Who Eddie Supports

NMyTree

SilverSeed wrote:

This could be the worst analogy I've ever read. Thumbs down.

I'm okay with that.

Doesn't detract from the fact that it's accurate.

NMyTree

SilverSeed wrote:

Ah much better. Now just get Billy Mays to sell it and we're golden!

The George Foreman Grill actually works very well. You just have to clean it well, after every cooking session.

So I disagree with it being an analogy for Obama.

fragileblake

It is, in my experience, both on the internet and in person (this is obviously anecdotal evidence, I doubt theres any peer reviewed study done on this anyway) that the most common critique of Obama supporters, and this is from Nader folks, Repubs and Clinton folks, that they are sheep. That somehow every supporter has been indoctrinated into some cult. I disagree strongly with folks in the democratic party that demonize nader and other third party candidates, hell, I voted for David Cobb in 2004. That being said, I understand the "lesser of two evils" strategy and think that someone can come to that conclusion with rationality. Thats certainly part of why I'm supporting Senator Obama this election. I'm not turning a blind eye to anything, I've just noticed, specifically on this board the repetition of the idea that Obama people = sheep and felt like speaking on that subject.

Gen5

Just to clear things up....I didn't start the thread b/c I needed Ed to tell me how to vote....My primary has come and gone months ago....I think it's silly that people vote just b/c a "celebrity" is throwing their support behind a canidate. Personally I am THRILLED that he isn't supporting Nader (my opinion, never liked him....however he picked a good running mate).

I started this thread b/c there was so much speculation around who he was supporting. Even after the poster came out. That's all......

Peace....

brandon10

Abookamongstthemany wrote:

Oh that is not being fair. I have been told on this board by many Obama supporters that Obama is the only way to vote if I want to end this war and I need to 'realize it', that my thoughts on withdrawal and foreign policy are irrational because I don't like Obama's views on it, that a vote for Nader is a vote for Mickey Mouse or McCain and those are off the top of my head. Let's not look the other way when it's people you agree with. It's not just people from any 'group'...it's all over the place from all types here.

You are right Abook, I have been guilty of this myself. But to call Obama supporters sheep and Obamamaniacs is clearly showing your jealousy of our candidate. He has as many supporters, actually way more supporters that understand his views than the other candidates. But because he also has great charisma and a likable personality he gathers many more supporters. I don't think it's such a bad thing that he is able to galvanize support through these characteristics. If only Nader or Kucinich had these traits, maybe they would have a shot.

Baaaahaarack 08....yes I'm a sheep now. Either that or goatboy

Abookamongstthemany

fragileblake wrote:

It is, in my experience, both on the internet and in person (this is obviously anecdotal evidence, I doubt theres any peer reviewed study done on this anyway) that the most common critique of Obama supporters, and this is from Nader folks, Repubs and Clinton folks, that they are sheep. That somehow every supporter has been indoctrinated into some cult. I disagree strongly with folks in the democratic party that demonize nader and other third party candidates, hell, I voted for David Cobb in 2004. That being said, I understand the "lesser of two evils" strategy and think that someone can come to that conclusion with rationality. Thats certainly part of why I'm supporting Senator Obama this election. I'm not turning a blind eye to anything, I've just noticed, specifically on this board the repetition of the idea that Obama people = sheep and felt like speaking on that subject.

And it is my experience to be marginalized as 'radical' or 'far left' not to mention 'unrealistic' and irrational' by Obama supporters here and elsewhere for supporting Nader. I acknowledge both happen. And I don't think of Obama supporters as sheep. I think most of you, at least here, are voting strategically...which would of course, involving a line of reasoning. I may disagree and question that reasoning but I don't view it as thoughtless or without reason.

All I am trying to say is lets be fair and realize these attempts to discredit people who disagree are coming from both sides.

fragileblake

Aren't Nader voters marginal by definition due to election results? I don't use the term "hard left" pejoratively, nader supporters are frequently further to the left of the general electorate, not always, but frequently.

Abookamongstthemany wrote:

And it is my experience to be marginalized

Dan O'

_Crazy_Mary_ wrote:

Oh Eddie supports Obama! Let the sheeple Obamania begin.

exactly what i was thinking....
well said

Abookamongstthemany

brandon10 wrote:

You are right Abook, I have been guilty of this myself. But to call Obama supporters sheep and Obamamaniacs is clearly showing your jealousy of our candidate. He has as many supporters, actually way more supporters that understand his views than the other candidates. But because he also has great charisma and a likable personality he gathers many more supporters. I don't think it's such a bad thing that he is able to galvanize support through these characteristics. If only Nader or Kucinich had these traits, maybe they would have a shot.

Baaaahaarack 08....yes I'm a sheep now. Either that or goatboy

I don't expect someone like Nader to be the type to sell himself. He's so good at what he does because he stays focused on his goals and is a type A personality that is mostly concerned with learning all he can on a subject and getting the job done. If he were the more social butterfly type, I doubt he would have accomplished all the things he has. He has pretty much devoted his entire life to his causes, protecting the citizenry, is unmarried and doesn't seem to have much of a social life. I view him as sacrificing all that for the better good or good fight. He's out there for us all and I appreciate all he has done for us.

I don't need my elected officials to be charismatic. I need to see that they have been out there working hard and have things to show for that hard work most importantly. Nader has proven himself capable and trustworthy. I can't say the same for Obama. And it worries me that some people overlook the lack of accomplishments in the Senate and on a community level and instead focus on what a great speaker he is or how likeable he is. None of that proves you can get the job done or that he will in fact do all the things he is promising, either. I think that if people gave up this fascination with celebrity and public personas, we'd start getting the type of leaders we need, imo.

Abookamongstthemany

fragileblake wrote:

Aren't Nader voters marginal by definition due to election results? I don't use the term "hard left" pejoratively, nader supporters are frequently further to the left of the general electorate, not always, but frequently.

Yes, by election results not ideology. I'm speaking of the remarks made about our reasoning, idealism and proposed solutions to our problems as being radical or far left when before election season these same people generally agreed with these ideas and supported them. It seems that now, since these ideas aren't part of Obama's plans, they are unrealistic and extreme.

LikeAnOcean

Answer me this, why is it when a large amount of people feel the same way about a candidate, the minority are quick to judge them as sheep because they share a same overwhelming similar opinion.

Nader's a great guy with a lot of great ideas. If you agree with those ideas then vote for him with your heart. Obama's also a great guy with great ideas, but don't be so quick to tear him down. He's playing the game to get elected. Nader is not and because of that, he choosing a different path. Nader knows he won't win. He's trying to make a point. He's fighting to slowly give third parties more strength..

Honestly, I'm tired of people telling me who to vote for and why. I'm a big boy.

Obama in '08!

SilverSeed

NMyTree wrote:

I'm okay with that.

Doesn't detract from the fact that it's accurate.

Oi... If it was accurate I wouldn't call it horrible. But your post about the Foreman grill is pretty funny. Keep those coming.

Abookamongstthemany

LikeAnOcean wrote:

Honestly, I'm tired of people telling me who to vote for and why. I'm a big boy.

Obama in '08!

No one is telling anyone who to vote for. We are debating reasons Nader, in my case, and Obama, in others, is worthy of support. The choice is up to you. All people do here is argue the case for whatever issue/candidate they like.

aNiMaL

Number 18 wrote:

How the hell do you find out about secret shows? Obviously it isn't easy or they wouldn't be secret, but there's gotta be some tips on how to figure out when/where they are played...

These shows were only a few blocks from my house...

Crazy, crazy good luck!! I drove up from Tacoma for the 2nd secret show.

NMyTree

SilverSeed wrote:

Oi... If it was accurate I wouldn't call it horrible. But your post about the Foreman grill is pretty funny. Keep those coming.

NMyTree

What I have found interesting about a lot of Obama supporters that I know personally or have met, is this:

When I ask them if they have researched Obama's past record.....the issues/things he has voted for and voted against.....what he has supported and has not supported; they don't know. They start repeating whatever Obama has been saying on his campaign trail.

They don't realize that most of what Obama is claiming he is for and what he claims he will accomplish; is in a direct contridiction with what he has voted for, voted against and supported/not supported.

Make what you will of that.

But I know what I think about it.

Abookamongstthemany

NMyTree wrote:

What I have found interesting about a lot of Obama supporters that I know personally or have met, is this:

When I ask them if they have researched Obama's past record.....the issues/things he has voted for and voted against.....what he has supported and has not supported; they don't know. They start repeating whatever Obama has been saying on his campaign trail.

They don't realize that most of what Obama is claiming he is for and what he claims he will accomplish; is in a direct contridiction with what he has voted for, voted against and supported/not supported.

Make what you will of that.

But I know what I think about it.

Agreed.

FinsburyParkCarrots

NMyTree wrote:

What I have found interesting about a lot of Obama supporters that I know personally or have met, is this:

When I ask them if they have researched Obama's past record.....the issues/things he has voted for and voted against.....what he has supported and has not supported; they don't know. They start repeating whatever Obama has been saying on his campaign trail.

They don't realize that most of what Obama is claiming he is for and what he claims he will accomplish; is in a direct contridiction with what he has voted for, voted against and supported/not supported.

Make what you will of that.

But I know what I think about it.

Er, that's what's called being a politician.

Abookamongstthemany

FinsburyParkCarrots wrote:

Er, that's what's called being a politician.

And we accept that and don't expect better? We will continue to get what we deserve out of our elected officials with this apathetic mentality. 'No need to do your job and serve the people...you're a politician. Continue to screw things up while we flip the bill.'

Ugh

FinsburyParkCarrots

It's not apathetic. It's pragmatic.