If the Republicans really control the stock market, why would they have allowed Bush Sr. to lose to Clinton in 1992 when the country was going through a recession. Surely an oil man like Bush had powerful friends who could've singlehandedly turned the recession around and not allowed Clinton and Carville to use the famous "It's the economy, stupid" line as a rallying cry in 1992. :rolleyes:
Large investors have a degree of control over the market, as do brokerages that force the price of a stock higher/lower based on their coverage/earnings forecast of a stock.....sorta like the way a celebrity can raise the popularity of a clothing line!
The government can influence the market by raising/holding/lowering interest rates.
World unrest can influence the market when people sell out of paranoia, and then bargain hunters step-in to get a great deal afterwards.
Seasonal trends can't really move a stock price.....buying a retail store's shares a few months before the holiday season makes no sense.......buying it before the govt makes their retail forecast is a gamble......not too many secrets left when it comes to buying before everyone else catches on, except for maybe a small company going public.
I think this thread speaks to the level of distrust many have with the current powers that be...
while I agree, it would be very hard to pull off (manipulation of the markets), it's not impossible...nothing is impossible...
The easiest way to manipulate a market is to go to a small horse race track, and put $100 to win on a longshot....watch and see how many people follow suit when they see that the odds have been lowered from 25-1 to 5-1.
The easiest way to manipulate a market is to go to a small horse race track, and put $100 to win on a longshot....watch and see how many people follow suit when they see that the odds have been lowered from 25-1 to 5-1.
People love to follow!
The stock market is indeed very much like the odds at a race track... they change based upon what people are betting on... and people follow...
Manipulating the dow is in fact pretty easy.. people have been doing it for a very long time.
If the purpose of such manipulation is to get Republicans elected which in turn equals more profit, why not just manipulate more profit????????
na your not paying attention.. its just a short term goal - that benefits the bulk of buisnesses.. to the point where a surge may be profitable..
again - a trend - not a conspiracy
gure manipulation is usually for profit .. they try to influence it down before buying and up before selling.. people are arrested for that often - and more often investigated - very difficult to prove
If it serve the majority of businesses for the GOP to maintain control - and an upward trend in the dow has an effect on the voting public - especially the way the GOP will spin in the upcomming weeks - why not wonder if there are not a large number of influencial businessmen -making overly optomistic bullish statements and even bullish purchaces in an attempt to lead the lemmings...
much like a campaign contribution - perhaps more effective - and this a very important election
Perhaps.........or perhaps it's a reverse ploy by the Democrats. See, they're manipulating the market so that Republicans get elected and they won't have to deal with the Iraq mess.......or perhaps the Skull & Bones is just having some fun.........or perhaps the tooth fairy ran out of nickles and needs her Halliburton shares to go up some more..........
na your not paying attention.. its just a short term goal - that benefits the bulk of buisnesses.. to the point where a surge may be profitable..
again - a trend - not a conspiracy
gure manipulation is usually for profit .. they try to influence it down before buying and up before selling.. people are arrested for that often - and more often investigated - very difficult to prove
If it serve the majority of businesses for the GOP to maintain control - and an upward trend in the dow has an effect on the voting public - especially the way the GOP will spin in the upcomming weeks - why not wonder if there are not a large number of influencial businessmen -making overly optomistic bullish statements and even bullish purchaces in an attempt to lead the lemmings...
much like a campaign contribution - perhaps more effective - and this a very important election
So in other words it makes "long term" sense to artificially raise the stock market in order to get Republicans elected tomorrow? So what happens when it all falls apart the next day?
Not that this matters, but can you cite one specific instance of one specific stock purchase using to manipulate the market for Republicans?
Perhaps.........or perhaps it's a reverse ploy by the Democrats. See, they're manipulating the market so that Republicans get elected and they won't have to deal with the Iraq mess.......or perhaps the Skull & Bones is just having some fun.........or perhaps the tooth fairy ran out of nickles and needs her Halliburton shares to go up some more..........
I think the corrput big business cronies (both democrtats and republicans....mostly republicans ) have learned to skim the assets of the companies they control, so they don't need to manipulate stock prices anymore.
If you can't change the price of the stock, loot the assets instead, and leave the smaller stock investor/pension plans to foot the bill!
So in other words it makes "long term" sense to artificially raise the stock market in order to get Republicans elected tomorrow? So what happens when it all falls apart the next day?
Not that this matters, but can you cite one specific instance of one specific stock purchase using to manipulate the market for Republicans?
If it falls apart the next day, they still have 2 years to fix it!
First, Enron did not mainpulate the entire stock market. Secondly, since their mainpulations worked out so well, I'm quite sure everyone will follow suit :rolleyes:
First, Enron did not mainpulate the entire stock market. Secondly, since their mainpulations worked out so well, I'm quite sure everyone will follow suit :rolleyes:
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isnt it much easier to post this rather than calling the thread and poster ignorant for asking a question ?
Freedom is Slavery
Ignorance is Strength
probably. but the question is so foolish it barely deserves my time of finding a link to disprove him.
and i'm sorry but the truth hurts. it is a very ignornant statement he posted.
with over 10,000 posts he should be smart enough to know big business does not make the market rally in order to keep republicans in office.
it can not be done.
I guess the rich and confident have different ways of doing things....
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The government can influence the market by raising/holding/lowering interest rates.
World unrest can influence the market when people sell out of paranoia, and then bargain hunters step-in to get a great deal afterwards.
Seasonal trends can't really move a stock price.....buying a retail store's shares a few months before the holiday season makes no sense.......buying it before the govt makes their retail forecast is a gamble......not too many secrets left when it comes to buying before everyone else catches on, except for maybe a small company going public.
while I agree, it would be very hard to pull off (manipulation of the markets), it's not impossible...nothing is impossible...
The easiest way to manipulate a market is to go to a small horse race track, and put $100 to win on a longshot....watch and see how many people follow suit when they see that the odds have been lowered from 25-1 to 5-1.
People love to follow!
The stock market is indeed very much like the odds at a race track... they change based upon what people are betting on... and people follow...
Manipulating the dow is in fact pretty easy.. people have been doing it for a very long time.
Except that the races end, you know?
How cloak and dagger of you.
Let me ask a very simple question:
If the purpose of such manipulation is to get Republicans elected which in turn equals more profit, why not just manipulate more profit????????
power trumps profit, perhaps?
na your not paying attention.. its just a short term goal - that benefits the bulk of buisnesses.. to the point where a surge may be profitable..
again - a trend - not a conspiracy
gure manipulation is usually for profit .. they try to influence it down before buying and up before selling.. people are arrested for that often - and more often investigated - very difficult to prove
If it serve the majority of businesses for the GOP to maintain control - and an upward trend in the dow has an effect on the voting public - especially the way the GOP will spin in the upcomming weeks - why not wonder if there are not a large number of influencial businessmen -making overly optomistic bullish statements and even bullish purchaces in an attempt to lead the lemmings...
much like a campaign contribution - perhaps more effective - and this a very important election
Perhaps.........or perhaps it's a reverse ploy by the Democrats. See, they're manipulating the market so that Republicans get elected and they won't have to deal with the Iraq mess.......or perhaps the Skull & Bones is just having some fun.........or perhaps the tooth fairy ran out of nickles and needs her Halliburton shares to go up some more..........
So in other words it makes "long term" sense to artificially raise the stock market in order to get Republicans elected tomorrow? So what happens when it all falls apart the next day?
Not that this matters, but can you cite one specific instance of one specific stock purchase using to manipulate the market for Republicans?
um....
If you can't change the price of the stock, loot the assets instead, and leave the smaller stock investor/pension plans to foot the bill!
If it falls apart the next day, they still have 2 years to fix it!
Silly, the races never end.. they have Number 1 every night! even in the winter .. they just watch them on television
But if they can just manipulate the markets, what does it matter?
Ford posts worst loss in 14 years
stock market has know about this for a long time now. its already priced into the stock. then again, you knowing nothing about that
I think the market is used to that news. But who cares? I'm sure Ford can just manipulate themselves a few billion and this will take care of that.
Thats what Enron did.
First, Enron did not mainpulate the entire stock market. Secondly, since their mainpulations worked out so well, I'm quite sure everyone will follow suit :rolleyes:
and news laws were written because of that.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarbanes-Oxley_Act
does anyone here work for a public company? accounting tricks are nearly impossible now.
How is the Lay family doing these days?
Ummm....one of them is dead the rest are relatively broke.
their lives have been ruined since the collapse of Enron. or didnt you know that?
Famous last words....