Who Eddie Supports

CitizenRick

_Crazy_Mary_ wrote:

Oh Eddie supports Obama! Let the sheeple Obamania begin.

I've loved Obama for the last four years...but it's pretty cool to see that the band shares my thoughts.

I realize by reading a few of your posts today that you are a righty...and that's fine...I'm a lefty... but my God...how can you just sit there and still believe in a failed policy?

McCain once poo-poohed Bush's reckless and incompetent Presidency ...now he adopts it?

I'ts time to go in another direction. You got any better ideas?????

NMyTree

FinsburyParkCarrots wrote:

Er, that's what's called being a politician.

And why is that acceptable?

Why this apathetic and defeatist mentality towards lying politicains who all play the same game and are all part of the same problem that has been destroying our country?

In some countries they take to the streets ...........demand their politicians are removed from office; if they don't follow through and live up to their "promises".

Maybe it is the acceptable standard of the people of the United States?

Or maybe it's more of a reflection of the overall morals, values and standards of the people who make of the United States?

Maybe these politicians are merely a reflection or a representation of what the people of this country have become. They are us, we are them?

FinsburyParkCarrots

The United States constitute a small squib on the map of political history. Go back to Aristotle. I think Obama hits a good Aristotelian mean, really, as politicians go.

NMyTree

FinsburyParkCarrots wrote:

It's not apathetic. It's pragmatic.

That tells you something right there.

When politicians of such low character (such as Bush Jr, Cheney, Clinton, Bush Sr. and Reagan) are considered acceptable because of pragmatism; that tells you how low the people of this country have fallen.

It's our fault these politicians are the way they are and we are equally to blame for the criminal and devious actions and deeds they commit.

Only we can raise the standards, raise the expectations amd demand they be met.

Or are we too pre-occupied with American Idol and Britney Spears' emotional issues?

FinsburyParkCarrots

NMyTree wrote:

That tells you something right there.

When politicians of such low character (such as Bush Jr, Cheney, Clinton, Bush Sr. and Reagan) are considered acceptable because of pragmatism; that tells you how low the people of this country have fallen.

It's our fault these politicians are the way they are and we are equally to blame for the criminal and devious actions and deeds they commit.

Only we can raise the standards, raise the expectations amd demand they be met.

Or are we too pre-occupied with American Idol and Britney Spears' emotional issues?

Pfffft. Study political philosophy and then come back to me.

Abookamongstthemany

FinsburyParkCarrots wrote:

Pfffft. Study political philosophy and then come back to me.

nm

NMyTree

FinsburyParkCarrots wrote:

Pfffft. Study political philosophy and then come back to me.

Political philosophy dicates that people lower their expectations, lower their standards to scarey depths, make excuses and shrug their shoulders in acceptance?

Abookamongstthemany

NMyTree wrote:

That tells you something right there.

When politicians of such low character (such as Bush Jr, Cheney, Clinton, Bush Sr. and Reagan) are considered acceptable because of pragmatism; that tells you how low the people of this country have fallen.

It's our fault these politicians are the way they are and we are equally to blame for the criminal and devious actions and deeds they commit.

Only we can raise the standards, raise the expectations amd demand they be met.

Or are we too pre-occupied with American Idol and Britney Spears' emotional issues?

supposed 'pragmatism' just offers up a world of excuses with no accountability. And is the reason so many are complaining and unhappy with the gov't yet do nothing to change it. Congress has an approval rating of less than 20% and so does the president. You gotta wonder who is benefiting from this pragmatic strategy and how many are displeased with the outcome of it. It's the ideology of being powerless and adapting to circumstances instead of progressing towards more ideal situations.

Abookamongstthemany

NMyTree wrote:

Political philosophy dicates that people lower their expectations, lower their standards to scarey depths, make excuses and shrug their shoulders in acceptance?

If so, then perhaps people should put down the text books for a moment and think up something that actually works for them, instead.

Urban Hiker

Abookamongstthemany wrote:

Not surprising considering the Kerry endorsement of '04.

Just when I thought he might follow his own words. :rolleyes:

"Gonna rise up
Turning mistakes into gold"

Abookamongstthemany

Urban Hiker wrote:

Just when I thought he might follow his own words. :rolleyes:

"Gonna rise up
Turning mistakes into gold"

'Can't wait for election day. Corporations rule the day.'

Yeah! Gimme some more of that!

I voted Kerry in '04 so I understand how one could buy into this but I now view that vote as a mistake and lapse in judgment.

Urban Hiker

Abookamongstthemany wrote:

'Can't wait for election day. Corporations rule the day.'

Yeah! Gimme some more of that!

I voted Kerry in '04 so I understand how one could buy into this but I now view that vote as a mistake and lapse in judgment.

IMHO (;)), Ed needs to hear that old saying:

Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me.

Abookamongstthemany

Urban Hiker wrote:

IMHO (;)), Ed needs to hear that old saying:

Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me.

It still cracks me up when I think about Bush screwing that quote up!

http://youtube.com/watch?v=8Ux3DKxxFoM

'There's an old saying in Tennessee, I know it's in Texas. It's probably in Tennessee'


It never gets old.

slightofjeff

NMyTree wrote:

Obama, his publicity campaign and his effect on many Americans is like one of those late night commercials for some goofy product (that always seems to come on TV when it's 2:30 AM and you're stoned).


It seems really neat, because they market and talk it up like it's the next best thing since sliced bread. Seems like it can do a thousand cool things and do it well.

So you get sucked in and buy into it.

Then you get a package, open it up to use it.

First time you try to use it, you realize it's just another worthless, flimsy piece of plastic which is useless, certainly not functional and that you won't accomplish a damn thing with it.

So you chuck into the back of your closet with the rest of your useless plastics gadgets. And it fits right in with the rest of the useless plastic crap; where it will sit for the next four to eight years. Till it's time to clean out your closet, again.

That is fucking awesome.

And dead on.

NMyTree

Abookamongstthemany wrote:

supposed 'pragmatism' just offers up a world of excuses with no accountability. And is the reason so many are complaining and unhappy with the gov't yet do nothing to change it. Congress has an approval rating of less than 20% and so does the president. You gotta wonder who is benefiting from this pragmatic strategy and how many are displeased with the outcome of it. It's the ideology of being powerless and adapting to circumstances instead of progressing towards more ideal situations.

Right. That's my whole point.

I mean........the answer here is " Well, it's pragmatic."

What the hell is that?

Oh okay, it's pragmatic. Guess I'll just shut up and accept it:rolleyes:

Are we the only ones who see this as a defeatist attitude and the response of the submissive? Pretty much an existence of servitude?

I don't know, maybe I have an attitude problem:D Maybe I'm more irritable and easily inspired to defiance; than others.

Or maybe my not consuming/digesting fluoride has something to do with it;)

Seriously though, people need to wake up and snap out of this malaise.

Abookamongstthemany

NMyTree wrote:

Right. That's my whole point.

I mean........the answer here is " Well, it's pragmatic."

What the hell is that?

Oh okay, it's pragmatic. Guess I'll just shut up and accept it:rolleyes:

Are we the only ones who see this as a defeatist attitude and the response of the submissive? Pretty much an existence of servitude?

I don't know, maybe I have an attitude problem:D Maybe I'm more irritable and easily inspired to defiance; than others.

Or maybe my not consuming/digesting fluoride has something to do with it;)

Seriously though, people need to wake up and snap out of this malaise.

I know that was your point...I was adding to it.


"The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man."
-George Bernard Shaw, Man and Superman (1903)
"Maxims for Revolutionists"

brandon10

NMyTree wrote:

What I have found interesting about a lot of Obama supporters that I know personally or have met, is this:

When I ask them if they have researched Obama's past record.....the issues/things he has voted for and voted against.....what he has supported and has not supported; they don't know. They start repeating whatever Obama has been saying on his campaign trail.

They don't realize that most of what Obama is claiming he is for and what he claims he will accomplish; is in a direct contridiction with what he has voted for, voted against and supported/not supported.

Make what you will of that.

But I know what I think about it.

I think the Obama haters are more obsessed than anyone!! It's scary really.

And you should really get over the fact that he voted for funding. When He starts pulling the troops out of Iraq, he doesn't want his hands tied. Your arguments are old.

And if you would look into his plans on education( a huge issue for many of us) you would see that he has some fantastic ideas. But you are to busy worrying about a funding vote that didn't matter. Even if he voted against the funding nothing would have changed. It would've been like a vote for Nader or McCain.

Baaaahaarack 08

unsung

If he goes on some Obama rant when I'm at one of these shows it will be the first time I actually boo the band. They will mix up those front row seats for sure. Ranting about Bush is fine, but even that gets old. Sing the songs, I go to the concerts for the music and to forget about things like politics. If I wanted to listen to politics I'd watch C-Span.

my2hands

brandon10 wrote:

I think the Obama haters are more obsessed than anyone!! It's scary really.

And you should really get over the fact that he voted for funding. When He starts pulling the troops out of Iraq, he doesn't want his hands tied. Your arguments are old.

And if you would look into his plans on education( a huge issue for many of us) you would see that he has some fantastic ideas. But you are to busy worrying about a funding vote that didn't matter. Even if he voted against the funding nothing would have changed. It would've been like a vote for Nader or McCain.

Baaaahaarack 08

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Abookamongstthemany

brandon10 wrote:

I think the Obama haters are more obsessed than anyone!! It's scary really.

And you should really get over the fact that he voted for funding. When He starts pulling the troops out of Iraq, he doesn't want his hands tied. Your arguments are old.

And if you would look into his plans on education( a huge issue for many of us) you would see that he has some fantastic ideas. But you are to busy worrying about a funding vote that didn't matter. Even if he voted against the funding nothing would have changed. It would've been like a vote for Nader or McCain.

Baaaahaarack 08

Obsessed or concerned with the fact that he might be our commander in chief and we don't agree with his policies. Maybe that's not something that concerns you but I'm pretty sure most of you have been bitching about Bush for 7 years now. So this argument is very hypocritical and pretty weak.

And the war funding is a very big issues, especially to anti-war types. So please concern yourself with whatever you choose and we will do the same, thank you.