The Band's Opinion of Rudy G

OutOfBreath

Fighting Hellfish wrote:

This can't be good. Guiliani doesn't talk to his kids. With everything in his closet, this ain't gonna help

http://nydailynews.com/front/story/502499p-423782c.html

I still fail to understand why a politician's family life matters when we're talking politics. Most leaders and top politicians get where they are because most of them are ambitious ass-holes. Goes for most soccer players as well, mind you. But what does it matter when they support the right issues, or play for the right team? I dont see why I should condone my candidate's private life for me to vote for his political program.

That being said, I probably wouldn't support any republican no matter how "centrist", but if it's gonna be a republican, let it be a New York republican, sure.

Peace
Dan

soulsinging

WindNoSail wrote:

I think you guys/gals overemphasize the reactions you expect from 'nutty' Christians, I mean I expect that alot of the Republican base will support Guilliani in the end, and he won't make the mistake that McCain is by trying to be something he has never been before just to warm up to the organized political groups that I think are nutty.

Most people are more reaonable than you think, including Christians. Look at the November elections, they didn't go out and support hard right candidates in the populace or we would have had a different outcome.

I am just sayin'.

how did bush beat mccain in 2000? by running right of him and painting him as the abortion loving heathen in disguise. the democrats won congress this time around by running very moderate candidates... it was not a liberal platform, it was a conservative platform that happened to be anti-war/corruption. the fact is, this is a conservative country and the christian evangelicals have a huge and powerful influence on the republican party. guiliani is going to have to face that heat. i hope he weathers it, he seems a decent candidate as far as im concerned. but dont think his personal life is not going to become an issue in a lot of conservative republican strongholds.

cincybearcat

I have no idea what the band thinks about Rudy.

But here's my opinion:

I think he is a terrific leader. I think he is strong-willed and able to get things done.

I appreciate that he is more socially liberal then most republican candidates though I strongly disagree with him regarding abortion. That being said, even with the religious republicans running things the last 6 years, we still have abortions, so I don't think that will change unfortunately for sometime. It's a sad realization that I have come to know recently.

So, his stance on abortion might keep me from supporting him, but probably not anymore.

I think his stance on abortion/gays/and her personal life will hurt him in the republican primary, though unless someone else emerges soon (and it's not going to be McCain), I think he will still win the repub nomination and I also think he stands a great chance of winning the presidency.

hippiemom

As much as I don't want either of them to become president, I think a Clinton-Giuliani race would be refreshing. With their histories, neither of them would be able to use "family values" bullshit against the other, maybe we could talk about things that really matter, things that are actually the business of government.

soulsinging

hippiemom wrote:

As much as I don't want either of them to become president, I think a Clinton-Giuliani race would be refreshing. With their histories, neither of them would be able to use "family values" bullshit against the other, maybe we could talk about things that really matter, things that are actually the business of government.

there's a thought i hadn't considered. that would be a nice change.

soulsinging

cincybearcat wrote:

So, his stance on abortion might keep me from supporting him, but probably not anymore.

one issue voters are SOOOO smart :rolleyes:

ledvedderman

soulsinging wrote:

one issue voters are SOOOO smart :rolleyes:

The one or two issue voters make up the vast majority of both parties it seems anymore.

Now Rudy dropping the ball on the air quality numbers at ground zero causing many deaths, that might come back to bite him in the ass.

norm

hippiemom wrote:

As much as I don't want either of them to become president, I think a Clinton-Giuliani race would be refreshing. With their histories, neither of them would be able to use "family values" bullshit against the other, maybe we could talk about things that really matter, things that are actually the business of government.

Good point. But I still don't want either of them for President.

macgyver06

cropduster wrote:

I am a huuuuuge giuliani fan, and have been for some time. I think he is the uniter that our country needs right now. Im sure many of you do not feel this way, but rather than getting into that, I wonder how the band feels about him. I would like to think that ed especially could put aside his political bias and try to look at RG objectively. Any thoughts?

not trying to start an argument (yes i am). but can you explain to me why he is a uniter.

macgyver06

hippiemom wrote:

As much as I don't want either of them to become president, I think a Clinton-Giuliani race would be refreshing. With their histories, neither of them would be able to use "family values" bullshit against the other, maybe we could talk about things that really matter, things that are actually the business of government.

what is wrong with their families?

soulsinging

macgyver06 wrote:

not trying to start an argument (yes i am). but can you explain to me why he is a uniter.

he'll keep our narcissistic kids from ruining the country.

macgyver06

soulsinging wrote:

he'll keep our narcissistic kids from ruining the country.

you just made my *people to not respect* list

Repected: Everyone

Not Respected: soulsinging

El_Kabong

soulsinging wrote:

how did bush beat mccain in 2000? by running right of him and painting him as the abortion loving heathen in disguise. the democrats won congress this time around by running very moderate candidates... it was not a liberal platform, it was a conservative platform that happened to be anti-war/corruption. the fact is, this is a conservative country and the christian evangelicals have a huge and powerful influence on the republican party. guiliani is going to have to face that heat. i hope he weathers it, he seems a decent candidate as far as im concerned. but dont think his personal life is not going to become an issue in a lot of conservative republican strongholds.

bush also had someone say at a bush rally before a southern primary, that mccain opposed every measure to help injured/disabled vets...some of the bills they claimed mccain voted against were bills mccain co/introduced <and said was gay, his wife was a drug addict, that he had cheated on his wife and had a 'black child' even tho it was common knolwedge he adopted a child from bangladesh>!! mccain was winning the primaries before that one...

the bush machine beat mccain the way they 'win' anything; they lie

soulsinging

macgyver06 wrote:

you just made my *people to not respect* list

Repected: Everyone

Not Respected: soulsinging

for being 23 you're in dire need of some adult-like reasoning skills. that was a joke buddy.

macgyver06

soulsinging wrote:

for being 23 you're in dire need of some adult-like reasoning skills. that was a joke buddy.

so was mine loo hooo zaa her

soulsinging

macgyver06 wrote:

so was mine loo hooo zaa her

now if we could only get you to admit that most of our peers dont give a flying fuck about the world...

callen

cropduster wrote:

well i work for the giuliani expl committee, so i certainly don't don't need anybody's permission......does that answer your question?

anyway, i was simply curious as to what other people thought about this. he is a diff kind of republican candidate, and I assume that b/c of this, the band might have a slightly (or completely) different opinion of him.

If Rudi's Pro Choice, Pro Gay Marriage, Pro Seperation of Church and State, and anti war...and had the balls to admit it...then yes the fellas would approve. Very simple really.

macgyver06

soulsinging wrote:

now if we could only get you to admit that most of our peers dont give a flying fuck about the world...

dude..just pick a location and survey a 100 people...should take 1 hour..2 tops...and you will get your answer.

callen

mca47 wrote:

While I'm most def. not a Republican, if it came down to RG and someone else in the Repub. party I'd take RG any day. There was a time where I respected McCain...but that was a long time ago before he literally sold his soul to the highest bidder.

Annnnnyway...
There is no way he'd be where he is if it wasn't for that horrible tragedy and I think he exploited that as best he could.

But....you know what his true feelings are about the right...bunch of wacko's so if he fibs to them to get their vote....good with me. Soooo if its got to be a republican..I'll take McCain....RG seems weak to me....my perception anyway...course after W, anyone would be a blessing. (-:

Abuskedti

cropduster wrote:

I am a huuuuuge giuliani fan, and have been for some time. I think he is the uniter that our country needs right now. Im sure many of you do not feel this way, but rather than getting into that, I wonder how the band feels about him. I would like to think that ed especially could put aside his political bias and try to look at RG objectively. Any thoughts?

I don't think of Rudy as a war Monger.. I don't think much of him at all. I know that he is the symbol of 9-11, and 9-11 is a bad memory - and our response a worse memory.

It time to put that behind us and move ahead. Electing Rudy would help that day and the hate is created linger yet longer...