Why Aren't We Shocked?

eden

Ahnimus wrote:

That all took place in a little town called Powell River B.C. population approx. 25, 000. I have more experiences from Victoria B.C., Orillia ON and London ON. If you'd like to hear them, lol.

Wow, its just crazy that you were attracted to those types so many times and that you found so many - were they living under rocks when you met them?
Anyway,You should step into my world. I have some beautiful, intelligent single girlfriends who happen to be sane and productive members of society as well.

Ahnimus

eden wrote:

Wow, its just crazy that you were attracted to those types so many times and that you found so many - were they living under rocks when you met them?
Anyway,You should step into my world. I have some beautiful, intelligent single girlfriends who happen to be sane and productive members of society as well.

Haha, I don't think they would like me. Probably too smug, productive women usually are

soulsinging

Ahnimus wrote:

Haha, I don't think they would like me. Probably too smug, productive women usually are

huh?

eden

Ahnimus wrote:

Haha, I don't think they would like me. Probably too smug, productive women usually are

No, productive women usually want to take care of bad boys, until they wise up that is

soulsinging

Ahnimus wrote:

My point is, everyone is dealing with it situationally. They only care about their situation, they only fight for their situation. We need a blanket approach to all violence. If you say "Violence against women" that mans men are to blame. Likewise if you say "Violence against men" women are to blame. If you say "Violence" you finally have an accurate discription of what is really happening and who is to blame, everyone.

i dont know, that seems unmanageable. it's like saying "we're going to solve hunger." it's too huge a project to take on like that. it HAS to be split up into areas we can focus on to make progress. as long as we have people working hard on all the issues then it will get done. or so i like to hope.

Ahnimus

soulsinging wrote:

huh?

Now I'm just being a prick. Hook me up

Ahnimus

soulsinging wrote:

i dont know, that seems unmanageable. it's like saying "we're going to solve hunger." it's too huge a project to take on like that. it HAS to be split up into areas we can focus on to make progress. as long as we have people working hard on all the issues then it will get done. or so i like to hope.

I don't think that works, it's segregation, it's the cause of these problems.

soulsinging

Ahnimus wrote:

I don't think that works, it's segregation, it's the cause of these problems.

i see it more as delegation than segregation. when you run a business, you split tasks up and get diff people working on diff parts. cos otherwise nothing ever gets done. in any case, i need to get some homework done, so ill have to leave the world-saving to the rest of the moving train

Ahnimus

What do you make of these lyrics?

It might be a little off topic, but I suppose it depends on how you interpret the lyrics.

Oh My Lady - Xavier Naidoo

It was cold. But she was lovely. I was told. That she would
never love me. But still I hoped the love I felt it could be trusted. So
my case soon came to justice. I found out they had taken my rights long
ago and what they gave in return wasn't nearly so. But how could I've known
never was I shown little had I grown inside I was torn. But her life's my concern I
long have ignored the fact that I love you but I can't anymore - oh my lady.

Ref: Oh my lady, gone for a year, she told me maybe once she could stay here with me, oh
she's alive in my heart, in my mind, in my soul, there's a glow in my heart in my mind, in
my soul. There's a glow, there's a glow, there's a glow, there's a glow - there's a glow.

Where my lady are you now. A love so sacred still not allowed - life is hard. Sometimes, life can be
dreadfull and this life I guess is more than a handfull. In this war, we can not use weapons. And in this
war we can only learn lessons. They had taken unripe fruits from the tree and I learned my lesson when
they gave them to me, more could I see, clouds under me. I saw wars upon land I saw wars under sea

Ref: Oh my lady, gone for a year, she told me maybe once she could stay here with me, oh she's alive in my
heart, in my mind, in my soul, there's a light in my heart in my mind, in my soul. There's a
glow, there's a glow, there's a glow - there's a glow

sonicreducer

catefrances wrote:

did she punch you in the face as she said it? if not then i'd say you got off lightly all things considered.

id say so after reading this thread,...

gettingright

Hi. This is the first time I've posted, or really read anything in the Moving Train, and all I have to say for the poster is: BRAVO!!!!, great article, and I think your interpretation are spot on!

Everyday I am disgusted at the way women are portrayed in the overall media, and how I see it reflected in our culture and society.

I do hope that I continue to be shocked and disgusted and don't become passive with regard to the treatment of women in this country. It is high time that all men and women of this country wake up to the true nature of this tragic, unyielding oppression.

One final note, I did not read through all the pages, but I did want to tell the poster that there is one more person who sees....

Ahnimus

gettingright wrote:

Hi. This is the first time I've posted, or really read anything in the Moving Train, and all I have to say for the poster is: BRAVO!!!!, great article, and I think your interpretation are spot on!

Everyday I am disgusted at the way women are portrayed in the overall media, and how I see it reflected in our culture and society.

I do hope that I continue to be shocked and disgusted and don't become passive with regard to the treatment of women in this country. It is high time that all men and women of this country wake up to the true nature of this tragic, unyielding oppression.

One final note, I did not read through all the pages, but I did want to tell the poster that there is one more person who sees....

How do you know there is oppression? Because some dude shot 5 amish girls?

Ahnimus

I get the impression that we will only be satisfied when people indiscriminately shoot up schools. Oh wait, they already do that.

Ahnimus

I was talking to a guy earlier with a criminology degree. He says there is no way to know what motivated this guy. He had abused two members of his family and was having nightmares about his daughter's death. Then he went and did this. Makes no sense, even to someone with a criminology degree. I've also studied criminology, there is no evidence this was a hate crime.

surferdude

catefrances wrote:

it's not irrelevant ahnimus.
if the violence perpetuated against these men is by other men then surely that has to be noted.

and you're right, it isn't always the man's fault. nor was i suggesting it was.

When there is violence against anyone society should care. It should matter the sex of the abused or abuser. But that's not the world we live in. We accept violence against men by either sex. We somewhat accept violence against women by other women. We act correctly with regards to violence against women by men. The blaise attitude towards the violence in every man's life is astonishing. An example of society's culturally accepted mysandry and contempt for men???

surferdude

Cosmo wrote:

...
Actually... that sounds kinda wussy. I know, I'm not getting my ass beat by a woman... and if I did... I'm not reporting it to the cops... which i wouldn't have to because no woman is going to beat my ass.
As for a 'Men's Shelter'... who, in their right mind, would want to stay in a place with a bunch of wussy fucks? No thanx... I'll take my chances out on the street.

The reason there should be more men's shelters is because more women abuse children than men. The fathers of these children should have a safe place to take their children.

Abookamongstthemany

surferdude wrote:

When there is violence against anyone society should care. It should matter the sex of the abused or abuser. But that's not the world we live in. We accept violence against men by either sex. We somewhat accept violence against women by other women. We act correctly with regards to violence against women by men. The blaise attitude towards the violence in every man's life is astonishing. An example of society's culturally accepted mysandry and contempt for men???

I definitely see this point. I've seen it happen from both sexes and have a hard time seeing one as a more deserving victim over another. Domestic abuse is a huge issue.

seanw1010

womenhold on to grudgesforever, where men just have a punch for a punch and get over with, and the next day theyre friends.
so, yes, women are more viscious than men.

i do agree, SOME women should be treated better in society. as for others, they choose to be sluts(not that i mind :0) but really, its their own fault for being bimbos.

btw, this is coming from a 14 yr. old, so go easy on me

soulsinging

surferdude wrote:

When there is violence against anyone society should care. It should matter the sex of the abused or abuser. But that's not the world we live in. We accept violence against men by either sex. We somewhat accept violence against women by other women. We act correctly with regards to violence against women by men. The blaise attitude towards the violence in every man's life is astonishing. An example of society's culturally accepted mysandry and contempt for men???

i think it's got to do with protecting the weaker members of society. there are a whole slew of measures for this. welfare protects the poor from abuse. worker and consumer rights laws protect individual citizens from juggernaut corporations. child services protects children from abuse by adults. these classes get special consideration becos in some sense it is necessary. one lone consumer or worker is powerless to stand up to a corporation without some extra support.

while i disagreed with much of the insinuations of the thread the other day, there was a valid point in men from a purely physical standpoint being more dangerous when assaulting a woman. i took issue with that thread's implication that the ONLY violence was that of men against women and pointed out that many times men got a losing deal in the bargain in the assumption that they are the wrongdoer no matter what the situation was. that is wrong. however, there is truth in the physical power differential. this does not excuse violence by women against men and nobody here is advocating that. but the fact is, our society is structured in a way that attempts to equalize the playing field by putting larger restraints upon the powerful and greater resources at the disposal of the weak.

if a corporation rips off another corporation, it is still wrong. if a kid hits another kid on the playground, it is still wrong. if a corporation screws its employee out of a comp settlement, it is also wrong but we often see it as "more wrong", becos the corporation has an imbalance of power and we bristle at it taking unfair advantage of that. likewise, we are more repulsed by an adult hitting a child than a child hitting a child or an adult hitting another adult, becos there is a distinct power differential that makes treating the actions the same unconscionable.

nobody denies that women can do horrible things to men. but men can also do horrible things to women and becos in many respects they still have a slight power advantage (earning potential... yes it still exists, physical stature) in some areas, we give greater deference to women. is it unfair sometimes? probably. but this is an imperfect system in an imperfect world. i doubt there are few here who would argue that a priest who fondles a boy deserves no different punishment from a man who tries to fondle another man in prison. why? becos one has a distinct power of the other and the other is better able to defense himself.


when it comes to sexual objectification and sexual violence, women bear the brunt of those crimes. it is simple fact. the statistics show it... men raping men, women raping women, and women raping men all pale in comparison to incidents of men raping women. we still have a long way to go and women still needs ardent protection from sexual abuse. however, on other issues, the balance has shifted. for instance, child custody overwhelmingly and unfairly favors women and MEN need better resources and protection in this area. it goes both ways. but the existence of unfairness shows that it is not as simple as trying to "treat it all the same" becos they are not the same issues.

to carry this idea of looking only at the root issue with no regard to the external factors to its extreme is to lead to absurd conclusions. someone who loses control of his car and kills a passerby should get the same punishment as someone who cold-bloodedly calculates to murder an entire family... because the root issue (killing someone) is the same. a woman who stabs her child should be treated no differently from a guy who decks someone in a bar fight while drunk... becos the root issue (violent attack) is the same. when we discuss things like social right and wrong, the balance of power, desire to protect those who are at a disadvantage, and the degree of potential harm from that imbalance has to come into play. it might sometimes lead to bias or overcompensation, as when abuse of men by women goes ignored or violence overshadows the stripping of parental rights. but the initial imbalance means that on the whole, men are more able to bear that burden than women. just as a corporation can afford to occasionally absorb a few frivolous lawsuits more than a lone employee who was crippled by his employer's negligence. someone will always take a loss, the goal is to try and minimize the total loss by shifting the burden of it to the person most able to bear it. this is not perfect, but for now it's the best we've got and it's a reasonable way to try to protect the disadvantaged while we work towards equality in the middle.

Will1659

Probably repeating something that's already been said as I don't want to sort through 15 pages here, but I don't dispute that our culture is still prejudiced against women (I think misogyny might be a bit too strong of a word). However the notion that we should be more upset or have deeper discussions about this tragedy in Pennnsylvania because it was five girls rather than five boys or 3 and 2, is disgusting.