I like Obama

Abuskedti
Abuskedti Posts: 1,917
edited August 2008 in A Moving Train
and will proudly vote for him
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  • jeffbr
    jeffbr Seattle Posts: 7,177
    Abuskedti wrote:
    and will proudly vote for him

    Yippee.

    I don't like Obama, and will not vote for him.
    "I'll use the magic word - let's just shut the fuck up, please." EV, 04/13/08
  • norm
    norm Posts: 31,146
    apparently that is the only requirement for president nowadays...likability :rolleyes:
  • Abookamongstthemany
    Abookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    Abuskedti wrote:
    and will proudly vote for him


    So what do you like about him? and what makes you proud to vote for him?
    If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.

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  • Its Evolution Baby
    Its Evolution Baby Posts: 849
    I agree with most of his policies and will proudly vote for him.

    Imagine that I actually agree with him and I'm not just some sheep that's been fooled.

    That must boggle some of your minds.
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  • inmytree
    inmytree Posts: 4,741
    Abuskedti wrote:
    and will proudly vote for him

    ut oh....

    be careful...you'll soon be labeled as a brainwashed, know-nothing...:p
  • raszputini
    raszputini Posts: 119
    I'm glad you're not a sheep and are an "informed supporter", so which of his policies do you like most?

    1. The tax plan that fails to generate enough revenue to pay for all of the other initatives he has promised? See, I'm a liberal (more accurately probably libertarian) by nature - but the failing of most liberal politicians is that they want to do a lot of stuff - give teachers raises, cut taxes, universal healthcare for all, better roads, everyone gets free Xboxes, etc. , most of which are very desirable and noble causes, but they also promise to get everyone a tax break except the VERY RICH. Problem is....50% of the tax revenue already comes from the top 10% and when they get in office, they realize that they just can't PAY for all they want to do. So, none of it happens. It's easy to make mistakes like that when you have very little, if any executive experience. Obama's tax plan is written by Goolsbee from the U of Chicago. Like most professors, Goolsbee's experience is academic-land.

    2. Get the troops home tomorrow
    I know that's an exaggeration, but that is really the only difference between Obama's strategy and McCain's - definitive timeframe. McCain is being labelled as Bush II, but his view is quite different than Bush's - who is being handled by his neo-conservative advisors. McCain just won't give a fairyland timetable, but has indicated the need to get troops home as quickly as possible. Two reasons why this demonstrates, at least on this issue, that McCain has more sense: 1.) Don't give your adversaries a roadmap on what you're going to do, and 2.) Don't undermine your troops on multiple levels by saying that all of the sacrifices that have been made up to this point are without merit. Withdrawing prematurely creates a power vaccuum that gets filled by radicals, Iran possibly generating civil war in a powderkeg region.

    3. The Global Anti-Poverty Act - I keep talking about this on this board, because no one else is. I can't believe that people are ignoring the fact that Obama sponsored a bill that transfers 30 BILLION DOLLARS to the United Nations to redistribute to whichever countries it sees fit to. The Welfare State on a GLOBAL level, paid for by you and me. We're talking an UNCONSTITUTIONAL - unapportioned and unrepresentative tax on US citizens that is cloaked as foreign aid. In debates in the Senate, he suggested that this is the FIRST STEP to the U.S. embracing a higher level of globalism....that means more to come.

    Let's be frank - I don't particularly like John McCain. But I really have a tough time with most Obama supprters. His rhetoric is that which we all can buy in to. But especially in light of his lack of experience,(Obama has never even ran a business) it seems to me like we should really examine the claims he's making, especially in terms of economc policy. Good ideas only translate to good policies if they work. Obama's lack of experience suggests he may not be the best judge of that.

    I won't call you names or suggest that you are a sheep. But don't tell me "I like his policies", tell me which policies you like and why. And so far, most Obama people have a tough time with that.
  • inmytree
    inmytree Posts: 4,741
    told ya....:D
  • Abuskedti
    Abuskedti Posts: 1,917
    I just like HIM :)

    I like his approach, I like that he thinks. I like what he says. This is a huge ship moving pretty fast. Its not easy to turn. There are no easy answers. No simple solutions. No "correct" policies. Everything is interconnected - everything is right in some ways and wrong in others.

    I like him because he is thinking and doesn't pretend that there are simple solutions.

    guess I can only go with my intuition since there is not truth to review.
  • VictoryGin
    VictoryGin Posts: 1,207
    raszputini wrote:
    But especially in light of his lack of experience,(Obama has never even ran a business) it seems to me like we should really examine the claims he's making, especially in terms of economc policy. Good ideas only translate to good policies if they work. Obama's lack of experience suggests he may not be the best judge of that.

    so you would consider someone who taught constitutional law as having a lack of experience in policy matters and not able to be the best judge of policy (as opposed to someone who ran a business, to boot)?

    hilarious.
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  • LikeAnOpeningBandForTheSun
    LikeAnOpeningBandForTheSun Posts: 6,097
    i like pie, so i will be voting for pie.
  • norm
    norm Posts: 31,146
    MrSmith wrote:
    i like pie, so i will be voting for pie.


    mmmm....me too...what kind?
  • VictoryGin
    VictoryGin Posts: 1,207
    cutback wrote:
    mmmm....me too...what kind?

    i suggest you try the humble pie.
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  • norm
    norm Posts: 31,146
    VictoryGin wrote:
    i suggest you try the humble pie.

    :D
  • inmytree
    inmytree Posts: 4,741
    Abuskedti wrote:
    I just like HIM :)

    I like his approach, I like that he thinks. I like what he says. This is a huge ship moving pretty fast. Its not easy to turn. There are no easy answers. No simple solutions. No "correct" policies. Everything is interconnected - everything is right in some ways and wrong in others.

    I like him because he is thinking and doesn't pretend that there are simple solutions.

    guess I can only go with my intuition since there is not truth to review.

    thank you, thank you, thank you!!!

    very well said...
  • Sludge Factory
    Sludge Factory Posts: 976
    raszputini wrote:
    3. The Global Anti-Poverty Act - I keep talking about this on this board, because no one else is. I can't believe that people are ignoring the fact that Obama sponsored a bill that transfers 30 BILLION DOLLARS to the United Nations to redistribute to whichever countries it sees fit to. The Welfare State on a GLOBAL level, paid for by you and me. We're talking an UNCONSTITUTIONAL - unapportioned and unrepresentative tax on US citizens that is cloaked as foreign aid. In debates in the Senate, he suggested that this is the FIRST STEP to the U.S. embracing a higher level of globalism....that means more to come.

    This one right here is probably the most upsetting part of his policy. People don't seem to even take into consideration the precedent this sets for future policy. We already can't afford things the way it is. How in the world does someone even fathom that we'll be able to afford to pay for the world.
  • callen
    callen Posts: 6,388
    supreme court nominations....forget all the rhetoric..campaign promises etc etc....it all comes down to who's interpreting the constitution...and I'll place my bets on Obama over McCain.
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  • callen
    callen Posts: 6,388
    Sludge Factory wrote:
    This one right here is probably the most upsetting part of his policy. People don't seem to even take into consideration the precedent this sets for future policy. We already can't afford things the way it is. How in the world does someone even fathom that we'll be able to afford to pay for the world.

    30 Billion=a few weeks in Iraq
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  • VictoryGin
    VictoryGin Posts: 1,207
    callen wrote:
    30 Billion=a few weeks in Iraq

    you beat me to it. :)

    i was thinking someone could fathom new spending by ending obvious horrible ginormous spending, such as the war in iraq. they could also end less ginormous spending such as the over 1.5 billion we've pumped into abstinence-only education. they could also fathom it by saving tons by modernizing records systems and making them electronic, for example.
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  • callen
    callen Posts: 6,388
    VictoryGin wrote:
    you beat me to it. :)

    i was thinking someone could fathom new spending by ending obvious horrible ginormous spending, such as the war in iraq. they could also end less ginormous spending such as the over 1.5 billion we've pumped into abstinence-only education. they could also fathom it by saving tons by modernizing records systems and making them electronic, for example.


    Freakin depressing.


    Oh love your screen name.
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  • raszputini
    raszputini Posts: 119
    Can't disagree with you Abuskedti. There's much to be said for intuition, and I agree there are no easy solutions. We are in a time that has no model or roadmap. Our difference lies in our gut instincts. Mine suggests Obama is, to quote some author somewhere, "like a minor league pitcher that finds himself starting Game 7 of the World Series in his first Major League start". He could be lightning in a bottle, or he could be waaay over his head and history suggests the latter. Obama reminds me a lot of Carter, and my gut tells me that we can't afford the mistakes he will likely make.

    "Intuition, like the rays of the sun, acts only in an inflexibly straight line; it can guess right only on condition of never diverting its gaze; the freaks of chance disturb it."
    -Honore De Balzac

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