"I want to know why I'm planning a funeral while George Bush is planning a wedding."

SPEEDY MCCREADY

Abuskedti wrote:

Stop hiding behind the grieving parents comments. she lost a daughter.

This issue is about a young lady that made a committment to give her life for her country - and her country took her up on it. Her country took her up on it because of a violent hateful administration and its legion of supporters

tell her mother to quit blaming the death of her daughter on george bush.....

Abuskedti

SPEEDY MCCREADY wrote:

i dont think the young lady made a commitment to give her life for her country....in her own words she joined the military because she wasnt ready to further her education and she wanted to do some traveling before going back to school.....so she joined the military...

from what i have read on this young lady....after joining the military...she realized she fucking hated the military.....and could not wait to get the fuck out of the military....

sounds to me she was someone who made a very irrational decision.....

This is what she said....

"I, _____, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God."

SPEEDY MCCREADY

Abuskedti wrote:

This is what she said....

"I, _____, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God."

yes it is....

and this decision of hers to join the military and protect the U.S.A...

cost the young lady her life.....and that is a shame....

JamMastaE

SPEEDY MCCREADY wrote:

i just dont get....and will never get.....how people can say "why doesnt bush send his daughters to iraq"??????

because it is the daughters choice....and they have made the decision not to join the military....

wars are waged by the rich and fought by the poor.

they should make it a law,if you're a politician who supports war and have a kid who is old enough to enlist then C-YA!!!

then again some of these scum wouldn't mind sacrificing their young.

SPEEDY MCCREADY

JamMastaE wrote:

wars are waged by the rich and fought by the poor.

they should make it a law,if you're a politician who supports war and have a kid who is old enough to enlist then C-YA!!!

then again some of these scum wouldn't mind sacrificing their young.

this entire statement is nonsense.....

and you know it....

Abuskedti

SPEEDY MCCREADY wrote:

this entire statement is nonsense.....

and you know it....

not entirely

We have a volunteer military.... and I too believe that is the best way to maintain a military force prepared to deter aggressors and defend our country.

However during war - and at the time the country chooses to start a war - as is the case with Iraq.. then the entire coutnry should be at war. There should be a draft and every citizen should be obliged to participate in one fashon or other

the decision to go to war should rest with the entire country as should the execution of that war.

The wealthy are in power and make these monsterous committments that only the young poor are being asked to honor.

That is in large part what makes the decision for the leaders and the billions of voters easy - we can sacrifice the honorable or the desperate to maintain our happy way of life and war is not dangerous - I can just say I don't want to be part of that.

know1

Abuskedti wrote:

Somehow you figure that this young lady offered her very life at the request of her country means her death resulted in her own flawed decision.

Though common - that is absolute ignorant self serving bull shit...

bull shit you repeatedly spew

mixed in with your insistance that your fucking country must continue to occupy Iraq.

sickening how long this kind of crap continues - as voting Americans can think this way on the way to the video store

I didn't want the US to invade. But since they have, the solution that I'd most support is the one that will have the least loss of life by any side. If that's staying longer, then that's the one I'm behind.

JamMastaE

SPEEDY MCCREADY wrote:

this entire statement is nonsense.....

and you know it....

as much nonsense as tens of thousands of dead u.s. soldiers and a million Iraqi people?dead because of lies.

as absurd as it sounds i think it would better assure that they would think twice before shipping off the troops.

Abuskedti

know1 wrote:

I didn't want the US to invade. But since they have, the solution that I'd most support is the one that will have the least loss of life by any side. If that's staying longer, then that's the one I'm behind.

yes you selfish hateful man... you mock the honorable wonderful childre that die to support the very thing you vote for them to do. sickening

know1

Abuskedti wrote:

yes you selfish hateful man... you mock the honorable wonderful childre that die to support the very thing you vote for them to do. sickening

I don't vote. I also don't mock the military. I'm not sure where you got that from.

SPEEDY MCCREADY

why am i planning a funeral?????

because of your failure as a parent to keep your child out of harms way....

because of your failure as a parent to tell your daughter she was making an irrational decision.....

Abuskedti

SPEEDY MCCREADY wrote:

why am i planning a funeral?????

because of your failure as a parent to keep your child out of harms way....

because of your failure as a parent to tell your daughter she was making an irrational decision.....

this entire statement is nonsense.....

and you know it....


Would you say the same thing about a parent of a young volunteer firefighter that repeatedly went into a burning out house carrying out children and didn't make it out on his last run?

SPEEDY MCCREADY

Abuskedti wrote:

this entire statement is nonsense.....

and you know it....


Would you say the same thing about a parent of a young volunteer firefighter that repeatedly went into a burning out house carrying out children and didn't make it out on his last run?

depends on if the parent is going to blame the fire department for sending her son in to the burning buildings.....

it wasnt the fire departments fault that the firefighter CHOSE to run in to the burning buildings.....

just like it wasnt george bushs fault that the young lady CHOSE to join the military....

but i think her mother has a problem facing the facts.....

Ahnimus

It seems to me that the census here is this; if you 'choose' to join the military and you die, it's your parents fault for allowing you to go. Or it's your fault for choosing to go.

But this is in stark contrast to incidence where military officers die and are hailed as heros fighting out of neccesity for the freedom of their country.

How about that firefighter analogue. If no firefighters volunteered or were paid to do the job, would the government allow the fires to burn? Or would the government draft firefighters?

In the case of the military, if there were no volunteer military people, would the government draft them? The answer, is an undeniable YES.

So, perhaps the choice to join the military is to the bennefit of all their countries citizens, as no draft is neccesary as long as there are volunteers.

In this sense, is it right to say "They chose to go, knowing that they would die." for if they had not chosen to go, then you might be forced to go against your will. I abbohr military action and would not volunteer myself, if I was forced, I would likely die because I don't have the strength to kill another human being. I appreciate the volunteer soldiers, and I detest the governments willingness to send them off to die in unwinable wars.

Abuskedti

SPEEDY MCCREADY wrote:

depends on if the parent is going to blame the fire department for sending her son in to the burning buildings.....

it wasnt the fire departments fault that the firefighter CHOSE to run in to the burning buildings.....

just like it wasnt george bushs fault that the young lady CHOSE to join the military....

but i think her mother has a problem facing the facts.....

You flawed thinking is well demonstrated here

If your two CHOICES were to be comparable

then they would have either been the firefighter CHOSE to become a firefighter and the soldier CHOSE to join the military

OR the firefighter CHOSE to go into the burning building to save a child and the soldier CHOSE to offer cover fire to save her fellow soldiers

SPEEDY MCCREADY

Abuskedti wrote:

You flawed thinking is well demonstrated here

If your two CHOICES were to be comparable

then they would have either been the firefighter CHOSE to become a firefighter and the soldier CHOSE to join the military

OR the firefighter CHOSE to go into the burning building to save a child and the soldier CHOSE to offer cover fire to save her fellow soldiers

im gonna disagree here.....

just like i disagree with the mother of the dead soldier.....

who made a fucking irrational senseless decision to join the military at a time of war......because she wanted to travel.....

QuarterToTen

Abuskedti wrote:

this entire statement is nonsense.....

and you know it....


Would you say the same thing about a parent of a young volunteer firefighter that repeatedly went into a burning out house carrying out children and didn't make it out on his last run?

when that young firefighter enters that burning house, he is fully aware that death may be eminent. when that young soldier entered into combat she was aware of the same thing. the idea that her mother is blaming someone else for this tragedy is just ridiculous.

though you don't sign on to get killed, you have to realize up front that it is part of the job.

my heart goes out to anyone who has lost a child in this awful war.

fanch75

SPEEDY MCCREADY wrote:

i think it is just fucking bullshit that her mother can say something like this ...

i really do....

why are you planning a funeral???

because your daughter decided not to go to art school....where she had already been accepted....

and instead made the choice to join the military.....knowing damned well there was a good chance she would be sent to iraq....

And bytchez STILL ain't shyt!!!!!!!!!!

SPEEDY MCCREADY

fanch75 wrote:

And bytchez STILL ain't shyt!!!!!!!!!!

hey....

whats up my friend?????

Open

SPEEDY MCCREADY wrote:

depends on if the parent is going to blame the fire department for sending her son in to the burning buildings.....

it wasnt the fire departments fault that the firefighter CHOSE to run in to the burning buildings.....

just like it wasnt george bushs fault that the young lady CHOSE to join the military....

but i think her mother has a problem facing the facts.....

When someone joins the military, they do so with an understanding (before this war) that when they go into combat it will be for legit reasons. Not bullshit and lies. There is a certain amount of faith they put in their leadership. When that leadership betrays them and they die, their parents have EVERY RIGHT to hold the leadership responsible....