That is a great point. My guess is you're, correct me if I'm wrong, refering to Bush being a Christian, yet leading a war that is been very destructive, in almost every sense. I struggle with that notion myself. As a Christian who supports the war, is that really what a Christian would do? It's tough. I really do wonder what would Jesus do, when it comes to this war.
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Here's my guess...
Turn the other cheek... love thy enemy.
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That is a great point. My guess is you're, correct me if I'm wrong, refering to Bush being a Christian, yet leading a war that is been very destructive, in almost every sense. I struggle with that notion myself. As a Christian who supports the war, is that really what a Christian would do? It's tough. I really do wonder what would Jesus do, when it comes to this war.
No.
My point is, that its soo easy to SAY that youre a Christian....or a Muslim.
Its tht level of confidence tht people have in him for JUST stating that, is mind-boggling. I think its lazy.....
The latter of what you said is an important thing to address.
Jesus is the peaceful one....its the disciples that have to fight for the bigger cause? ( I am not saying that to be snarky...truly questioning).
Maybe hes saving us against a bigger destruction. Thats fine (logic)......but how can you let the loose ends, untied hypocrisy in the current administration slide by?
I have friends who are very dear to me, that are Christian. It would be nice to see Bush act like them once in a while. I dont know if its because he is a "leader" and cant show any weakness.....but surely he has time show a "bit" kindness or true Christ-like following through his actions. This would not be limted to only talking about the war-on-Iraq.....
I dunno. Maybe that is the attraction. People are attracted to him because he isnt "lovey-dovey." Maybe this portrays more loyalty to his following.
At any rate, i dont think sincerely "questioning" things is a disgrace to your belief, family, or nation.
Jesus would have died to save the Iraqi people. Something George Dubya would never do.
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I'm also guessing...
If Jesus came back today... He would be:
Placed on the Airlines No-Fly List... OR
Be sitting in a cell in Guantanamo Bay, Cuba.
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Hail, Hail!!!
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I'm also guessing...
If Jesus came back today... He would be:
Placed on the Airlines No-Fly List... OR
Be sitting in a cell in Guantanamo Bay, Cuba.
no doubt about it. if jesus were here today he would be treated exactly how he was treated back then. and by the same group of people. trade a crown of thorns for electrodes on his balls, and torture him to death. a middle eastern man taking power away from the church and the government....please!
no doubt about it. if jesus were here today he would be treated exactly how he was treated back then. and by the same group of people. trade a crown of thorns for electrodes on his balls, and torture him to death. a middle eastern man taking power away from the church and the government....please!
Hmm, given the choice, I think I'd actually take electrodes on my balls. Sounds less painful.
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no doubt about it. if jesus were here today he would be treated exactly how he was treated back then. and by the same group of people. trade a crown of thorns for electrodes on his balls, and torture him to death. a middle eastern man taking power away from the church and the government....please!
Who would want him dead more, the clerics and mullahs or western governments?
Back to the original thread...
Reasons to Still support President Bush...
21. You believe that banning steroids in baseball and gay marriages are the most effective means to win the global 'War On Terror'.
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Hail, Hail!!!
Jesus would have died to save the Iraqi people. Something George Dubya would never do.
Which is why Jesus is Jesus, son of God, and President Bush is human. I venture to guess that no other politician, regardless of party affiliation, would be the same.
Which is why Jesus is Jesus, son of God, and President Bush is human.
Oh yes!!! hes only HUMAN . This means he can get away with anything.
The stresses of leadership :rolleyes:.
Not like those other silly followers, who actually TRY to follow Christ. They dont need the faith-label to excuse their actions or lack-of.....Leaders ofcourse are immune to any wrong-doing- or sorry, the "questioning" of it. Because, "Hey! its a TOUGH-ASS Job." Bless them for that very fact.....their "position."
And again, Jesus """DIED""" for everyone.
Already "happened" no?
Not all that suprising, he is a Christian. Most of us do believe in revelations.
Good for you. that's your right last time I checked. It's even your right to express it publicly (however annoying it may be to listen to).
Bush should be a President to all. not just Christians.
Why does he seem to wish to reverse the separation of church and state that the founding fathers (most of them extremely religious men) struggled and sacrificed to install?
I Believe to be a true Christian you actually have to practice the wisdom and benevolence of Jesus as opposed to paying it lip service.
#23 You are completely mezmorized by his charismatic and eloquent speaches.
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Why does he seem to wish to reverse the separation of church and state that the founding fathers (most of them extremely religious men) struggled and sacrificed to install?
Did they really try?
The dollar bill says "In God We Trust"
One of our national songs is "God Bless America"
The Pledge of Allegence says "One nation, under God, indivisible with liberty and justice for all."
......and now we've seen the reason why Sadaam HAD to be a brutal dictator. It's the only way to unify a country that has 3 disticntly different religious groups who all want to be in power. Democracy will never work there.
We don't see that at all.. What we see are people just like you and me.. who are poor and unable to take control of their own country - first because of an oppressive dictator, and now because of an oppressive conqueror.
there is no justification for Saddam - any more than there is for the United States...
These people have had a tough time for a long time - too bad the United States is not sincere in its claim to want to help them... especially after so brutally executing them in large numbers because of their ignorant aspiring dictator...
Oh yes!!! hes only HUMAN . This means he can get away with anything.
The stresses of leadership :rolleyes:.
Not like those other silly followers, who actually TRY to follow Christ. They dont need the faith-label to excuse their actions or lack-of.....Leaders ofcourse are immune to any wrong-doing- or sorry, the "questioning" of it. Because, "Hey! its a TOUGH-ASS Job." Bless them for that very fact.....their "position."
And again, Jesus """DIED""" for everyone.
Already "happened" no?
Uhm, ok. I just pointed out the differentiation not to make excuses for President Bush, but to point out the fallacy behind the comparision. Would you compare a Beemer to a Saturn?
The dollar bill says "In God We Trust"
One of our national songs is "God Bless America"
The Pledge of Allegence says "One nation, under God, indivisible with liberty and justice for all."
The National Anthem is 'The Star-Spangled Banner'... don't you ever got to a ball game?
And the 'Under God' was added to the Pledge of Allegience in the 1950s, at the urging of the Knghts of Columbus to combat the Communist take-over.
Allen Fieldhouse, home of the 2008 NCAA men's Basketball Champions! Go Jayhawks!
Hail, Hail!!!
Why does he seem to wish to reverse the separation of church and state that the founding fathers (most of them extremely religious men) struggled and sacrificed to install?
First of all, this wall of separation? Not a Constitutional provision.
Secondly, what laws or bills has he introduced that lead you to think in this direction (the President's inability under the Constitution to make laws notwithstanding)?
He said "song," not "anthem." And last time I went to an MLB game, they were STILL singing "God Bless America," too.
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"God Bless America" at the 7th Inning Stretch... post September 11, 2001... right? God gets second billing to 'Peanuts and Cracker Jacks'... there's a religious sentiment for you.
Also.. the original National anthem was 'Columbia, Gem Of The Ocean', prior to 1930something.
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And check the U.S. Treasury yourself: http://www.treas.gov/education/fact-sheets/currency/in-god-we-trust.html
The Motto did not appear on paper currency until 1957.
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Didn't you guys have to take a history class in high school? I remember this shit from Mrs. Larkins' 11th Grade Government class. And that was 34 year ago.
Allen Fieldhouse, home of the 2008 NCAA men's Basketball Champions! Go Jayhawks!
Hail, Hail!!!
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Not really. I just think that some Christian's interpretation of 'Turn the other cheek' is 'Mount up the armoured calvary and let's go kill someone'. Everyone interprets Jesus differently.
Allen Fieldhouse, home of the 2008 NCAA men's Basketball Champions! Go Jayhawks!
Hail, Hail!!!
Uhm, ok. I just pointed out the differentiation not to make excuses for President Bush, but to point out the fallacy behind the comparision. Would you compare a Beemer to a Saturn?
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Not really. I just think that some Christian's interpretation of 'Turn the other cheek' is 'Mount up the armoured calvary and let's go kill someone'. Everyone interprets Jesus differently.
yes....but then you go to an eye for an eye.
edit: oops isnt that a Hammurabi's (sp?) code which predates the bible? my bad.
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edit: Jesus already DID that.
Here's my guess...
Turn the other cheek... love thy enemy.
Hail, Hail!!!
My point is, that its soo easy to SAY that youre a Christian....or a Muslim.
Its tht level of confidence tht people have in him for JUST stating that, is mind-boggling. I think its lazy.....
The latter of what you said is an important thing to address.
Jesus is the peaceful one....its the disciples that have to fight for the bigger cause? ( I am not saying that to be snarky...truly questioning).
Maybe hes saving us against a bigger destruction. Thats fine (logic)......but how can you let the loose ends, untied hypocrisy in the current administration slide by?
I have friends who are very dear to me, that are Christian. It would be nice to see Bush act like them once in a while. I dont know if its because he is a "leader" and cant show any weakness.....but surely he has time show a "bit" kindness or true Christ-like following through his actions. This would not be limted to only talking about the war-on-Iraq.....
I dunno. Maybe that is the attraction. People are attracted to him because he isnt "lovey-dovey." Maybe this portrays more loyalty to his following.
At any rate, i dont think sincerely "questioning" things is a disgrace to your belief, family, or nation.
That is so true. I really believe he would. And I'm not even a Christian.
Exactly.
I'm also guessing...
If Jesus came back today... He would be:
Placed on the Airlines No-Fly List... OR
Be sitting in a cell in Guantanamo Bay, Cuba.
Hail, Hail!!!
no doubt about it. if jesus were here today he would be treated exactly how he was treated back then. and by the same group of people. trade a crown of thorns for electrodes on his balls, and torture him to death. a middle eastern man taking power away from the church and the government....please!
Hmm, given the choice, I think I'd actually take electrodes on my balls. Sounds less painful.
Who would want him dead more, the clerics and mullahs or western governments?
What is... both of them, equally?
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I'll take, "What Would Jesus Do" for 400, Alex...
Hail, Hail!!!
Reasons to Still support President Bush...
21. You believe that banning steroids in baseball and gay marriages are the most effective means to win the global 'War On Terror'.
Hail, Hail!!!
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Oh yes!!! hes only HUMAN . This means he can get away with anything.
The stresses of leadership :rolleyes:.
Not like those other silly followers, who actually TRY to follow Christ. They dont need the faith-label to excuse their actions or lack-of.....Leaders ofcourse are immune to any wrong-doing- or sorry, the "questioning" of it. Because, "Hey! its a TOUGH-ASS Job." Bless them for that very fact.....their "position."
And again, Jesus """DIED""" for everyone.
Already "happened" no?
Good for you. that's your right last time I checked. It's even your right to express it publicly (however annoying it may be to listen to).
Bush should be a President to all. not just Christians.
Why does he seem to wish to reverse the separation of church and state that the founding fathers (most of them extremely religious men) struggled and sacrificed to install?
I Believe to be a true Christian you actually have to practice the wisdom and benevolence of Jesus as opposed to paying it lip service.
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Did they really try?
The dollar bill says "In God We Trust"
One of our national songs is "God Bless America"
The Pledge of Allegence says "One nation, under God, indivisible with liberty and justice for all."
7-6-2006 Las Vegas. 7-20-2006 Portland. 7-22-2006 Gorge. 9-21-2009 Seattle. 9-22-2009 Seattle. 9-26-2009 Ridgefield. 9-25-2011 Vancouver.
11-29-2013 Portland. 10-16-2014 Detroit. 8-8-2018 Seattle. 8-10-2018 Seattle. 8-13-2018 Missoula. 5-10-2024 Portland. 5-30-2024 Seattle.
We don't see that at all.. What we see are people just like you and me.. who are poor and unable to take control of their own country - first because of an oppressive dictator, and now because of an oppressive conqueror.
there is no justification for Saddam - any more than there is for the United States...
These people have had a tough time for a long time - too bad the United States is not sincere in its claim to want to help them... especially after so brutally executing them in large numbers because of their ignorant aspiring dictator...
I will check on the money and get back to you...
Got it... 13November1861, because of religious sentiment during the Civil War.
(ref. http://www.treas.gov/education/fact-sheets/currency/in-god-we-trust.html )
The National Anthem is 'The Star-Spangled Banner'... don't you ever got to a ball game?
And the 'Under God' was added to the Pledge of Allegience in the 1950s, at the urging of the Knghts of Columbus to combat the Communist take-over.
Hail, Hail!!!
First of all, this wall of separation? Not a Constitutional provision.
Secondly, what laws or bills has he introduced that lead you to think in this direction (the President's inability under the Constitution to make laws notwithstanding)?
He said "song," not "anthem." And last time I went to an MLB game, they were STILL singing "God Bless America," too.
"God Bless America" at the 7th Inning Stretch... post September 11, 2001... right? God gets second billing to 'Peanuts and Cracker Jacks'... there's a religious sentiment for you.
Also.. the original National anthem was 'Columbia, Gem Of The Ocean', prior to 1930something.
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And check the U.S. Treasury yourself:
http://www.treas.gov/education/fact-sheets/currency/in-god-we-trust.html
The Motto did not appear on paper currency until 1957.
...
Didn't you guys have to take a history class in high school? I remember this shit from Mrs. Larkins' 11th Grade Government class. And that was 34 year ago.
Hail, Hail!!!
Not really. I just think that some Christian's interpretation of 'Turn the other cheek' is 'Mount up the armoured calvary and let's go kill someone'. Everyone interprets Jesus differently.
Hail, Hail!!!
yes i would. :cool:
edit: oops isnt that a Hammurabi's (sp?) code which predates the bible? my bad.
achoooo! ( man i have the worst cold).
Nothing better than posting HERE. especially when youre THAT sick and bored.
this place does come in handy.