnt wanna be one. And I think I could sypmpathise with one who might have been. Do I need to experience said pain to empathise with that pain?
everyone's different..it all depends on the person and if you connect with them or not.. whether it's for counselling or work or whatever. I just didn't feel comfortable with her, I'm not saying I am against people seeing counsellors' who have no experience.. I am just saying that this is how I feel and what I need. I think anything is a good thing if it helps you out.
I really do think a person has to experience said pain before honestly being able to empathize with it. If the objective is to speak to someone who can empathize, then no amount of higher education is going to compensate for that.
On the other hand, just because a person has experienced said pain doesn't mean that person knows how to show it. If you lost your goldfish and wanted to talk about it with someone who lost his/her goldfish, it doesn't really help if that person still doesn't really feel like listening to your sob story.
I would rather tell my tale of woe to a person who is sincerely interested in helping me feel better than to a person who has only experienced what I've experienced.
The odds are that if you are seeking help from a counselor, then you are needing more than just a shoulder to cry on. You are probably needing help expressing that pain or understanding it or even just dealing with it. A counselor is trained to recognize patterns in human behavior. Even if said counselor has not experienced your pain, that person is qualified to recognize the pain that you're feeling and to help you deal with it in a healthy and productive way.
Still, the "qualified listener" criteria are what make organizations like Alcholics Anonymous and Narcotics Anonymous so effective. Alkies and Druggies by the lot are able to heal just from being around and talking about their problems with people who have been there done that. Sometimes all it takes is trust.
If you feel that you can only a person who has experienced what you've experienced, then that is what you need. But, I wouldn't go so far as to say that an bonified trained counselor is unqualified to help you through your suffering.
I really do think a person has to experience said pain before honestly being able to empathize with it. If the objective is to speak to someone who can empathize, then no amount of higher education is going to compensate for that.
On the other hand, just because a person has experienced said pain doesn't mean that person knows how to show it. If you lost your goldfish and wanted to talk about it with someone who lost his/her goldfish, it doesn't really help if that person still doesn't really feel like listening to your sob story.
I would rather tell my tale of woe to a person who is sincerely interested in helping me feel better than to a person who has only experienced what I've experienced.
The odds are that if you are seeking help from a counselor, then you are needing more than just a shoulder to cry on. You are probably needing help expressing that pain or understanding it or even just dealing with it. A counselor is trained to recognize patterns in human behavior. Even if said counselor has not experienced your pain, that person is qualified to recognize the pain that you're feeling and to help you deal with it in a healthy and productive way.
Still, the "qualified listener" criteria are what make organizations like Alcholics Anonymous and Narcotics Anonymous so effective. Alkies and Druggies by the lot are able to heal just from being around and talking about their problems with people who have been there done that. Sometimes all it takes is trust.
If you feel that you can only a person who has experienced what you've experienced, then that is what you need. But, I wouldn't go so far as to say that an bonified trained counselor is unqualified to help you through your suffering.
tell me how this works: You have a grievance counsellor who is working with people who have lost both thier parents. You are working in a group, there are about 15 people in this group, all have lost both their parents. I ask the counsellor " Have you lost anyone close to you?" She replies " No, but a friend of mine lost her grandmother last year and that was hard on her, I could tell."
I never went back. I just couldn't get past that and there fore wouldn't care about anything she had to say.
I feel some things you can only teach through life experiences.
I used to do rape crisis counseling, and while most of the counselors had been raped, we had a couple who were simply outstanding who hadn't. I think having similar experiences to draw on can be helpful, but a truly gifted counselor can do a fine job without that. Obviously, the counselor you had was anything but gifted if she would even compare watching a friend lose a grandmother to the sort of grief the people in your group have experienced. I doubt you missed much of value by leaving this group.
I had to go to a class before I started my chemo, and the woman who runs the hospital cancer support group came in to talk to us. The first thing out of her mouth was "Hey, it's nice to see such a big group!" WTF? It's nice to see a big group of people with cancer?!!?! Needless to say, I passed on the support groups, hahaha.
"Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity." ~ MLK, 1963
tell me how this works: You have a grievance counsellor who is working with people who have lost both thier parents. You are working in a group, there are about 15 people in this group, all have lost both their parents. I ask the counsellor " Have you lost anyone close to you?" She replies " No, but a friend of mine lost her grandmother last year and that was hard on her, I could tell."
I never went back. I just couldn't get past that and there fore wouldn't care about anything she had to say.
I feel some things you can only teach through life experiences.
Kind of like having a florist fix your car....good for you.
one foot in the door
the other foot in the gutter
sweet smell that they adore
I think I'd rather smother
-The Replacements-
I think it's beautiful that you are the way you are, Collin. And your emotional intelligence speaks well for you. On Christmas day, actually at Christmas dinner, I mentioned you - I was saying considering you are only a few years older than my son, I would be very proud if my own son was on message boards speaking as intelligently and wisely as you. But I'm just a softy.
Thanks! I'm sure you'll son is and will be a very wise and intelligent kid, he has to be with a mother like you!
You made an assumption, I said it wasn't true. As to why, I think your a heartless emotionless man and I don't want to be heartless and emotionless.
There's a difference between being emotionless and realistic. The world is indeed a cold place and we all know a loved one can die any minute, but if you truly love someone you will feel something when he/she dies. You'll miss that person. I'm beginning to doubt whether or not you can actually feel love or know what love is, because someone who loves someone doesn't just say 'well shit happens, life goes on' when his everything dies.
Maybe it is because of your accident that you cannot feel these emotions. If you can feel these emotions then don't pretend you are the norm or somehow 'above' emotional people. Because if you want to be realistic you'll notice almost everyone lives "in this wild fantasy world", so it seems to me that this cold world you live in, is the fantasy world.
I don't know what its like to be a fetus ripped out of a womb. But I wouldnt wanna be one. And I think I could sypmpathise with one who might have been. Do I need to experience said pain to empathise with that pain?
Jesus's parents were supposedly still around when he was strutting his stuff. So dya think Jesus would have been incapable of consoling someone who's mam and pap had died?
I think there are plenty of people on this earth who could perform admirably in this role, without them having gone through the same kind of grief. You don't expect your Doctor to have had experienced every illness known to man, and to have broken every bone in his body before treating you, do you?
everyone's different..it all depends on the person and if you connect with them or not.. whether it's for counselling or work or whatever. I just didn't feel comfortable with her, I'm not saying I am against people seeing counsellors' who have no experience.. I am just saying that this is how I feel and what I need. I think anything is a good thing if it helps you out.
I'm just curious why you would turn to the counselor for personal experience when you were surrounded by 15 other individuals who most definitely shared your experiences. I thought the point of the counselor in group therapy was to serve as a moderator of sorts, to encourage people to share their stories and allow individuals within the group to learn from one another.
Not to say you're wrong for not liking the counselor, I'm just wondering if it's one of those cases where you're going to have to search high and low to actually find a counselor who shares your experiences as opposed to just finding a group of people to relate with led by a single, objective counselor.
"Worse than traitors in arms are the men who pretend loyalty to the flag, feast and fatten on the misfortunes of the nation while patriotic blood is crimsoning the plains." -- Abraham Lincoln
You don't need someone who has experienced a loss to support you in your self-pity and encourage you to dwell on it.
Sometimes you really do appear to disappear up your own arse Ahnimus.
*Byrnzie grabs Ahnimus by the legs and pulls him back out*
'self pity' you say? I take it that by this statement you are presuming to know every detail of what EarthGirl has gone through, and that you are familiar with the circumstances of her parents deaths?
Either that or you are so self-absorbed that you feel that your own personal sufferings in life eclipse those of anyone else's, and that therefore anyone else's problems are insignificant and worthy of derision.
I suggest that you reassess yourself and your place in the world fella.
my nanna died the weekend before last and i felt nothing. we weren't close and i hadn't seen her for maybe 16-18 years. at first i wondered whether i was weird for not crying or having some outpouring of emotion. but then i figured my reaction was acceptable. it was acceptable to me and that's all that matters.
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this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
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Jesus's parents were supposedly still around when he was strutting his stuff. So dya think Jesus would have been incapable of consoling someone who's mam and pap had died?
I think there are plenty of people on this earth who could perform admirably in this role, without them having gone through the same kind of grief. You don't expect your Doctor to have had experienced every illness known to man, and to have broken every bone in his body before treating you, do you?
No, I thought I clearly implied that I don't believe you need to experience a pain in order to have empathy or in order to console someone going through pain. And why bring Jesus into it? What'd he ever do to you?
I'm just curious why you would turn to the counselor for personal experience when you were surrounded by 15 other individuals who most definitely shared your experiences. I thought the point of the counselor in group therapy was to serve as a moderator of sorts, to encourage people to share their stories and allow individuals within the group to learn from one another.
Not to say you're wrong for not liking the counselor, I'm just wondering if it's one of those cases where you're going to have to search high and low to actually find a counselor who shares your experiences as opposed to just finding a group of people to relate with led by a single, objective counselor.
well.. when you are so lost that you can't find a way out.. you try everything to be found. So scared and alone feeling you are desperate and want to do anything to try and make that feeling go away.
I lost the feeling and safety of unconditional love, that's a very scary feeling, a very lonely feeling. After time you learn to deal with it and live with it in a more healthy way and learn to adapt I guess you could say. If that makes sense. The feeling of being unloved, uncared for, unwanted, or forgotten about is a much worse hunger then someone who is needing food. Before they were gone I never thought anyone could feel so lonely, even in a crowded room. I guess I was just looking for any way out.. it's all part of the journey. Then one day.. I just woke up. Time more then anything helped along the way.
I don't think that counsellor could ever truly know exactly what a person in that group would be feeling, but I don't think that automatically makes the counsellor totally useless. Some people are extremely good at empathizing with others even when they haven't experienced the same thing. And that can still be of help.
I don't think that counsellor could ever truly know exactly what a person in that group would be feeling, but I don't think that automatically makes the counsellor totally useless. Some people are extremely good at empathizing with others even when they haven't experienced the same thing. And that can still be of help.
okay everyone I am NOT putting down all counsellors I just didn't like the one I had. I thought it was hillarious the comment she made more then anything.. "My friend's grandmother died and I could tell she was sad" something to that effect... come on, she couldn't have said anything else?
Okay okay.....so don't kill me, but I am a mental health therapist, and I feel that I am a damn good one at that. I have done ALOT of grief work this year with both my family and and clients that I see. I have never lost anyone like a parent, but it seems I have a knack for helping people through it. I also work very well with people who have terminal illnesses, and I ofcourse have never had one. I just like these populations. But on the other hand, I work with children, schizophrenics, rapists, alcoholics, and what not. When you work in a public mental health facility, you kind of have to work with what you got. And unfortunately there are 2 different people who work in these place: people who feel they can help more people who really need it, and then the bad therapist who cannot get a job somewhere else. Really it is a crap shoot to whom you will get.
Anyway, grief is a very difficult thing to work through b/c it is not a known feeling. We feel happy so we laugh, we feel sad...so we cry. We are jelous, we know how to handle that too. But grief....normally it is something that is rarely felt, and rarely dealt with appropiately. There are different stages of grief:
1. shock "What! What are you saying?"
2. denial "No, you have the wrong person, I just say them!"
3. Sadness "I don't know how I will get through this."
4 anger "Why would God take them?"
5 guilt (for feeling mad or for not doing more) "I could have been there when..."
6. understanding and acceptance "Man, can remember when ...... that was great!"
We have to feel all of these things and work through all of them. some of the feelings last a second, others last months. They do not go in any certain order, and they can seem to be unpredictable.
I have plenty more info if anyone would like any. Just PM me!
Okay okay.....so don't kill me, but I am a mental health therapist, and I feel that I am a damn good one at that. I have done ALOT of grief work this year with both my family and and clients that I see. I have never lost anyone like a parent, but it seems I have a knack for helping people through it. I also work very well with people who have terminal illnesses, and I ofcourse have never had one. I just like these populations. But on the other hand, I work with children, schizophrenics, rapists, alcoholics, and what not. When you work in a public mental health facility, you kind of have to work with what you got. And unfortunately there are 2 different people who work in these place: people who feel they can help more people who really need it, and then the bad therapist who cannot get a job somewhere else. Really it is a crap shoot to whom you will get.
Anyway, grief is a very difficult thing to work through b/c it is not a known feeling. We feel happy so we laugh, we feel sad...so we cry. We are jelous, we know how to handle that too. But grief....normally it is something that is rarely felt, and rarely dealt with appropiately. There are different stages of grief:
1. shock "What! What are you saying?"
2. denial "No, you have the wrong person, I just say them!"
3. Sadness "I don't know how I will get through this."
4 anger "Why would God take them?"
5 guilt (for feeling mad or for not doing more) "I could have been there when..."
6. understanding and acceptance "Man, can remember when ...... that was great!"
We have to feel all of these things and work through all of them. some of the feelings last a second, others last months. They do not go in any certain order, and they can seem to be unpredictable.
I have plenty more info if anyone would like any. Just PM me!
Hope some of that helps.
Kind of reminds me of this:
Dr. Hibbert: Now, a little death anxiety is normal. You can expect to go through five stages. The first is denial.
Homer: No way! Because I'm not dying!
Dr. Hibbert: The second is anger.
Homer: Why you little!
Dr. Hibbert: After that comes fear.
Homer: What's after fear? What's after fear?
Dr. Hibbert: Bargaining.
Homer: Doc, you gotta get me out of this! I'll make it worth your while!
Dr. Hibbert: Finally, acceptance.
Homer: Well, we all gotta go sometime.
Dr. Hibbert: Mr. Simpson, your progress astounds me.
I lost a great friend once and if i was in a similar situation...and that counselor said that same thing to me...I imagine i might laugh right out loud...and get up and walk out.
your reaction...is fine. trust your own instincts. find someone else...or better yet...talk to the other people who've gone thru the same thing. (like some of those other 15 people). who knows more about it then you and them?
“Kept in a small bowl, the goldfish will remain small. With more space, the fish can grow double, triple, or quadruple its size.”
-Big Fish
now here's the funny part, that I'm sure some of you will laugh out loud too.
I am also a counsellor, I work with children in crisis, runaways, foster children mostly... I was a foster child growing up then later adopted. I was directed to counselling and helping foster children through a few support workers I knew because they thought I would do best at this from personal experience. Sometimes insight is the key... Once I met the children and shared my experiences and they shared with me.. they only wanted to talk and share thier experiences with me because they felt that I would be able to relate and understand them better. That's not to say that other counsellor's suck at it.. I'm just saying that sometimes it helps a lot more if you have experienced the same things. The children often say and have said that they feel safe with telling me things.. that I know what they feel or how they feel, (obviously I dont know exactly what they are going through.. but I have a better idea then a book)... it's a connection that you just can't control.. it just happens... it's a special bond you form and no form of education can take that away.
okay everyone I am NOT putting down all counsellors I just didn't like the one I had. I thought it was hillarious the comment she made more then anything.. "My friend's grandmother died and I could tell she was sad" something to that effect... come on, she couldn't have said anything else?
Yeah, I getcha...that is a pretty dumb thing to say for a counsellor.
I'm not bitter, I'm realistic. I don't live in a wild fantasy world like the rest of you. I don't look at myself from the inside out and defend everything someone says about me. If I took shit as personally as the rest of you, I'd have broke down in tears months ago. You people are just too fucking soft to have a real conversation with.
I lost 3 of my grandparents, 3 close friends and plenty of pets. My parents, as well as my last grandmother are knocking on deaths door. So fucking what? People get old and die, there is shit, sweet, fuck all, anyone can do about it. Accept it, move on. Tell yourself they go to heaven, convince yourself that John Edwards can talk to 'em. Do whatever you have to do, but get over it. For me, they are dead, gone, fucking done, non-existent, and that's perfectly ok with me. Because I don't have this history of care bears and fucking cabbage patch kids, I don't live in a fantasy world where "everything works out" and people are magical beings. Just talking about it makes me want to puke.
boo hoo, cry me a fucking river. sorry, but im not gonna feel sorry for you and how hard your tortured and fucked up childhood was. plenty of people had it worse than you and grew up to be better people.
i finally realized who you remind me of though and why you disgust me. i also recognized some of your plagiarism (the witty and cold lines you dropped on your ex). i've read the stranger too buddy. but you're a human being in a real world, not a character in a book.
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that is the nicest most beautiful post I have read in a long time if ever.
It's almost embarassing that my message board life carries over to my Christmas dinner! But there are some awesome people on this board, due to their warmth and depth.
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No, is a poor answer to the question "Why?".
A cabbage patch kid is a doll, popularized in the 80's I believe. It's symbolic in my representation of a childish fantasy world.
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everyone's different..it all depends on the person and if you connect with them or not.. whether it's for counselling or work or whatever. I just didn't feel comfortable with her, I'm not saying I am against people seeing counsellors' who have no experience.. I am just saying that this is how I feel and what I need. I think anything is a good thing if it helps you out.
On the other hand, just because a person has experienced said pain doesn't mean that person knows how to show it. If you lost your goldfish and wanted to talk about it with someone who lost his/her goldfish, it doesn't really help if that person still doesn't really feel like listening to your sob story.
I would rather tell my tale of woe to a person who is sincerely interested in helping me feel better than to a person who has only experienced what I've experienced.
The odds are that if you are seeking help from a counselor, then you are needing more than just a shoulder to cry on. You are probably needing help expressing that pain or understanding it or even just dealing with it. A counselor is trained to recognize patterns in human behavior. Even if said counselor has not experienced your pain, that person is qualified to recognize the pain that you're feeling and to help you deal with it in a healthy and productive way.
Still, the "qualified listener" criteria are what make organizations like Alcholics Anonymous and Narcotics Anonymous so effective. Alkies and Druggies by the lot are able to heal just from being around and talking about their problems with people who have been there done that. Sometimes all it takes is trust.
If you feel that you can only a person who has experienced what you've experienced, then that is what you need. But, I wouldn't go so far as to say that an bonified trained counselor is unqualified to help you through your suffering.
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ouch ! I didn't think I was that harsh.
I had to go to a class before I started my chemo, and the woman who runs the hospital cancer support group came in to talk to us. The first thing out of her mouth was "Hey, it's nice to see such a big group!" WTF? It's nice to see a big group of people with cancer?!!?! Needless to say, I passed on the support groups, hahaha.
Kind of like having a florist fix your car....good for you.
the other foot in the gutter
sweet smell that they adore
I think I'd rather smother
-The Replacements-
Thanks! I'm sure you'll son is and will be a very wise and intelligent kid, he has to be with a mother like you!
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You made an assumption, I said it wasn't true. As to why, I think your a heartless emotionless man and I don't want to be heartless and emotionless.
There's a difference between being emotionless and realistic. The world is indeed a cold place and we all know a loved one can die any minute, but if you truly love someone you will feel something when he/she dies. You'll miss that person. I'm beginning to doubt whether or not you can actually feel love or know what love is, because someone who loves someone doesn't just say 'well shit happens, life goes on' when his everything dies.
Maybe it is because of your accident that you cannot feel these emotions. If you can feel these emotions then don't pretend you are the norm or somehow 'above' emotional people. Because if you want to be realistic you'll notice almost everyone lives "in this wild fantasy world", so it seems to me that this cold world you live in, is the fantasy world.
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Jesus's parents were supposedly still around when he was strutting his stuff. So dya think Jesus would have been incapable of consoling someone who's mam and pap had died?
I think there are plenty of people on this earth who could perform admirably in this role, without them having gone through the same kind of grief. You don't expect your Doctor to have had experienced every illness known to man, and to have broken every bone in his body before treating you, do you?
I'm just curious why you would turn to the counselor for personal experience when you were surrounded by 15 other individuals who most definitely shared your experiences. I thought the point of the counselor in group therapy was to serve as a moderator of sorts, to encourage people to share their stories and allow individuals within the group to learn from one another.
Not to say you're wrong for not liking the counselor, I'm just wondering if it's one of those cases where you're going to have to search high and low to actually find a counselor who shares your experiences as opposed to just finding a group of people to relate with led by a single, objective counselor.
Sometimes you really do appear to disappear up your own arse Ahnimus.
*Byrnzie grabs Ahnimus by the legs and pulls him back out*
'self pity' you say? I take it that by this statement you are presuming to know every detail of what EarthGirl has gone through, and that you are familiar with the circumstances of her parents deaths?
Either that or you are so self-absorbed that you feel that your own personal sufferings in life eclipse those of anyone else's, and that therefore anyone else's problems are insignificant and worthy of derision.
I suggest that you reassess yourself and your place in the world fella.
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
No, I thought I clearly implied that I don't believe you need to experience a pain in order to have empathy or in order to console someone going through pain. And why bring Jesus into it? What'd he ever do to you?
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He makes me feel guilty when I masturbate! :(
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well.. when you are so lost that you can't find a way out.. you try everything to be found. So scared and alone feeling you are desperate and want to do anything to try and make that feeling go away.
I lost the feeling and safety of unconditional love, that's a very scary feeling, a very lonely feeling. After time you learn to deal with it and live with it in a more healthy way and learn to adapt I guess you could say. If that makes sense. The feeling of being unloved, uncared for, unwanted, or forgotten about is a much worse hunger then someone who is needing food. Before they were gone I never thought anyone could feel so lonely, even in a crowded room. I guess I was just looking for any way out.. it's all part of the journey. Then one day.. I just woke up. Time more then anything helped along the way.
okay everyone
Anyway, grief is a very difficult thing to work through b/c it is not a known feeling. We feel happy so we laugh, we feel sad...so we cry. We are jelous, we know how to handle that too. But grief....normally it is something that is rarely felt, and rarely dealt with appropiately. There are different stages of grief:
1. shock "What! What are you saying?"
2. denial "No, you have the wrong person, I just say them!"
3. Sadness "I don't know how I will get through this."
4 anger "Why would God take them?"
5 guilt (for feeling mad or for not doing more) "I could have been there when..."
6. understanding and acceptance "Man, can remember when ...... that was great!"
We have to feel all of these things and work through all of them. some of the feelings last a second, others last months. They do not go in any certain order, and they can seem to be unpredictable.
I have plenty more info if anyone would like any. Just PM me!
Hope some of that helps.
Kind of reminds me of this:
Dr. Hibbert: Now, a little death anxiety is normal. You can expect to go through five stages. The first is denial.
Homer: No way! Because I'm not dying!
Dr. Hibbert: The second is anger.
Homer: Why you little!
Dr. Hibbert: After that comes fear.
Homer: What's after fear? What's after fear?
Dr. Hibbert: Bargaining.
Homer: Doc, you gotta get me out of this! I'll make it worth your while!
Dr. Hibbert: Finally, acceptance.
Homer: Well, we all gotta go sometime.
Dr. Hibbert: Mr. Simpson, your progress astounds me.
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I lost a great friend once and if i was in a similar situation...and that counselor said that same thing to me...I imagine i might laugh right out loud...and get up and walk out.
your reaction...is fine. trust your own instincts. find someone else...or better yet...talk to the other people who've gone thru the same thing. (like some of those other 15 people). who knows more about it then you and them?
-Big Fish
I was hoping someone could help with this! :mad:
Hey, Earthgirl, maybe you could send your ex-councillor my way?
Is this the platform he'll be using in '08?
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"FUCK YOU! THAT"S MY NAME!"
I am also a counsellor, I work with children in crisis, runaways, foster children mostly... I was a foster child growing up then later adopted. I was directed to counselling and helping foster children through a few support workers I knew because they thought I would do best at this from personal experience. Sometimes insight is the key... Once I met the children and shared my experiences and they shared with me.. they only wanted to talk and share thier experiences with me because they felt that I would be able to relate and understand them better. That's not to say that other counsellor's suck at it.. I'm just saying that sometimes it helps a lot more if you have experienced the same things. The children often say and have said that they feel safe with telling me things.. that I know what they feel or how they feel, (obviously I dont know exactly what they are going through.. but I have a better idea then a book)... it's a connection that you just can't control.. it just happens... it's a special bond you form and no form of education can take that away.
Yeah, I getcha...that is a pretty dumb thing to say for a counsellor.
boo hoo, cry me a fucking river. sorry, but im not gonna feel sorry for you and how hard your tortured and fucked up childhood was. plenty of people had it worse than you and grew up to be better people.
i finally realized who you remind me of though and why you disgust me. i also recognized some of your plagiarism (the witty and cold lines you dropped on your ex). i've read the stranger too buddy. but you're a human being in a real world, not a character in a book.