Effectively, yes. But in this case science didn't have it wrong. It just didn't have enough information in the past to realize that there was a whole collection of specimens that were different from pebbles and should be subclassified as mega-pebbles.
Remember "pebble" is just an unbrella term (like planet) used to classify a whole list of different types of rocks of a certain size, shape or composition, etc. If it turns out that some of those rocks have different properties than maybe it makes sense to classify them with a new umbrella term, in this case "mega-pebble".
Some people seem to think that reclassification of an object somehow points out flaws in the scientific method. The two are actually completly unrelated.
No doubt. With all the anti-science rhetoric lately, I just wish they left the word planet alone and made a new subcategory rather than changing such a common word though. Call it a minor non-atmospheric iceball or something similar to how gas giant is a subclassification of planet.
I probably will. I had not heard of this. Why is Pluto no longer a planet? (Sorry if this is a dumb question, but I just heard about this like yesterday on a myspace bulletin.
No doubt. With all the anti-science rhetoric lately, I just wish they left the word planet alone and made a new subcategory rather than changing such a common word though. Call it a minor non-atmospheric iceball or something similar to how gas giant is a subclassification of planet.
That would make sense, but the problem is that it turns out there are probably hundreds or even thousands of Pluto-like objects in the solar system. If we classify them as a new kind of planet (to go along with Terrestrial and Jovian) we could end up with a solar system with hundreds or thousands of planets in it, most of which are entirely differnent from the 8 major ones.
"Science has proof without certainty... Religion has certainty without proof"
-Ashley Montagu
I agree the practice of both is different, but I think the faith behind them are not so dissimilar.
But don't you think that because of the stringent practices and experimentation associated with science give it more legitamacy than religion which is not and cannot be tested? To me it is the ability to practice science which makes it real to me whereas we are unable to test religion (nor are we supposed to). If I want to discuss or teach a scientific principle, I can likely refer to hundreds of scientists who have studied it, research papers that are peer reviewed, I may be able to replicate the study or modify it and retest it to see for myself, but for religion, you cannot do any of this. This makes it much easier for me to put more trust into science than religion which only has one source of evidence.
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Pluto is a celestial body in the solar system classified as a dwarf planet, and is the prototype of a yet-to-be-named family of trans-Neptunian objects. Pluto had been considered the ninth planet of the solar system from its discovery in 1930 until August 24, 2006 when the International Astronomical Union (IAU) convened to redefine the term "planet". Due to recent discoveries of other trans-Neptunian objects, most notably 2003 UB313 ("Xena"), which is larger than Pluto, the IAU's redefinition of "planet" resulted in Pluto being reclassified as a dwarf planet.
Currently there are 3 dwarf planets in our solar system:
Ceres: which follows an orbit between Mars and Jupiter... it's considered to be an asteroid but has planetary characteristics. it is slightly smaller than pluto.
Pluto: ummm yah we know this one.
2003 UB313 (Codename Xena): A little larger than pluto... it's rumored to be coated in Methane... lol... a very farty dwarf planet. it actually has a moon that was nicknamed Gabrielle after Xena's sidekick from the TV series. *sigh*
Imagine if i gave you 8 riecis pieces (RP) and one M&M (M). You have never seen these kind of candies befiore. You would look, realize that one is slightly different. Further analysis would show that M had a different amount of suger in the shell, was shaped slightly differntly, had chocolate in it and had an "M" stamped on it. But since you have no others of its kind to compare it to, you might just conclude that it is an oddball RP.
Now if I later added a few more M's, maybe dozens or hundreds, you would conclude that "hey this is something entirely different". A new class of candy all together. It no longer makes sense to classify both types of candy as one type, so you would have to rename a new class of candy.
This is what happened with Pluto.
"Science has proof without certainty... Religion has certainty without proof"
-Ashley Montagu
pluto will always be a planet to me, it was thoroughly drilled into our heads for many, many, many years in science class as young tykes....just like health class and the tomato being a vegetable, it will forever be a veg and not a fruit.
I don't know why, but I'm really amused by this. I grow up, study the solar system....then one day they say..."wait...actually, Pluto isn't a planet."
How does that go? And now I guess they found some other possible planets?
How do you go from deciding that some big mass of rock is a planet, and believing in this for years, then one day saying...you know, it really isn't???? I think once you decide to declare something as a planet, you have to be REALLY sure.
Yeah, I have to admit that when I first heard the news earlier this week, I was a little sad. My first reaction was that something else from my youth had died :(---not to get all morbid and all but its kinda true. I also heard a couple weeks ago that they are now teaching in schools that Christopher Columbus didn't discover America---so who are they saying did? Its cool in a way because with all the advanced technology and intelligence in today's society, we are now finding out the truth behind these ancient secrets and myths.
Pluto will be missed. Cheers to the little "planet" that never was!
Columbus didn't discover America. there were people living here before that. We'll never know who, but it was settled thousands of years before hand. Secondly, it was the vikings who were the first europeans to have discovered America. They just didn't stick around and colonize like Columbus did.
Columbus didn't discover America. there were people living here before that. We'll never know who, but it was settled thousands of years before hand. Secondly, it was the vikings who were the first europeans to have discovered America. They just didn't stick around and colonize like Columbus did.
You've got to be kidding. Next thing you're gonna tell me is that the world is round! --who knew
no, but really---I thought they found out that it was someone else instead of Columbus who colonized--yes? no? maybe so?--- I dunno.--guess i better go. it seems as though I lack the know -- could be a rumour. I don't have any strong sources to back it up-- just asking y'all.
You've got to be kidding. Next thing you're gonna tell me is that the world is round! --who knew
no, but really---I thought they found out that it was someone else instead of Columbus who colonized--yes? no? maybe so?--- I dunno.--guess i better go -- could be a rumour. I don't have any strong sources to back it up-- just asking y'all.
oh, no I hadn't heard that one. Although while travelling in Sevilla, Spain, I stumbled across the church that held Columbus' body. I took some pictures of his memorial and his casket only later to find out that it was probably his brother that was in there and not him. Doh.
Dropping Pluto from the list of planets is wrong on so many levels.
Here's just one:
Old way to remember planets - "My Very Educated Mother Just Showed Us Nine Planets"
New way to remember planets - "My Very Exotic Mother Just Showed Us Nipples"
That's just wrong.
Its funny. I was reading a picture book to my son last night and it had the solar system in it!! I had never read that book to him before so had no idea it had the planets in it---it has all different kinds of topics. It had all nine planets laid out around the sun and I pointed to Pluto and sadly told him the truth. Then I thought about getting a black marker to X it out, so that he won't be confused one day when he learns how to read and stumbles across the expired solar system. *tear*
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No doubt. With all the anti-science rhetoric lately, I just wish they left the word planet alone and made a new subcategory rather than changing such a common word though. Call it a minor non-atmospheric iceball or something
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That would make sense, but the problem is that it turns out there are probably hundreds or even thousands of Pluto-like objects in the solar system. If we classify them as a new kind of planet (to go along with Terrestrial and Jovian) we could end up with a solar system with hundreds or thousands of planets in it, most of which are entirely differnent from the 8 major ones.
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Currently there are 3 dwarf planets in our solar system:
Ceres: which follows an orbit between Mars and Jupiter... it's considered to be an asteroid but has planetary characteristics. it is slightly smaller than pluto.
Pluto: ummm yah we know this one.
2003 UB313 (Codename Xena): A little larger than pluto... it's rumored to be coated in Methane... lol... a very farty dwarf planet. it actually has a moon that was nicknamed Gabrielle after Xena's sidekick from the TV series. *sigh*
Thats all for today class.
I'll ride the wave where it takes me...
Imagine if i gave you 8 riecis pieces (RP) and one M&M (M). You have never seen these kind of candies befiore. You would look, realize that one is slightly different. Further analysis would show that M had a different amount of suger in the shell, was shaped slightly differntly, had chocolate in it and had an "M" stamped on it. But since you have no others of its kind to compare it to, you might just conclude that it is an oddball RP.
Now if I later added a few more M's, maybe dozens or hundreds, you would conclude that "hey this is something entirely different". A new class of candy all together. It no longer makes sense to classify both types of candy as one type, so you would have to rename a new class of candy.
This is what happened with Pluto.
-Ashley Montagu
that made me laugh out loud!
pluto will always be a planet to me, it was thoroughly drilled into our heads for many, many, many years in science class as young tykes....just like health class and the tomato being a vegetable, it will forever be a veg and not a fruit.
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Yeah, I have to admit that when I first heard the news earlier this week, I was a little sad. My first reaction was that something else from my youth had died :(---not to get all morbid and all but its kinda true. I also heard a couple weeks ago that they are now teaching in schools that Christopher Columbus didn't discover America---so who are they saying did? Its cool in a way because with all the advanced technology and intelligence in today's society, we are now finding out the truth behind these ancient secrets and myths.
Pluto will be missed.
You've got to be kidding. Next thing you're gonna tell me is that the world is round!
no, but really---I thought they found out that it was someone else instead of Columbus who colonized--yes? no? maybe so?--- I dunno.--guess i better go. it seems as though I lack the know
Why's it funny? Because that statement is wrong on so many levels?
Here's just one:
Old way to remember planets - "My Very Educated Mother Just Showed Us Nine Planets"
New way to remember planets - "My Very Exotic Mother Just Showed Us Nipples"
That's just wrong.
I'll ride the wave where it takes me...
My Very Educated Mother Just Served Us Nachos.
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Its funny. I was reading a picture book to my son last night and it had the solar system in it!! I had never read that book to him before so had no idea it had the planets in it---it has all different kinds of topics. It had all nine planets laid out around the sun and I pointed to Pluto and sadly told him the truth. Then I thought about getting a black marker to X it out, so that he won't be confused one day when he learns how to read and stumbles across the expired solar system. *tear*
is nothing sacred, what's next?
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