Hmm, we just can't seem to get beyond past elections, huh? Thought this thread was about THIS election? These candidates? But take your shots anyways yous cans huh?
I think every election cycle is different, the challenges and opportunities different, the candidates different. The issues jockeying in importance.
But sure, I'd vote Biden over Obama or Kerry over Edwards. I think it was a great call to make Biden the Veep, though I can think of a few better ones...
Since you are giving your vote to McCain I guess you think Palin is a better one??
No disrespect intended but the election cycle comment is the biggest piece of BS I've read all night. Each to their own, but I fail to see ANY kind of election schedule where GW (who had NO experience) was fit to lead anything much less fit to have so many peoples (and probably yours) vote.
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Hmm, we just can't seem to get beyond past elections, huh? Thought this thread was about THIS election? These candidates? But take your shots anyways yous cans huh?
I think every election cycle is different, the challenges and opportunities different, the candidates different. The issues jockeying in importance.
But sure, I'd vote Biden over Obama or Kerry over Edwards. I think it was a great call to make Biden the Veep, though I can think of a few better ones...
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I'm just pointing out that it was only a mere 4 years ago when those very same things you stated were rasons why someone shouldn't be President.
Lifelong Washington career... spending political capital on his beliefs... and who cares about military service? Medals really don't mean shit.
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You cited those as qualifications... I simply pointed out that Kerry had the exact same 'qualifications'. I guess you never saw the similarities.
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I'm just pointing out that it was only a mere 4 years ago when those very same things you stated were rasons why someone shouldn't be President.
Lifelong Washington career... spending political capital on his beliefs... and who cares about military service? Medals really don't mean shit.
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You cited those as qualifications... I simply pointed out that Kerry had the exact same 'qualifications'. I guess you never saw the similarities.
Interesting certainly. But, I wasn't stating that 4 years ago (that these WEREN'T important criteria), and as I said, I thought Kerry was a better choice than Edwards. I have always thought standing up for what you believe in (ie not just "present"), and taking the heat, and a demonstrated aptitude for serving your fellow countryfolk are prerequisites for public office. ESP IF You put your life on the line for this country, you'll get my vote over someone who hasn't ... all else equal. I've been kicked off juries for refusing to take the word of the defendant over the word of a policeman (sure anyone can be corrupt, but in an apples-apples contest, those who serve get my vote). I thought Kerry was a great candidate and just took the shot at "past elections" because that's where it was, in the past.
...Most of his most significant achievements have been with ethics reform.
I'd be interested in his record of ethics reform in his home state and city. I may be wrong, but I can't recall reading about him taking many shots at Daley? He once almost did, and rescinded his comment a few hours later about the truck leasing scandal...
But I wouldn't be surprised someone from Chicago couldn't make MAJOR strides in ethics reform....
Neat site btw, thanks -- can't find "ethics reform" but I'll hunt around tonight.
I've been kicked off juries for refusing to take the word of the defendant over the word of a policeman (sure anyone can be corrupt, but in an apples-apples contest, those who serve get my vote). I thought Kerry was a great candidate and just took the shot at "past elections" because that's where it was, in the past.
No offense, but I believe you have a limited view of what it means to "serve." John McCain's military record is impeccable, but is Barack Obama's history of being a community organizer in Chicago, coupled with his history of numerous voter-registration drives in that same city, mean that Barack Obama has not served his country? There are many people in this country who want to serve their fellow citizens, but are either unable or unwilling to accompany an army to war, especially if they believe that war is unjust. Are we then to say that these community organizers, teachers and social workers, all fighting a demoralizing battle all their own, are not 'serving' their communities and countries? Personally, I find that viewpoint mighty unfair.
Interesting certainly. But, I wasn't stating that 4 years ago (that these WEREN'T important criteria), and as I said, I thought Kerry was a better choice than Edwards. I have always thought standing up for what you believe in (ie not just "present"), and taking the heat, and a demonstrated aptitude for serving your fellow countryfolk are prerequisites for public office. ESP IF You put your life on the line for this country, you'll get my vote over someone who hasn't ... all else equal. I've been kicked off juries for refusing to take the word of the defendant over the word of a policeman (sure anyone can be corrupt, but in an apples-apples contest, those who serve get my vote). I thought Kerry was a great candidate and just took the shot at "past elections" because that's where it was, in the past.
You are being very careful not to use GW's name in this...Cosmo is talking about the last FEDERAL election...not the primaries. Guess service only counts for you if the person in question is a republican.
"Rock and roll is something that can't be quantified, sometimes it's not even something you hear, but FEEL!" - Bob Lefsetz
No offense, but I believe you have a limited view of what it means to "serve." John McCain's military record is impeccable, but is Barack Obama's history of being a community organizer in Chicago, coupled with his history of numerous voter-registration drives in that same city, mean that Barack Obama has not served his country? There are many people in this country who want to serve their fellow citizens, but are either unable or unwilling to accompany an army to war, especially if they believe that war is unjust. Are we then to say that these community organizers, teachers and social workers, all fighting a demoralizing battle all their own, are not 'serving' their communities and countries? Personally, I find that viewpoint mighty unfair.
No no, you're entirely correct -- public service is right up there, and I almost went there, but c'mon, just a step back from "putting your life on the line." Military, Police, Firemen, First Responder. THough I'll be the first to admit that teachers these days are in many cases doing just that -- life on hold, life on the line even! Public service comes in many forms -- just that too often, when public service is politics or govt work, it's more about the peronsal gain than "us." I won't knock Obama's community organizing, but I won't put it on the level of enlistment in the armed forces. ANd too true, many who do join the military aren't doing it for "public service...." All kinds of shades to this, undoubtedly.
IF ALL their stances, all positions, all other experience were the exact same, and I had to vote for the vet or the community organizer...
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Since you are giving your vote to McCain I guess you think Palin is a better one??
No disrespect intended but the election cycle comment is the biggest piece of BS I've read all night. Each to their own, but I fail to see ANY kind of election schedule where GW (who had NO experience) was fit to lead anything much less fit to have so many peoples (and probably yours) vote.
I'm just pointing out that it was only a mere 4 years ago when those very same things you stated were rasons why someone shouldn't be President.
Lifelong Washington career... spending political capital on his beliefs... and who cares about military service? Medals really don't mean shit.
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You cited those as qualifications... I simply pointed out that Kerry had the exact same 'qualifications'. I guess you never saw the similarities.
Hail, Hail!!!
Interesting certainly. But, I wasn't stating that 4 years ago (that these WEREN'T important criteria), and as I said, I thought Kerry was a better choice than Edwards. I have always thought standing up for what you believe in (ie not just "present"), and taking the heat, and a demonstrated aptitude for serving your fellow countryfolk are prerequisites for public office. ESP IF You put your life on the line for this country, you'll get my vote over someone who hasn't ... all else equal. I've been kicked off juries for refusing to take the word of the defendant over the word of a policeman (sure anyone can be corrupt, but in an apples-apples contest, those who serve get my vote). I thought Kerry was a great candidate and just took the shot at "past elections" because that's where it was, in the past.
I'd be interested in his record of ethics reform in his home state and city. I may be wrong, but I can't recall reading about him taking many shots at Daley? He once almost did, and rescinded his comment a few hours later about the truck leasing scandal...
But I wouldn't be surprised someone from Chicago couldn't make MAJOR strides in ethics reform....
Neat site btw, thanks -- can't find "ethics reform" but I'll hunt around tonight.
No offense, but I believe you have a limited view of what it means to "serve." John McCain's military record is impeccable, but is Barack Obama's history of being a community organizer in Chicago, coupled with his history of numerous voter-registration drives in that same city, mean that Barack Obama has not served his country? There are many people in this country who want to serve their fellow citizens, but are either unable or unwilling to accompany an army to war, especially if they believe that war is unjust. Are we then to say that these community organizers, teachers and social workers, all fighting a demoralizing battle all their own, are not 'serving' their communities and countries? Personally, I find that viewpoint mighty unfair.
You are being very careful not to use GW's name in this...Cosmo is talking about the last FEDERAL election...not the primaries. Guess service only counts for you if the person in question is a republican.
No no, you're entirely correct -- public service is right up there, and I almost went there, but c'mon, just a step back from "putting your life on the line." Military, Police, Firemen, First Responder. THough I'll be the first to admit that teachers these days are in many cases doing just that -- life on hold, life on the line even! Public service comes in many forms -- just that too often, when public service is politics or govt work, it's more about the peronsal gain than "us." I won't knock Obama's community organizing, but I won't put it on the level of enlistment in the armed forces. ANd too true, many who do join the military aren't doing it for "public service...." All kinds of shades to this, undoubtedly.
IF ALL their stances, all positions, all other experience were the exact same, and I had to vote for the vet or the community organizer...