Is America still too racist to elect a Black President?

dg1979us

qtegirl wrote:

I think that the Tennessee senate race between Ford (black) and the other guy (white, who actually won) provides us a glimpse of what would happen nationally if Barack Obama runs for president.

And it ain't pretty.

That was a very close race, and even though I voted for Harold Ford, he wasnt an overly impressive candidate. So unless your advocating that we should vote for black candidates simply because they are black, then your post is ludicrous.

jeffbr

pushmepullme wrote:

If America had 2 guys standing for election, one white, one black, is America still too racist to vote in the black guy? Particularly in the southern states I think people would vote for the white guy, because he's white.

I bet we'll have a black president before you have a black PM or king.

mookie9999

RavennaSeattle1911 wrote:

if american had indians here first then why shouldnt an indian be a president?why are you so worried about that?who cares

Russell Means in '08!!! Not sure what else you were talking about.

qtegirl

dg1979us wrote:

That was a very close race, and even though I voted for Harold Ford, he wasnt an overly impressive candidate. So unless your advocating that we should vote for black candidates simply because they are black, then your post is ludicrous.

I'm not advocating anything. All I was pointing out was the fact of how ugly that race turned out... with all the negative adds and the racist innuendos. What I'm saying is, look how it went in just one state, prepare yourself for how it would be if it's a national race.

How did you read anything more than that?

dg1979us

qtegirl wrote:

I'm not advocating anything. All I was pointing out was the fact of how ugly that race turned out... with all the negative adds and the racist innuendos. What I'm saying is, look how it went in just one state, prepare yourself for how it would be if it's a national race.

How did you read anything more than that?

I thought you were talking about the results, my apologies. And yes it was an ugly campaign, but Ill be honest, the "racist" ad that made national news I didnt find racist at all. I thought it was more playing to the Christian crowd who wouldnt appreciate a senator who goes to playboy parties, but I didnt see the racism in it a bit. And aside from that, there were plenty of ugly campaigns between 2 white candidates. I dont think the Tenn. campaigns were so negative because of race, I think they were negative because it was an empty seat and a competitive race that could have gone either way.

qtegirl

dg1979us wrote:

I thought you were talking about the results, my apologies. And yes it was an ugly campaign, but Ill be honest, the "racist" ad that made national news I didnt find racist at all. I thought it was more playing to the Christian crowd who wouldnt appreciate a senator who goes to playboy parties, but I didnt see the racism in it a bit. And aside from that, there were plenty of ugly campaigns between 2 white candidates. I dont think the Tenn. campaigns were so negative because of race, I think they were negative because it was an empty seat and a competitive race that could have gone either way.

I can agree with that. It wasn't any better or worse than the Swift Boaters for Truth... or whatever they were called.

It's just that ideally, we want to look at it as one guy against another guy. But if one of them is black, then the media, the PR firms, the campaigners, are going to bring up the race issues no matter what.

Same thing if Hillary runs... gender will come up.
I don't think we're past that, as a country. As individuals, yeah... let the best person win.

Casey1

I think it depends on who is running. After the last eight years, I think Americans will be looking at the issues more closely because there seems to be a feeling of not wanting to get fooled again. I think Obama would have a tough time getting past the primaries simply because other candidates will play up on the fact the he hasn't even served one full term in the Senate. Someone like Joe Biden, who has lots of politcal experience and an extensive foreign affairs background, will eat Obama alive. Of course, Obama may play up on the fact that he hasn't been in Washington long enough to be corrupted by it. It can go either way. It's all about the spin.

Then again, I almost feel like I'm looking at this from an outside point of view because I haven't lived in the States for three years now, so take this for what you think it's worth.

YeahThatRocks.com

Yes, and a woman will not be elected either, especially Hillary Clinton.

sponger

I think I'm the only person on earth who didn't see anything wrong with Howard Dean's outburst. The man wanted to express himself. I don't see what the big deal was.

ThumbingMyWay32

harmless_little_f*** wrote:

Quick! Edit tool! You've no time to lose!

Btw, to the original poster, there's no point in speculating about these things if a black guy has never ran; when he does, and the deep South are shown to be remarkably unfavourable towards him, then we should talk about it. Until then, we're just stereotyping people and 'guessing' what they might do according to our prejudices.

I've voted for Bush twice and if a black candidate suits my fancy I'd vote for him. Do liberals seriously ponder this particular question? I'm also from the South...

Purple Hawk

pushmepullme wrote:

If America had 2 guys standing for election, one white, one black, is America still too racist to vote in the black guy? Particularly in the southern states I think people would vote for the white guy, because he's white.

No offense, but this is the most ignorant question one can possibly ask. Whats pathetic is...is that so many people believe it.

If hillary clinton ran against Clarance Thomas, who do you think would do better in the south?

If John Kerry ran against Condi, who do you think would win the south.

Seriously, one of the worst questions I've ever heard posed.

LikeAnOcean

sponger wrote:

I think I'm the only person on earth who didn't see anything wrong with Howard Dean's outburst. The man wanted to express himself. I don't see what the big deal was.

It seemed normal to me. I didn't see it as an outburst.. It's almost as if somebody turned it into what it wasn't to put him down.

CorporateWhore

I question whether America is racist enough to elect a black president.

Affirmative action being as powerful as it is, should a black president get free "affirmative action" votes for being black? Do we not do the same thing in college admissions and job placement?

All kidding aside, Obama's blackness should have nothing to do with the question at hand: is he qualified to run this country?

The answer is a resounding "no." He's a socialist!

sponger

I remember when Jesse Jackson was running. There's no way I would've voted for him, white or black.

Purple Hawk

CorporateWhore wrote:

I question whether America is racist enough to elect a black president.

Affirmative action being as powerful as it is, should a black president get free "affirmative action" votes for being black? Do we not do the same thing in college admissions and job placement?

All kidding aside, Obama's blackness should have nothing to do with the question at hand: is he qualified to run this country?

The answer is a resounding "no." He's a socialist!

Careful Ayn, 'round these parts, that is the LONE qualification!

qtegirl

Purple Hawk wrote:

Careful Ayn, 'round these parts, that is the LONE qualification!

Oh Whatever!

There are no socialists in American politics! Do you know what a socialist is??

There aren't any people in the mainstream politics, I mean the people who actually get elected, who is left of center. Oh... the center, where is that? Politics have shifted so far to the right, that even the center is on the right too! Left of center in US politics is an embarassement to real socialists.

Don't throw that word around and say that Barack is a socialist! Neither is Hillary Clinton by the way. They are all pro-business, pro-free-trade (and not the real free-trade, but the one-sided American version of it)

Get real.

yield2me

Pacomc79 wrote:

wow doom and gloom, who the hell do the conservatives have that's electable...Montgomery Burns?

Geez, you guys are supposed to be the idealists....find an electable moderate with good speaking skills a decent campaign manager and you've got it. Bill Clinton got 8 years didn't he? Wasn't he the first black president?

Have a little fun why don't you. That's what America wants after 8 years of turmoil. That and a balanced budget, stable economy, control over their own retirement (ok the working crowd anyway I'm pushing it), and a lot less laws dealing with morality. I mean come on....why can we still not buy alcohol on Sunday in parts of the country?

All I'm saying is that if Obama or Hilary gets put for the Dem nom then they've just handed the presidency over to the republicans...again! This country (as sad as this is to say) will not elect a black president or a woman for president...it sucks I know, but thats the truth.

mookie9999

yield2me wrote:

All I'm saying is that if Obama or Hilary gets put for the Dem nom then they've just handed the presidency over to the republicans...again! This country (as sad as this is to say) will not elect a black president or a woman for president...it sucks I know, but thats the truth.

I beg to differ with Hillary. I believe that if Hillary runs anyone and everyone who loved Bubba in office would love for him to get back in one way or another. I think it's the Clinton loophole that will allow a Clinton in the White House for 16 years! A guy can hope right?

deadnote

david robinson for president !!!!!!!!!!!

mookie9999

deadnote wrote:

david robinson for president !!!!!!!!!!!

Only if Larry Bird is his running mate!