Paul Can't Add, Paultards Don't Care

godpt3

http://wonkette.com/politics/annals-of-the-obvious/paul-cant-add-paultards-dont-care-323698.php

annals of the obvious
Paul Can't Add, Paultards Don't Care

Whuh?One of the main planks of Ron Paul’s Presidential platform is the long-awaited elimination of the income tax. Paul claims that he can eliminate the income tax, pull us out of all international activities (and eliminate some small pieces of the federal government like the Department of Education) and thereby save the world. Or something. Someone smarter than us runs the numbers after the jump.

Michael Dobbs at the Washington Post (hopefully for him, no relation to Lou) asked Ron Paul’s campaign to let him know how the miracle of income tax elimination could be accomplished without functionally crippling our government (not realizing, perhaps, that for many anti-tax advocates that that’s the point!). The individual income tax brings in $1.2 trillion (of the $2.6 trillion the government takes in overall). If he doesn’t plan on borrowing to make up the budget gap, which he says he doesn’t, then he has to find $1.2 trillion in savings. All the budget cuts Ron Paul proposes? Add up to $280 billion according to Dobbs’ (and the federal government’s) figures.

Paul campaign spokesman Jesse Benton responded thusly: “President Paul would work with Congress to phase out the income tax and cut budgets to sensible, constitutional levels, focusing foremost on eliminating hundreds of billions of dollars of excessive overseas expenditures.”
In related Paul news, Paultards would like us to know that:

* we are “a crack-pot kook”
* we are unloved by Jesus
* we “will die by [our] own sword”
* we “are enemies of the Republic”
* “After a proper jury trial, you should likely be hanged for Treason against the Republic. You are aiding and abetting the enemies of this Republic.”

We thank you for your kind words, and plan to continue our march on Berlin.

jlew24asu

Paultards haha thats funny.

DriftingByTheStorm

"Someone smarter than us runs the numbers"?

I don't see any numbers just bottom line figures that show no math to support their claims.

Unless the article breaks down the spending in to groups and shows categoricaly that Ron Paul is wrong, i will continue to support him.
I don't see any proof that what he proposes to cut from the budget wont balance out the taxes he is phasing out.
(there are also some pretty serious savings that go along with firing the Federal Reserve ... debt payments for starters)

The man serves on the House Finance Committee, i think he may understand how the budget works a tad better than a fucking reporter.

Show me some real numbers or shut up with the slander.
It is really that simple.

jlew24asu

DriftingByTheStorm wrote:

Show me some real numbers or shut up with the slander.
It is really that simple.

um he did show you real numbers

RolandTD20Kdrummer

me thinks wonkette is a bit wonky

godpt3

DriftingByTheStorm wrote:

Show me some real numbers or shut up with the slander.
It is really that simple.

OK, for the Mayor of Simpleton...

The individual income tax brings in $1.2 trillion (of the $2.6 trillion the government takes in overall). If he doesn’t plan on borrowing to make up the budget gap, which he says he doesn’t, then he has to find $1.2 trillion in savings. All the budget cuts Ron Paul proposes? Add up to $280 billion according to Dobbs’ (and the federal government’s) figures.


Please remove your head from the rectal configuration.

DriftingByTheStorm

jlew24asu wrote:

um he did show you real numbers

You are really not getting it today.

I can make up number all day long.

How bout this?

"Ron Paul intends to cut the federal income tax. This represents a 2% decrease in federal funds. The government pulls in about 4 trilion dollars each year, and spends only 5 billion. There will be no effect of his income tax abolishment."

What have i ACTUALY proved?

NOTHING.

I just typed in some bottom line numbers.

Once again,
UNLESS YOU CAN ILLUSTRATE WHERE YOUR NUMBERS COME FROM, WHAT FIGURES THEY ARE SUPPORTED BY AND EXPLAIN HOW THESE ARE TRULY ACCURATE FIGURES, I COULD GIVE TWO SHITS.

Any one can trounce about 2 or 3 big numbers and look smart.

Unless you can source out those numbers and break down the expenditures, it is bullshit.

The guy says "All the budget cuts Ron Paul proposes? Add up to $280 billion according to Dobbs’ (and the federal government’s) figures."

Where are these figures?
Why does he not supply them.
Are they relevant?
Are they really indicative of Ron Pauls plan?

You take WAY TOO MUCH at face value.
Keep taking your kool-aid.

godpt3

DriftingByTheStorm wrote:

Keep taking your kool-aid.

It's like rain, on your wedding day
It's a free ride, when you've already paid
It's the good advice, that you just didn't take
And who would've thought? It figures

inmytree

godpt3 wrote:

OK, for the Mayor of Simpleton...

The individual income tax brings in $1.2 trillion (of the $2.6 trillion the government takes in overall). If he doesn’t plan on borrowing to make up the budget gap, which he says he doesn’t, then he has to find $1.2 trillion in savings. All the budget cuts Ron Paul proposes? Add up to $280 billion according to Dobbs’ (and the federal government’s) figures.


Please remove your head from the rectal configuration.

are you saying you're a big fan of individual income tax...?

while I see your point that the numbers don't seem to add up, I would think fiscal conservatives and those who advocate a smaller government would see his proposal as a good thing...

right..?

godpt3

inmytree wrote:

are you saying you're a big fan of individual income tax...?

while I see your point that the numbers don't seem to add up, I would think fiscal conservatives and those who advocate a smaller government would see his proposal as a good thing...

right..?

I'm fiscally conservative, but I'm not stupid enough to do it at the expense of valuable public services. I hate taxes. We all hate taxes. But they do serve an important purpose. Funding services for the common good.

DriftingByTheStorm

godpt3 wrote:

I'm fiscally conservative, but I'm not stupid enough to do it at the expense of valuable public services. I hate taxes. We all hate taxes. But they do serve an important purpose. Funding services for the common good.

I will say this one more time.

EVERY SINGLE DOLLAR OF YOUR FEDERAL INCOME TAX GOES TO PAY INTEREST ON THE NATIONAL DEBT -- A DEBT CREATED IN LARGE PART BY PRINTING FIAT MONEY AND LENDING IT TO THE GOVERNMENT.

ABOLISH THE IRS AND ABOLISH THE FED AND YOU HAVE JUST CANCELED OUT TWO MONSTERS.

I see you drink kool-aid too?

godpt3

DriftingByTheStorm wrote:

I see you drink kool-aid too?

said the pot to the kettle

jlew24asu

DriftingByTheStorm wrote:

I will say this one more time.

EVERY SINGLE DOLLAR OF YOUR FEDERAL INCOME TAX GOES TO PAY INTEREST ON THE NATIONAL DEBT -- A DEBT CREATED IN LARGE PART BY PRINTING FIAT MONEY AND LENDING IT TO THE GOVERNMENT.

ABOLISH THE IRS AND ABOLISH THE FED AND YOU HAVE JUST CANCELED OUT TWO MONSTERS.

I see you drink kool-aid too?

http://www.warresisters.org/piechart.htm

mammasan

Let's say Paul's numbers don't click, fine no man (or woman) is perfect. It's a mistake and hopefully he and his people can go over their plans again and see how they can get the numbers to work. Besides this over sight Paul represents the best option for our country come Nov. 08, in my opinion.

Lastly the minute you called Paul supporters Paultards you lost all credability for lack of maturity.

godpt3

jlew24asu wrote:

http://www.warresisters.org/piechart.htm

so, hey, why don't we cut out the military entirely. I mean, the world is perfectly safe, isn't it. And why should we pay for veterans services??? we don't owe them anything. And Medicare and Medicaid??? Fuck the elderly and the poor.


(this is called sarcasm)

godpt3

mammasan wrote:

Lastly the minute you called Paul supporters Paultards you lost all credability for lack of maturity.

Sometimes you gotta call a spade a spade.

jlew24asu

mammasan wrote:

Let's say Paul's numbers don't click, fine no man (or woman) is perfect. It's a mistake and hopefully he and his people can go over their plans again and see how they can get the numbers to work. Besides this over sight Paul represents the best option for our country come Nov. 08, in my opinion.

Lastly the minute you called Paul supporters Paultards you lost all credability for lack of maturity.

aw come on mamma, it was kinda funny. and I like ron paul alot.

inmytree

godpt3 wrote:

I'm fiscally conservative, but I'm not stupid enough to do it at the expense of valuable public services. I hate taxes. We all hate taxes. But they do serve an important purpose. Funding services for the common good.

if you were truly a fiscal conservative (FC), I would think you welcome Paul's plan with open arms...it would give you FC's a opening to cut down the size of the gov't. To get rid of useless and wasteful programs...you ASS-ume that "valuable public services" will automatically be cut...what about programs like the Dept. of Education...? many feel that program is a waste...

I'm sure there are many others...

My point is, if you are truly a FC, you'd see this as a good thing...

mammasan

godpt3 wrote:

so, hey, why don't we cut out the military entirely. I mean, the world is perfectly safe, isn't it. And why should we pay for veterans services??? we don't owe them anything. And Medicare and Medicaid??? Fuck the elderly and the poor.


(this is called sarcasm)

You don't have to cut out the military completely. Do you realize that our military budget, not counting the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq, is greater that the next 24 countries military budget combined. Our militaryt budget makes up 49%, again excluding the two wars we are currently involded in, of the entire worlds military budget. If you include the two wars we spend more on our military than every other country combined. With a reduction in our militarty budget. Better management of existing social programs we could definitely reduce our tax burden if not completely eliminate it.

mammasan

jlew24asu wrote:

aw come on mamma, it was kinda funny. and I like ron paul alot.

Sorry didn't find the humor in it. I would love to know who godpt3 is supporting in our next presidential election.

godpt3

mammasan wrote:

Sorry didn't find the humor in it. I would love to know who godpt3 is supporting in our next presidential election.

My dream is an Obama/Richardson ticket