The Band's Opinion of Rudy G

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  • cropduster
    cropduster Posts: 52
    Abuskedti wrote:
    I don't think of Rudy as a war Monger.. I don't think much of him at all. I know that he is the symbol of 9-11, and 9-11 is a bad memory - and our response a worse memory.

    It time to put that behind us and move ahead. Electing Rudy would help that day and the hate is created linger yet longer...

    well you are certainly entitled to your opinion, but of course, you are in the minority. RG's favorability and likability are among the highest of any public figure in the nation right now. he is almost always referred to as the "hero" of 9/11. so while what happened on 9/11 was horrible, most educated people do not associate him with the acts themselves (except of course the wackos that think he was part of the attack), but rather the heroism he displayed in holding the city, and in large part, the nation together during that terrible time. like it or not, he essentially became america's spokesman in the hours immediately following 9/11.

    regardless of how you feel about his politics, i think your association with him and the negative aspects of 9/11 (death, destruction, iraq etc) is completely missing the point.
  • cincybearcat
    cincybearcat Posts: 16,951
    soulsinging wrote:
    one issue voters are SOOOO smart :rolleyes:


    It's not 1 issue voting...but issues can have different weights

    Your comment is pretty stupid really...sorry...but it is. What about the people voting for Dems this last time around to vote against the war? Stupid? I don't think so...it was such an important issue for many that it trumped their needs in other areas.
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  • soulsinging
    soulsinging Posts: 13,202
    cincybearcat wrote:
    It's not 1 issue voting...but issues can have different weights

    Your comment is pretty stupid really...sorry...but it is. What about the people voting for Dems this last time around to vote against the war? Stupid? I don't think so...it was such an important issue for many that it trumped their needs in other areas.

    no, your stance is stupid. you list 3 excellent reasons for a candidate, qualities few and far between anymore, then decide he's unelectable becos of one social issue that no candidate is going to do a thing to change anyway. that reads like one issue voting to me. i used to have some respect for you, but your recent religious conversion or whatever has really changed that. and if you think any candidate out there is actually going to take a stand on abortion you must've been indulging in the hippy drug of choice lately. abortion is nothing more than a wicker man for republicans to lock up the votes of people like yourselves who get flooded by moral outrage over the evil baby killers. they don't give 2 shits about abortion and have been using it to play you for 30 years.
  • OutOfBreath
    OutOfBreath Posts: 1,804
    *sits back*
    *grabs popcorn*

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  • cincybearcat
    cincybearcat Posts: 16,951
    soulsinging wrote:
    no, your stance is stupid. you list 3 excellent reasons for a candidate, qualities few and far between anymore, then decide he's unelectable becos of one social issue that no candidate is going to do a thing to change anyway. that reads like one issue voting to me. i used to have some respect for you, but your recent religious conversion or whatever has really changed that. and if you think any candidate out there is actually going to take a stand on abortion you must've been indulging in the hippy drug of choice lately. abortion is nothing more than a wicker man for republicans to lock up the votes of people like yourselves who get flooded by moral outrage over the evil baby killers. they don't give 2 shits about abortion and have been using it to play you for 30 years.


    You are doing a lot of ASSuming my friend. Abortion carries weight with me because I think it's murder. So it is difficult for me to vote for someone that would protect people's right to kill their babies. It is however not the only issue and if that candidate can combate that stance by being better on a number of other stances, I will certainly vote for them.

    I will agree that many repubs have taken advantage of the abortion situation to get votes they don't deserve. Just like the Dems did with the war.

    Wow, my recent religious what? Dude, I don't go to church. I just don't like to hate people because of their religious beliefs. If that loses me your respect so be it. If any of the people heard your comment about me and religion they would get a good laugh.

    I have to ask...you using again? You don't seem like the same person recently. Maybe it's just stress. Take care.
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  • cincybearcat
    cincybearcat Posts: 16,951
    cincybearcat wrote:
    I have no idea what the band thinks about Rudy.

    But here's my opinion:

    I think he is a terrific leader. I think he is strong-willed and able to get things done.

    I appreciate that he is more socially liberal then most republican candidates though I strongly disagree with him regarding abortion. That being said, even with the religious republicans running things the last 6 years, we still have abortions, so I don't think that will change unfortunately for sometime. It's a sad realization that I have come to know recently.

    So, his stance on abortion might keep me from supporting him, but probably not anymore.

    I think his stance on abortion/gays/and her personal life will hurt him in the republican primary, though unless someone else emerges soon (and it's not going to be McCain), I think he will still win the repub nomination and I also think he stands a great chance of winning the presidency.

    Try reading it again soul. Especially the middle part.
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  • mattosborne
    mattosborne Posts: 339
    I'm a proud democrat but, I can say that under the right circumstances, I could potentially vote for him, ASSUMING he comes out against the war and makes it clear he will withdrawal.
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  • soulsinging
    soulsinging Posts: 13,202
    cincybearcat wrote:
    Try reading it again soul. Especially the middle part.

    yet you continue to fall for it every time and will deny a strong candidate your vote solely becos of one issue that you even acknowledge is not going to change. yeah, ive changed, law school will do that to you. but you've changed too, you didnt used to be such a pro-life crusader, you used to be a pretty reasonable and balanced guy even when i disagreed with you.
  • searchlightsoul
    searchlightsoul Posts: 583
    Just out of curiosity has anyone ever been elected to congreess who was single and not Christian?
  • soulsinging
    soulsinging Posts: 13,202
    searchlightsoul wrote:
    Just out of curiosity has anyone ever been elected to congreess who was single and not Christian?

    many single congressional reps. many divorced too... not that that interferes with their mindless rhetoric about "family values." non-christian? very, very few. and the ones who aren't are jewish.
  • RolandTD20Kdrummer
    RolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    I think anyone who idolizes a politician should be euthanized...
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    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
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  • cincybearcat
    cincybearcat Posts: 16,951
    soulsinging wrote:
    yet you continue to fall for it every time and will deny a strong candidate your vote solely becos of one issue that you even acknowledge is not going to change. yeah, ive changed, law school will do that to you. but you've changed too, you didnt used to be such a pro-life crusader, you used to be a pretty reasonable and balanced guy even when i disagreed with you.


    Not sure where you got that info...I wouldn't deny a strong candidate if they were pro-choice, it would just make it a little harder for them to get my vote that's all.

    Pro-life crusader? Hmm...I have been thinking about that more lately but hardly a crusader. I guess having a kid on the way will make you think about these things.

    Anyhow, it's somewhat comical that we are even discussing this currently since I agree with you that being just a 1 issue voter is not the smartest choice and that I agree with you that no candidate seems to every really take on the abortion issue anyhow (read my first post). So, my point is, abortion while still very important to me holds less weight when I evaluate candidates now then it use to. Doesn't sound like a pro-life crusader to me.

    So, how's that sound to you? You are preaching to the choir here....well more like badgering and abusing the choir but I think you know what I mean.

    And the other bottom line for me is that SO FAR, I think Rudy G is the candidate for me. I have more work to do (and so does he) though.
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  • soulsinging
    soulsinging Posts: 13,202
    cincybearcat wrote:
    Not sure where you got that info...I wouldn't deny a strong candidate if they were pro-choice, it would just make it a little harder for them to get my vote that's all.

    Pro-life crusader? Hmm...I have been thinking about that more lately but hardly a crusader. I guess having a kid on the way will make you think about these things.

    Anyhow, it's somewhat comical that we are even discussing this currently since I agree with you that being just a 1 issue voter is not the smartest choice and that I agree with you that no candidate seems to every really take on the abortion issue anyhow (read my first post). So, my point is, abortion while still very important to me holds less weight when I evaluate candidates now then it use to. Doesn't sound like a pro-life crusader to me.

    So, how's that sound to you? You are preaching to the choir here....well more like badgering and abusing the choir but I think you know what I mean.

    And the other bottom line for me is that SO FAR, I think Rudy G is the candidate for me. I have more work to do (and so does he) though.

    i got the impression from your post that he wasnt the candidate for you becos of abortion. glad to hear that isn't the case and we agree on everything else.

    dont become a crusader though. those people are ridiculous.

    and people who suddenly find god when they have kids annoy me too, so ill try to keep my distance ;)
  • cincybearcat
    cincybearcat Posts: 16,951
    soulsinging wrote:

    and people who suddenly find god when they have kids annoy me too, so ill try to keep my distance ;)


    My stance on abortion has nothing to do with religion.
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  • callen
    callen Posts: 6,388
    cincybearcat wrote:
    My stance on abortion has nothing to do with religion.

    but how one can feel that the moment the sperm connects...its suddenly a human without getting those thoughts and views from a religious view just confuses the shit out of me. Its a bunch of cells...thats all. Read in your previous post..that your expecting....and you said that may have something to do with it...maybe thats it....we want to feel that what we create is special...been taught how special our kids are....I don't know...not trying to be an ass by the way.
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  • cincybearcat
    cincybearcat Posts: 16,951
    callen wrote:
    but how one can feel that the moment the sperm connects...its suddenly a human without getting those thoughts and views from a religious view just confuses the shit out of me. Its a bunch of cells...thats all. Read in your previous post..that your expecting....and you said that may have something to do with it...maybe thats it....we want to feel that what we create is special...been taught how special our kids are....I don't know...not trying to be an ass by the way.


    I appreciate you position, but I still stick to what I said. My anti-abortion stance has nothing to do with religion...morals yes...liek don't shoot your next door neighbor...religion nope.

    And I felt this way for a long time, not just recently.
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  • Abuskedti
    Abuskedti Posts: 1,917
    cincybearcat wrote:
    My stance on abortion has nothing to do with religion.

    abortion has nothing to do with the presidency either.
  • dharma69
    dharma69 Posts: 1,275
    cropduster wrote:
    I wonder how the band feels about him.
    I don't.
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  • cincybearcat
    cincybearcat Posts: 16,951
    Abuskedti wrote:
    abortion has nothing to do with the presidency either.


    Fair point that I think I already made as far as policies, etc that nobody is even really dealing with the issue. There are a few issues like this.

    Though GW did get to nominate 2 supreme court justices that won't touch the issue either. ;)
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