im guessing it ws part of a plea deal. from essentially soliciting sex or prostitution or something to a simple misdemeanor that's naught but a fine and an embarrassing black eye.
Prostitution is one thing, but let's hope that soliciting sex never becomes a crime!
Either there's a lot more to what took place in the bathroom, or I'd have to think that enforcement of the disorderly conduct law is getting a little over zealous.
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Evidently there were reports of lewd behavior and men soliciting sex from that particular bathroom. That is why there was an undercover cop there in the first place. Craig demonstrated the reported behavior of someone looking for man lovin so he was detained. It is not like he will have to serve time for this but for someone who voted against every piece of gay rights legislation in his term he deserves the embarassment for being a hypocrite.
He may be a hypocrite, but essentially arresting someone for tapping their foot in a restroom where "soliciting sex" has been reported seems a bit out of line to me.
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...are those who've helped us.
Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
He may be a hypocrite, but essentially arresting someone for tapping their foot in a restroom where "soliciting sex" has been reported seems a bit out of line to me.
And sticking his foot and hand in the neighboring stall?
Looking for sex isn't illegal. Having sex isn't illegal, provided it's in private. Soliciting sex in a public place - likely so you can have sex in public, is apparently a misdemeanor. Actually having sex in public is probably a more serious offense.
Yeah yeah yeah I didn't know all the details. It sounded very vague at first. I don't know about the rest of you guys though, but I do enjoy putting on finger puppets and putting on a show for the guy in the stall next to me. I've lost touch with my gay friends and am just not up to snuff on all the public restroom sex scuttlebutt I suppose. Honestly though, of all places, when someone is on the shitter?! How nasty is that?!
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Well.. all I know is that when I'm in a Public restroom... I basically turn into a deaf, blind mute. Someone tries to speak to me... I pretend I'm deaf... tries to gesture to me... I'm blind... and I don't talk to anyone... except maybe at the sinks as I'm washing up.
Someone slides his foot into the stall I'm in... or does hand gestures under the wall... I'm summoning up all of the gastro pressure I can and blast that turd out of my ass and get the hell out of there. And i think most other guys will, too.
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I especially like his press remarks about 'Not being Gay'. Sorry, bud... but if you're looking to bang man bunghole in a public shitter... face it... you're Gay.
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Well.. all I know is that when I'm in a Public restroom... I basically turn into a deaf, blind mute. Someone tries to speak to me... I pretend I'm deaf... tries to gesture to me... I'm blind... and I don't talk to anyone... except maybe at the sinks as I'm washing up.
Someone slides his foot into the stall I'm in... or does hand gestures under the wall... I'm summoning up all of the gastro pressure I can and blast that turd out of my ass and get the hell out of there. And i think most other guys will, too.
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I especially like his press remarks about 'Not being Gay'. Sorry, bud... but if you're looking to bang man bunghole in a public shitter... face it... you're Gay.
And sticking his foot and hand in the neighboring stall?
Looking for sex isn't illegal. Having sex isn't illegal, provided it's in private. Soliciting sex in a public place - likely so you can have sex in public, is apparently a misdemeanor. Actually having sex in public is probably a more serious offense.
I'm only going by the article posted and it just said tapping his foot.
If soliciting sex in a public place is illegal, then we need to close down all bars!
The only people we should try to get even with...
...are those who've helped us.
Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
For my money, nothing in his police report is better than, "Craid handed me a business card that identified him as a United States Senator as he stated, "What do you think about that?" I responded by setting his business card down on the table and asking him again for his drivers license"
and then there's this instant classic:
"He has a wide stand when going to the bathroom and that his foot may have touched mine"
I went and read the police report last night. It says that Craig actually stood outside the cop's stall and was repeatedly peeping inside to see what he could find. He didn't go away - he just stood outside and kept peeping inside for something like 2 mins. or more. The cop said he could actually tell the colour of Craig's eyes because he stood there looking for so long. This guy is a fucking creep.
There's a difference between solicitation and hitting on someone.
And restrooms aren't bars.
So it's illegal for me to go up to a girl and ask "Can we have sex"?
I think gays are being discriminated against here. If they want to ask someone to have sex with them in a public place, they should be allowed to just like anyone else can. I'm not talking about soliciting prostitution here, but rather just soliciting sex. I don't think it's necessarily illegal for straight people.
The only people we should try to get even with...
...are those who've helped us.
Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
So it's illegal for me to go up to a girl and ask "Can we have sex"?
I think gays are being discriminated against here. If they want to ask someone to have sex with them in a public place, they should be allowed to just like anyone else can. I'm not talking about soliciting prostitution here, but rather just soliciting sex. I don't think it's necessarily illegal for straight people.
No, try going into a womens bathroom and saying that?
For my money, nothing in his police report is better than, "Craid handed me a business card that identified him as a United States Senator as he stated, "What do you think about that?" I responded by setting his business card down on the table and asking him again for his drivers license"
and then there's this instant classic:
"He has a wide stand when going to the bathroom and that his foot may have touched mine"
The guy sounds like a certified self proclaimed nutcase...with some pretty deviant past times..
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
I think gays are being discriminated against here. If they want to ask someone to have sex with them in a public place, they should be allowed to just like anyone else can. I'm not talking about soliciting prostitution here, but rather just soliciting sex. I don't think it's necessarily illegal for straight people.
Again, it depends. If you hang around outside of a women's restroom in an airport and ask every woman who walks out if they'd like to have sex, I'm pretty sure an officer of the law is eventually going to take notice.
So it's illegal for me to go up to a girl and ask "Can we have sex"?
I think gays are being discriminated against here. If they want to ask someone to have sex with them in a public place, they should be allowed to just like anyone else can. I'm not talking about soliciting prostitution here, but rather just soliciting sex. I don't think it's necessarily illegal for straight people.
I see your point but If there are numerous reports of gay men soliciting sex in a public restroom any police department would go undercover to try and catch people to deter it from happening. Sex in a public restroom is illegal straight or gay. Craig's behavior after the fact showed his guilt more then his actions.
He tried to leave the area after the cop showed his badge, he didn't want to cooperate, and he pulled the don't you know who I am card. Those are all signs that point to his guilt imo. Again being gay is not a crime and neither is being a hypocrite, but it does make you a disgraced senator.
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I see your point but If there are numerous reports of gay men soliciting sex in a public restroom any police department would go undercover to try and catch people to deter it from happening. Sex in a public restroom is illegal straight or gay. Craig's behavior after the fact showed his guilt more then his actions.
He tried to leave the area after the cop showed his badge, he didn't want to cooperate, and he pulled the don't you know who I am card. Those are all signs that point to his guilt imo. Again being gay is not a crime and neither is being a hypocrite, but it does make you a disgraced senator.
I do see your point too. If there was sex taking place in the restroom then I can see why the cops are there. If there are just people soliciting sex, then they probably shouldn't be, in my opinion.
The only people we should try to get even with...
...are those who've helped us.
Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
I do see your point too. If there was sex taking place in the restroom then I can see why the cops are there. If there are just people soliciting sex, then they probably shouldn't be, in my opinion.
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There are people soliciting sex on Hollywood Boulevard... even though they are not actually having sex on Hollywood Boulevard.
Is that okay?
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republicans make the best scandalous closet homosexuals in denial for some reason...
wtf is going on with that scenario?
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
The thing is.. it isn't an anti-Gay or an anti-Republican thing to me... it is an anti-asshole thing. The fucking guy is an asshole. He's all, 'Oh, Man and Woman... Family Values... God and Country'... then, he's playing footsies with some random dude after peeking at him sitting on a shitter. My Family Values says NOTHING about having sex with a random anyone in a public shithouse. And i have gay friends... they don't fuck in shithouses... shit houses is where you shit... not fuck.
Then, he's all, "I'm not gay... I'm not gay... see, here's my wife... she's a woman...". Bullshit! You are trolling shithouses for homosexual sex... dude, you're GAY!!! Just fucking admit it!!! You lying, hypocritical piece of shit. You bang dudes... you are gay!!! No big deal.
And I think it would be a big deal even if he was admittedly gay... it's trolling the SHITHOUSE that is creepy.
Allen Fieldhouse, home of the 2008 NCAA men's Basketball Champions! Go Jayhawks!
Hail, Hail!!!
Why doesn't he just go to a gay bar/porn shop glory hole washroom?
an Airport!?!?...not only is he sick ...but incredibly stupid...
Give him a drug check for meth...
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
republicans make the best scandalous closet homosexuals in denial for some reason...
wtf is going on with that scenario?
human nature....they fight it...they become religious, they become right wing conservatives...but in the end can't change their urges.......
"the ones that scream the loudest are the ones that are fighting it" this will go on and on till all these ignorant fks that think its a choice get their heads out.
If it's sex and not prostitution, then I don't see a problem with it.
How about clergy? Ok then or no?
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
About what is solicited or unsolicited sex, and what is allowed in public places?
I just tried to google and wiki and everything else under the sun, including asking my boyfriend Billy (who said that ANY sex, is good sex, and isn't it time for some?, hint hint?) and I am amazed that it's an open question.
So starting a war on lies, illegal wiretapping, torturing prisoners, not giving a rat's ass about Katrina victims can't get Bush impeached, but tapping his foot in a men's room could? hmmmm.... Is there a public rest room in the White House??
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I'm still not sure why he was forced to resign for asking for sex. I'm also surprised that gay people aren't angrier at these types of stings that target their specific behavior.
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...are those who've helped us.
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Prostitution is one thing, but let's hope that soliciting sex never becomes a crime!
Either there's a lot more to what took place in the bathroom, or I'd have to think that enforcement of the disorderly conduct law is getting a little over zealous.
...are those who've helped us.
Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
He may be a hypocrite, but essentially arresting someone for tapping their foot in a restroom where "soliciting sex" has been reported seems a bit out of line to me.
...are those who've helped us.
Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
Looking for sex isn't illegal. Having sex isn't illegal, provided it's in private. Soliciting sex in a public place - likely so you can have sex in public, is apparently a misdemeanor. Actually having sex in public is probably a more serious offense.
Well.. all I know is that when I'm in a Public restroom... I basically turn into a deaf, blind mute. Someone tries to speak to me... I pretend I'm deaf... tries to gesture to me... I'm blind... and I don't talk to anyone... except maybe at the sinks as I'm washing up.
Someone slides his foot into the stall I'm in... or does hand gestures under the wall... I'm summoning up all of the gastro pressure I can and blast that turd out of my ass and get the hell out of there. And i think most other guys will, too.
...
I especially like his press remarks about 'Not being Gay'. Sorry, bud... but if you're looking to bang man bunghole in a public shitter... face it... you're Gay.
Hail, Hail!!!
That last part made my day. LOL
I'm only going by the article posted and it just said tapping his foot.
If soliciting sex in a public place is illegal, then we need to close down all bars!
...are those who've helped us.
Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
and then there's this instant classic:
"He has a wide stand when going to the bathroom and that his foot may have touched mine"
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And restrooms aren't bars.
So it's illegal for me to go up to a girl and ask "Can we have sex"?
I think gays are being discriminated against here. If they want to ask someone to have sex with them in a public place, they should be allowed to just like anyone else can. I'm not talking about soliciting prostitution here, but rather just soliciting sex. I don't think it's necessarily illegal for straight people.
...are those who've helped us.
Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
No, try going into a womens bathroom and saying that?
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The guy sounds like a certified self proclaimed nutcase...with some pretty deviant past times..
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
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Again, it depends. If you hang around outside of a women's restroom in an airport and ask every woman who walks out if they'd like to have sex, I'm pretty sure an officer of the law is eventually going to take notice.
I see your point but If there are numerous reports of gay men soliciting sex in a public restroom any police department would go undercover to try and catch people to deter it from happening. Sex in a public restroom is illegal straight or gay. Craig's behavior after the fact showed his guilt more then his actions.
He tried to leave the area after the cop showed his badge, he didn't want to cooperate, and he pulled the don't you know who I am card. Those are all signs that point to his guilt imo. Again being gay is not a crime and neither is being a hypocrite, but it does make you a disgraced senator.
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I do see your point too. If there was sex taking place in the restroom then I can see why the cops are there. If there are just people soliciting sex, then they probably shouldn't be, in my opinion.
...are those who've helped us.
Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
There are people soliciting sex on Hollywood Boulevard... even though they are not actually having sex on Hollywood Boulevard.
Is that okay?
Hail, Hail!!!
hugh grant thinks it is....;)
wtf is going on with that scenario?
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
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( o.O)
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Then, he's all, "I'm not gay... I'm not gay... see, here's my wife... she's a woman...". Bullshit! You are trolling shithouses for homosexual sex... dude, you're GAY!!! Just fucking admit it!!! You lying, hypocritical piece of shit. You bang dudes... you are gay!!! No big deal.
And I think it would be a big deal even if he was admittedly gay... it's trolling the SHITHOUSE that is creepy.
Hail, Hail!!!
Why doesn't he just go to a gay bar/porn shop glory hole washroom?
an Airport!?!?...not only is he sick ...but incredibly stupid...
Give him a drug check for meth...
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
(\__/)
( o.O)
(")_(")
If it's sex and not prostitution, then I don't see a problem with it.
...are those who've helped us.
Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
human nature....they fight it...they become religious, they become right wing conservatives...but in the end can't change their urges.......
"the ones that scream the loudest are the ones that are fighting it" this will go on and on till all these ignorant fks that think its a choice get their heads out.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070831/ap_on_go_co/craig_arrest
How about clergy? Ok then or no?
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
(\__/)
( o.O)
(")_(")
About what is solicited or unsolicited sex, and what is allowed in public places?
I just tried to google and wiki and everything else under the sun, including asking my boyfriend Billy (who said that ANY sex, is good sex, and isn't it time for some?, hint hint?) and I am amazed that it's an open question.
It may be wrong, but it shouldn't be against the law in my opinion.
...are those who've helped us.
Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
you're so good
ooooh Bu, tell my fortune, baby.
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or would that have been wrong too????
Till there aint nothing left worth taking away from me.....
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But everybody else is overwhelmed by indifference and the promise of an early bed..."-- Elvis Costello
...are those who've helped us.
Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.