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    YoyoyoYoyoyo Posts: 310
    Its good you posted this actually. It proves that the anti-Paul movement doesn't have a leg to stand on and looks pretty stupid. Who ends an article against someone with their spokeman

    "Paul campaign spokesman Jesse Benton responded thusly: “President Paul would work with Congress to phase out the income tax and cut budgets to sensible, constitutional levels, focusing foremost on eliminating hundreds of billions of dollars of excessive overseas expenditures.”

    Anyone reading this would say know this statement makes a ton of sense and would research Ron Paul more...or am I missing the sarcasm in the article?
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    godpt3godpt3 Posts: 1,020
    Mestophar wrote:
    Anyone reading this would say know this statement makes a ton of sense

    Only if you're completely shallow. I mean, that's like saying "Peace is good." But how are you gonna do it??? If you can't answer the "how" and show a reasonable grasp of impacts, then you have no business playing politics at the presidential level. This is exactly how Bush "won." Twice. Because the voters were too stupid to scratch beneath the surface and realize that, just like the City of Angels, "Once you get there, you realize that there's no there there."



    Ron Paul is the political equivalent of a Hallmark card. It sounds nice, but in the end it's completely meaningless.
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    godpt3 wrote:

    Ron Paul is the political equivalent of a Hallmark card. It sounds nice, but in the end it's completely meaningless.


    I'll take his message over "kool-aid...oh yeah!"

    At least the car is driving in the right direction.
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

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    godpt3godpt3 Posts: 1,020

    At least the car is driving in the right direction.

    to oblivion... and beyond.

    it's not the right time to be sober
    now the idiots have taken over
    spreading like a social cancer, is there an answer?

    Mensa membership conceding
    tell me why and how are all the stupid people breeding
    Watson, it's really elementary
    the industrial revolution
    has flipped the bitch on evolution
    the benevolent and wise are being thwarted, ostracized, what a bummer
    the world keeps getting dumber
    insensitivity is standard and faith is being fancied over reason

    darwin's rollin over in his coffin
    the fittest are surviving much less often
    now everything seems to be reversing, and it's worsening
    someone flopped a steamer in the gene pool
    now angry mob mentality's no longer the exception, it's the rule
    and im startin to feel a lot like charlton heston
    stranded on a primate planet
    apes and orangutans that ran it to the ground
    with generals and the armies that obeyed them
    followers following fables
    philosophies that enable them to rule without regard

    there's no point for democracy when ignorance is celebrated
    political scientists get the same one vote as some Arkansas inbred
    majority rule, don't work in mental institutions
    sometimes the smallest softest voice carries the grand biggest solutions

    what are we left with?
    a nation of god-fearing pregnant nationalists
    who feel it's their duty to populate the homeland
    pass on traditions
    how to get ahead religions
    And prosperity via simpleton culture
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    godpt3 wrote:
    to oblivion... and beyond.

    What's the title of that song called... the constitution?
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

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    godpt3godpt3 Posts: 1,020
    What's the title of that song called... the constitution?

    NOFX - The Idiots are Taking Over
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    godpt3godpt3 Posts: 1,020
    I'll take his message over "kool-aid...oh yeah!"

    Personally, I'd rather have substance over style. But hey, whatever gets you through the night...
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    godpt3 wrote:
    Personally, I'd rather have substance over style. But hey, whatever gets you through the night...


    I don't need the gov't to tuck me in at night. I sleep pretty good on my own.
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

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    godpt3godpt3 Posts: 1,020
    I don't need the gov't to tuck me in at night.

    The ones who say that are usually the ones most in need of help. It's called "denial."
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    mammasanmammasan Posts: 5,656
    godpt3 wrote:
    The ones who say that are usually the ones most in need of help. It's called "denial."

    Besides a slight difference in foreign polcy Obama is no different that horrorable list of Presidents that have filled the White House in our lifetime.
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    godpt3 wrote:
    The ones who say that are usually the ones most in need of help. It's called "denial."


    This is not true. I know how to manage myself. It is called personal responsibility. I do not need big brother to tell me how to spend my money and how much of it is actually mine. Now Income Tax is unfortunatley a must but to reduce it would be wonderful. The government wastes so much money and not just on the war. There are senator with multiple offices and private jets and expensive cars with private drivers, all of which you and I pay for. If we can rid of waste like this, lowering the Income Tax would be possible. Let's not forget all of the nonsensical piggy-backing done with every bill ever passed.
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    godpt3 wrote:
    The ones who say that are usually the ones most in need of help. It's called "denial."

    I've never respected corrupt authority. Some flock to it.
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

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    jlew24asujlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    I've never respected corrupt authority. Some flock to it.

    you flock to any and all 9/11 conspiracy theories like flies on shit even when have been proven untrue. so um yea.
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    jlew24asu wrote:
    you flock to any and all 9/11 conspiracy theories like flies on shit even when have been proven untrue. so um yea.


    Glad to see you're still your vitriolic self.

    so um yea...
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

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    not for nothing, but wonkette is a political commentary site that reports actual news stories but comments on them in a "snarky" manner, and the phrase "paultards" was coined after paul supporters spammed the site's commentary sections with an incessant barrage of psychotic libertarian paulproganda. i just made up a word. the paultard quotes cited in the original post are taken directly from paultard comments. in short, the term paultard isn't meant to be an insult to ron paul, it's meant to insult his supporters.
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    YoyoyoYoyoyo Posts: 310
    not for nothing, but wonkette is a political commentary site that reports actual news stories but comments on them in a "snarky" manner, and the phrase "paultards" was coined after paul supporters spammed the site's commentary sections with an incessant barrage of psychotic libertarian paulproganda. i just made up a word. the paultard quotes cited in the original post are taken directly from paultard comments. in short, the term paultard isn't meant to be an insult to ron paul, it's meant to insult his supporters.

    Yeah, god forbid people believe in something that dispatches from the status quo... And who are you to deem the messages psychotic? Do you feel your losing your grip on power?
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    sweetpotatosweetpotato Posts: 1,278
    Mestophar wrote:
    Yeah, god forbid people believe in something that dispatches from the status quo... And who are you to deem the messages psychotic? Do you feel your losing your grip on power?

    my problem with ron paul is that he's all over the place, not just literally but figuratively. his positions on matters such as the war, abortion, immigration, social security reform, etc. read like a map drawn by a bipolar kindergartner with sugar issues. i can appreciate a candidate who approaches complicated issues thoughtfully and honestly, but just reading the wiki entry on his political positions left me with less of an idea of where he stands than i had before.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_positions_of_Ron_Paul

    :confused:
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    my problem with ron paul is that he's all over the place, not just literally but figuratively. his positions on matters such as the war, abortion, immigration, social security reform, etc. read like a map drawn by a bipolar kindergartner with sugar issues. i can appreciate a candidate who approaches complicated issues thoughtfully and honestly, but just reading the wiki entry on his political positions left me with less of an idea of where he stands than i had before.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_positions_of_Ron_Paul

    :confused:

    Huh.
    I wouldn't be confused at all.

    Look at it like this.

    He CORE beliefs on most of that are RADICAL:
    Abolish the IRS and CIA and Federal Reserve
    Elimnate Medicare, Social Security and Federal Abortion Regulation ...

    pretty much all the stuff he is against, he is hardline against on constitutional principals ...

    HOWEVER, that being said,
    it is ALL tempered by current politcal reality,
    which means that,
    he recognizes the truth that old folks will NOT give up Social Security or Medicare ... so he plans to phase it out through legislation and give young folks an out, but still keep it, and keep the money safe!

    For taxes he would work on laws to get rid of them as quick as possible but as slow as necessary.
    Same for the Federal Reserve.

    Are we talking about the "Free Trade" section? Because NAFTA and CAFTA and all that crap have NOTHING to do with "Free" trade and everything to do with trade in the interest of large corporations, and those that wrote the regulations.

    About the only thing i think he would do ASAP is end the war!

    So i don't know whats on wikipedia these days,
    but that is his is real thoughtprocess.
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    godpt3godpt3 Posts: 1,020
    he recognizes the truth that old folks will NOT give up Social Security or Medicare ... so he plans to phase it out through legislation and give young folks an out, but still keep it, and keep the money safe!

    what happens when young people do exactly that, opt out on SS? How long is the phase-out going to be? Are we just going to say, "too bad, so sad" to the seniors still enrolled in SS and MC when it collapses?
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    godpt3godpt3 Posts: 1,020

    pretty much all the stuff he is against, he is hardline against on constitutional principals ...

    The constitution is not a suicide pact, though. You've got to look beyond what's written on a piece of paper and examine the framer's intent.
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    So a candidate's math doesn't add up when they talk about how they are going to pay for their programs (or in Paul's case, lack of programs)? Welcome to every presidential or governor election that I have ever witnessed. As the election gets closer, their will be countless articles on how no candidate will be able to pay for all they promise.

    And after all, if it's on a site like wonkette, it must be true.
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    godpt3 wrote:
    what happens when young people do exactly that, opt out on SS? How long is the phase-out going to be? Are we just going to say, "too bad, so sad" to the seniors still enrolled in SS and MC when it collapses?

    So i should be forced to turn over my hard earned pay to senior citizens based on what?

    They enrolled first and FUCK YOU FUCK ME who cares about the young folks?

    I don't understand your premise.

    Yeah it would drain the system of funds ... but congress does that just fine on its own by spending every penny and not leaving it be ...

    I don't understand where my RIGHT to not be deprived of my wealth without DUE PROCESS is negated by some old fuck who paid in 40 years ago.

    ???

    I am guaranteed NOT to get SHIT out of SS.
    The whole country knows it ... it is BROKEN ...

    but yet i am REQUIRED under DURESS to pay in???

    Not to be unkind to the old,
    but that is a seriouly fucked assertion you are defending.
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    godpt3godpt3 Posts: 1,020

    Not to be unkind to the old

    Except, that's EXACTLY what you're doing. You're basically telling the elderly to fuck off and die. And we, as a society, have a responsibility to do better than that. But libertarians are so shallow and self-centered that they don't give a damn about anyone but themselves.
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    godpt3 wrote:
    Except, that's EXACTLY what you're doing. You're basically telling the elderly to fuck off and die. And we, as a society, have a responsibility to do better than that. But libertarians are so shallow and self-centered that they don't give a damn about anyone but themselves.

    Whatever.
    This is where we agree to disagree.

    I'm all for keeping SS afloat in whatever way possible,

    but it should include ENSLAVING THE YOUTH.

    again.
    Why should i have to doll out kindess at personal expense under the GUISE of paying in for MY OWN benefit but knowing full well i GET NOTHING out of it?

    THAT IS A SHAM my friend.

    Sounds like you want met o subscribe to a scam and a sham just because old people "deserve" it.

    What about all the money i've put in over the past 10 years?

    That doesn't count, huh?

    Explain to me why i should be resigned to handing out money, just HANDING IT OUT?

    IF the young in this country haven't enough faith in their government (and rightfuly so) to trust them to have money to pay back (after all, that IS the "promise) should they not be able to elect a different way to save for their own retirement?

    Again, the POINT of Social Security is that you are paying in your OWN damn benefits.
    It is not some benevolent bunch of bullshit that says the young pay for the old and get NOTHING in return.

    Right now that is the way it stands, and it is not in any way shape or form acceptable to most of us young'uns out here.

    Oh, you wanna play the fucking selfish card, huh bub?
    ALL THESE OLD FUCKERS ARE SELFISH COCKSUCKERS.
    How bout that?
    You want unkind?
    "oh, me government promised me. YOU YOUNG FOLKS MUST PAY! YOU MUST SUPPORT ME! I AM SELFISH GODDAMNIT, I WANT MY SS, AND YOU CANT GET OUT".

    Who is selfish now?

    I just want to have an option where i'm not forced to pay for something that is promised but not expected to be fulfilled.
    Why should the young have to pay in to a trick?

    Maybe if old people realized that young people would NOT be gauranteeing them money at their own expense, they would put more pressure on congress to keep stealing SS money to pay for other bullshit.

    Lock the fucking box, and start saving america.
    Don't expect my dumb ass to pay for you.
    Because it is a crock of socialist bullshit.
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    mammasan wrote:
    Besides a slight difference in foreign polcy Obama is no different that horrorable list of Presidents that have filled the White House in our lifetime.

    How do you figure? Or are you making a generalized statement about a mainstream candidate because you're a Ron Paul supporter? I've followed Obama very thoroughly since his speech at the DNC and I detect some substantial differences between him and the other candidates. Unlike Paul and the other Dems, he's been staunchly opposed to the war since the beginning. Paul did vote for the President's war authorization yet I commend him for owning up to it and being the lone Republican to state he'd end the war. Obama doesn't take money from PAC's or lobbyists and has offered some plans to share some serious transparency in government. He's a known uniter. So why trash him... because the guy who banged Paul likes him? Please share what makes him so much like those other "horrorable" candidates.

    Like many, I like what Paul has to say but think he wouldn't get much done as Congress would back very few of his policies.
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    godpt3godpt3 Posts: 1,020
    Explain to me why i should be resigned to handing out money, just HANDING IT OUT?

    Because sometimes you just have to do what's right... regardless of how much it costs. It's called maturity.
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    mammasanmammasan Posts: 5,656
    Danny Boy wrote:
    How do you figure? Or are you making a generalized statement about a mainstream candidate because you're a Ron Paul supporter? I've followed Obama very thoroughly since his speech at the DNC and I detect some substantial differences between him and the other candidates. Unlike Paul and the other Dems, he's been staunchly opposed to the war since the beginning. Paul did vote for the President's war authorization yet I commend him for owning up to it and being the lone Republican to state he'd end the war. Obama doesn't take money from PAC's or lobbyists and has offered some plans to share some serious transparency in government. He's a known uniter. So why trash him... because the guy who banged Paul likes him? Please share what makes him so much like those other "horrorable" candidates.

    Like many, I like what Paul has to say but think he wouldn't get much done as Congress would back very few of his policies.

    I actually like Obama. i was just being an ass to see what Godpt3 would say.

    Also Ron Paul voted to give the president the authority to declare war. He never voted for the Invasion of Iraq.
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    mammasanmammasan Posts: 5,656
    godpt3 wrote:
    Because sometimes you just have to do what's right... regardless of how much it costs. It's called maturity.

    No that's called stupidity. Social Security can still be funded for those that are relying on it without having the younger generation continuing to poor money into a failed system. By redributing some of our military spending into the SS program we will have the ability to support the seniors who count on it and have the younger generation pull out of it and invest their money else where. Over 16% of my salary is withheld for SS. None of that money is going into my account. Anyone is who is willing to fork over that much money just because is a fool.
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    mammasan wrote:
    I actually like Obama. i was just being an ass to see what Godpt3 would say.

    Also Ron Paul voted to give the president the authority to declare war. He never voted for the Invasion of Iraq.

    Cool. What's the difference though? I do have to point out that most everybody voting for that bill knew what was coming ~ my living room is far from the Senate floor but I knew what the yay vote meant. At least Paul has since renounced it.
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    jlew24asujlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    mammasan wrote:
    I actually like Obama. i was just being an ass to see what Godpt3 would say.
    ;) being called a paultard stung huh :D
    mammasan wrote:
    Also Ron Paul voted to give the president the authority to declare war. He never voted for the Invasion of Iraq.

    I find this odd.
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