"I want to know why I'm planning a funeral while George Bush is planning a wedding."

KidCarnivore

I still don't understand why soldiers are lionized by both the left and the right. Was there a draft? I was aware of the dangers of joining the military, so I chose another profession.

onelongsong

know1 wrote:

Answer - because your daughter joined the military and was killed in combat by someone who wanted her to die.

and when a police officer or fireman is killed; is that the presidents fault too? people should be held accountable for their own actions too. my son enlisted and he knew we were at war and he knew he was going to iraq. he knew people would shoot at him just as someone aspiring to be a police officer knows he will be shot at and put in dangerous situations.

onelongsong

even flow? wrote:

Maybe you could list all the wars the US has been involved in since WWII where they "needed" to be there? You know, where the nation had their back against the wall and they really needed to be in a "just" war.

imo; it's based on colour. it's ok to help white people regain their freedom but not people of colour. every war where we were helping white people was largely accepted and supported. every war where the people we were trying to help were of colour; was opposed.

Its Evolution Baby

I think that the grieving mother should have the right to speak out because losing a kid has to be hard. Especially if you don't agree with the war in Iraq.

I do think she is off base because as was stated earlier the girl was in combat and these things happen. I don't agree with the war AT ALL but it is a war and unfortunately people die.

Plus there is no way that Bush has anything to do with the planning of the wedding. I think they can afford some wedding planners.

RainDog

onelongsong wrote:

imo; it's based on colour. it's ok to help white people regain their freedom but not people of colour. every war where we were helping white people was largely accepted and supported. every war where the people we were trying to help were of colour; was opposed.

Yeah, that's the reason. Really. It has nothing to do with nations attacking us.

Quick history lesson here. While we financially supported the allied forces at the beginning of WWII, the population at large was against us getting involved militarily. Then we were attacked by Japan. So what do we do? We declare war on Japan. Logical, isn't it. Then, before we could spit, Germany turns around and declares war on us. Do you know what that means? That's right. We went to war with Germany.

Now, lets look at modern times, shall we. Lets see.... somthing happened, something happened. Oh, that's right. We were attacked by a group of individuals on September 11th, 2001. What did we do? Well, we decerned where this group of individuals was based and attacked back - and took out the government that was supporting them; and in turn, attempted to bring "freedom" to the people living under that government. And it was near fully supported by the U.S. population - despite the fucking color of the people involved. When did it go wrong? When we turned our war machine away from those who attacked us and pointed it at another, unrelated, nation. Sure, at first it sounded like a great idea - you know, 'cause they were involved somehow. Only they weren't. And, when people started to realize that, they started to turn against the operation.

But I know this doesn't mean anything to you. You can choose to ignore it; I don't care. You go right back to thinking Kerry was secretly working for the North Vietnamese, that George Bush was right to slaughter citizens of threatless nation, being best friends with Ted Nugent, wallowing in your serious political connections, pouring over secret documents the rest of us plebes will never get to see, and, oh I don't know - generally running the world from your mountaintop compound.

Yeah, don't mind me. I just hate freeing people of color. Yeah, that's it.

SPEEDY MCCREADY

i just read an article on this girl.....

her mother said her daughter joined the military in 2003 after she graduated high school because...."she wasnt ready for college and she wanted to travel"....

the usa invaded iraq in march of 2003....right???
im thinking she graduated high school in june of 2003....right???

i just find it strange that someone would join the fucking military knowing their is a pretty good chance she will be sent to iraq......

because she wanted to travel?????

i want to travel too......but im not joining the fucking military to do it...

Vedd Hedd

onelongsong wrote:

imo; it's based on colour. it's ok to help white people regain their freedom but not people of colour. every war where we were helping white people was largely accepted and supported. every war where the people we were trying to help were of colour; was opposed.

Wow, talk about spin.

Ahnimus

know1 wrote:

Answer - because your daughter joined the military and was killed in combat by someone who wanted her to die.

That's an incredibly myopic view, IMO. The one in question was likely seeking ideological ends that had nothing to do with "wanting" her to die. Her death was a means to the ends of which they sought.

Uncle Leo

onelongsong wrote:

imo; it's based on colour. it's ok to help white people regain their freedom but not people of colour. every war where we were helping white people was largely accepted and supported. every war where the people we were trying to help were of colour; was opposed.

On the contrary. It's about political correctness. All the guilt-filled whites said "Yeah go over and kill those Krauts. Plus you'll be helping Jews, who are non-Christains." Now they say (imagine a very wussy voice) "no you can't go over there and kill these people of color."

g under p

onelongsong wrote:

imo; it's based on colour. it's ok to help white people regain their freedom but not people of colour. every war where we were helping white people was largely accepted and supported. every war where the people we were trying to help were of colour; was opposed.

This makes no sense, you must be that same person who said something about stickers on the back of my truck. That statement made no sense either and I addressed you properly.

Peace

Abuskedti

know1 wrote:

Answer - because your daughter joined the military and was killed in combat by someone who wanted her to die.

Somehow you figure that this young lady offered her very life at the request of her country means her death resulted in her own flawed decision.

Though common - that is absolute ignorant self serving bull shit...

bull shit you repeatedly spew

mixed in with your insistance that your fucking country must continue to occupy Iraq.

sickening how long this kind of crap continues - as voting Americans can think this way on the way to the video store

SPEEDY MCCREADY

Abuskedti wrote:

Somehow you figure that this young lady offered her very life at the request of her country means her death resulted in her own flawed decision.

Though common - that is absolute ignorant self serving bull shit...

bull shit you repeatedly spew

mixed in with your insistance that your fucking country must continue to occupy Iraq.

sickening how long this kind of crap continues - as voting Americans can think this way on the way to the video store

what was bullshit was the reason she joined the military according to her mother....

"because she wasnt ready for college and she wanted to travel"

that bullshit decision to join the military because she wanted to travel was no one elses choice but her own....

Deni

RainDogNow wrote:

Now, lets look at modern times, shall we. Lets see.... somthing happened, something happened. Oh, that's right. We were attacked by a group of individuals on September 11th, 2001. What did we do? Well, we decerned where this group of individuals was based and attacked back - and took out the government that was supporting them; and in turn, attempted to bring "freedom" to the people living under that government. And it was near fully supported by the U.S. population - despite the fucking color of the people involved. When did it go wrong? When we turned our war machine away from those who attacked us and pointed it at another, unrelated, nation. Sure, at first it sounded like a great idea - you know, 'cause they were involved somehow. Only they weren't. And, when people started to realize that, they started to turn against the operation.

This is the truth! And this is why I'm angry! We were lied to! And even when the lies were uncovered it didn't stop! The war kept raging! I was never against a war with Afghanistan or Bin Laden. But Iraq was just about oil and a personal vendetta against Saddam Hussein! We know it has nothing to do with September 11th anymore. We've totally ignored Afghanistan for the most part and the Taliban is building itself BACK UP! Meanwhile, people are dying left and right in Iraq! How the hell does that make any sense? And now, we are talking about going to war with Iran too! What the fuck, man? Seriously, its messed up!

QuarterToTen

SPEEDY MCCREADY wrote:

what was bullshit was the reason she joined the military according to her mother....

"because she wasnt ready for college and she wanted to travel"

that bullshit decision to join the military because she wanted to travel was no one elses choice but her own....

the harsh reality of her daughter's decision sounds like it was unexpected
or something. she had to know going in this was a real possibility.

joining the military with all these grandiose ideas of seeing the world and
single-handedly saving the country are just naive.

very sad story, but yes, ultimately it was her choice.

must be devastating to her family as well as the thousands of others
who have lost loved ones.

SPEEDY MCCREADY

QuarterToTen wrote:

the harsh reality of her daughter's decision sounds like it was unexpected
or something. she had to know going in this was a real possibility.

joining the military with all these grandiose ideas of seeing the world and
single-handedly saving the country are just naive.

very sad story, but yes, ultimately it was her choice.

must be devastating to her family as well as the thousands of others
who have lost loved ones.

i think it is just fucking bullshit that her mother can say something like this ...

i really do....

why are you planning a funeral???

because your daughter decided not to go to art school....where she had already been accepted....

and instead made the choice to join the military.....knowing damned well there was a good chance she would be sent to iraq....

QuarterToTen

SPEEDY MCCREADY wrote:

i think it is just fucking bullshit that her mother can say something like this ...

i really do....

why are you planning a funeral???

because your daughter decided not to go to art school....where she had already been accepted....

and instead made the choice to join the military.....knowing damned well there was a good chance she would be sent to iraq....

it all comes down to personal choices and taking responsibility for those choices.

the fact that her daughter actually WAS sent to iraq and unfortunately
killed in the line of duty is just something she wasn't expecting...why i don't know...
and the mother is lashing out as a result.

the mother making a statement like that, knowing full well the impact such a statement would make,
illustrates the sheer ignorance of our society at times.

it amazes me daily how clueless people can be to the facts, the truth.

JamMastaE

SPEEDY MCCREADY wrote:

i think it is just fucking bullshit that her mother can say something like this ...

i really do....

why are you planning a funeral???

because your daughter decided not to go to art school....where she had already been accepted....

and instead made the choice to join the military.....knowing damned well there was a good chance she would be sent to iraq....

if she joined BEFORE the "war" then her mother has a right to ask that question.But if she joined AFTER the "war" started,then you're right,she should have known Iraq was a possibility,which makes death a possibility.

not that that makes their loss any less horrific.

Abuskedti

SPEEDY MCCREADY wrote:

i think it is just fucking bullshit that her mother can say something like this ...

i really do....

why are you planning a funeral???

because your daughter decided not to go to art school....where she had already been accepted....

and instead made the choice to join the military.....knowing damned well there was a good chance she would be sent to iraq....

Stop hiding behind the grieving parents comments. she lost a daughter.

This issue is about a young lady that made a committment to give her life for her country - and her country took her up on it. Her country took her up on it because of a violent hateful administration and its legion of supporters

SPEEDY MCCREADY

JamMastaE wrote:

if she joined BEFORE the "war" then her mother has a right to ask that question.But if she joined AFTER the "war" started,then you're right,she should have known Iraq was a possibility,which makes death a possibility.

not that that makes their loss any less horrific.

she graduated highschool in 2003...

we invaded in march of 2003....

so im thinking we had already been in iraq for a few months before she joined...

and any death of a 22 year old is just wrong......BUT.....

her mother is way out of line in my opinion....

i just dont get....and will never get.....how people can say "why doesnt bush send his daughters to iraq"??????

because it is the daughters choice....and they have made the decision not to join the military....

SPEEDY MCCREADY

Abuskedti wrote:

Stop hiding behind the grieving parents comments. she lost a daughter.

This issue is about a young lady that made a committment to give her life for her country - and her country took her up on it. Her country took her up on it because of a violent hateful administration and its legion of supporters

i dont think the young lady made a commitment to give her life for her country....in her own words she joined the military because she wasnt ready to further her education and she wanted to do some traveling before going back to school.....so she joined the military...

from what i have read on this young lady....after joining the military...she realized she fucking hated the military.....and could not wait to get the fuck out of the military....

sounds to me she was someone who made a very irrational decision.....