I like Obama
Abuskedti
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and will proudly vote for him
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Abuskedti
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Yippee.
I don't like Obama, and will not vote for him.
So what do you like about him? and what makes you proud to vote for him?
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
Imagine that I actually agree with him and I'm not just some sheep that's been fooled.
That must boggle some of your minds.
6/7/2003 (***1/2)
7/9/2006 (****1/2)
7/13/2006 (**** )
4/10/2008 EV Solo (****1/2)
6/25/2008 MSG II (*****)
10/1/2009 LA II (****)
10/6/2009 LA III (***** Cornell!!!)
ut oh....
be careful...you'll soon be labeled as a brainwashed, know-nothing...:p
1. The tax plan that fails to generate enough revenue to pay for all of the other initatives he has promised? See, I'm a liberal (more accurately probably libertarian) by nature - but the failing of most liberal politicians is that they want to do a lot of stuff - give teachers raises, cut taxes, universal healthcare for all, better roads, everyone gets free Xboxes, etc. , most of which are very desirable and noble causes, but they also promise to get everyone a tax break except the VERY RICH. Problem is....50% of the tax revenue already comes from the top 10% and when they get in office, they realize that they just can't PAY for all they want to do. So, none of it happens. It's easy to make mistakes like that when you have very little, if any executive experience. Obama's tax plan is written by Goolsbee from the U of Chicago. Like most professors, Goolsbee's experience is academic-land.
2. Get the troops home tomorrow
I know that's an exaggeration, but that is really the only difference between Obama's strategy and McCain's - definitive timeframe. McCain is being labelled as Bush II, but his view is quite different than Bush's - who is being handled by his neo-conservative advisors. McCain just won't give a fairyland timetable, but has indicated the need to get troops home as quickly as possible. Two reasons why this demonstrates, at least on this issue, that McCain has more sense: 1.) Don't give your adversaries a roadmap on what you're going to do, and 2.) Don't undermine your troops on multiple levels by saying that all of the sacrifices that have been made up to this point are without merit. Withdrawing prematurely creates a power vaccuum that gets filled by radicals, Iran possibly generating civil war in a powderkeg region.
3. The Global Anti-Poverty Act - I keep talking about this on this board, because no one else is. I can't believe that people are ignoring the fact that Obama sponsored a bill that transfers 30 BILLION DOLLARS to the United Nations to redistribute to whichever countries it sees fit to. The Welfare State on a GLOBAL level, paid for by you and me. We're talking an UNCONSTITUTIONAL - unapportioned and unrepresentative tax on US citizens that is cloaked as foreign aid. In debates in the Senate, he suggested that this is the FIRST STEP to the U.S. embracing a higher level of globalism....that means more to come.
Let's be frank - I don't particularly like John McCain. But I really have a tough time with most Obama supprters. His rhetoric is that which we all can buy in to. But especially in light of his lack of experience,(Obama has never even ran a business) it seems to me like we should really examine the claims he's making, especially in terms of economc policy. Good ideas only translate to good policies if they work. Obama's lack of experience suggests he may not be the best judge of that.
I won't call you names or suggest that you are a sheep. But don't tell me "I like his policies", tell me which policies you like and why. And so far, most Obama people have a tough time with that.
I like his approach, I like that he thinks. I like what he says. This is a huge ship moving pretty fast. Its not easy to turn. There are no easy answers. No simple solutions. No "correct" policies. Everything is interconnected - everything is right in some ways and wrong in others.
I like him because he is thinking and doesn't pretend that there are simple solutions.
guess I can only go with my intuition since there is not truth to review.
so you would consider someone who taught constitutional law as having a lack of experience in policy matters and not able to be the best judge of policy (as opposed to someone who ran a business, to boot)?
hilarious.
cross the river to the eastside
mmmm....me too...what kind?
i suggest you try the humble pie.
cross the river to the eastside
thank you, thank you, thank you!!!
very well said...
This one right here is probably the most upsetting part of his policy. People don't seem to even take into consideration the precedent this sets for future policy. We already can't afford things the way it is. How in the world does someone even fathom that we'll be able to afford to pay for the world.
30 Billion=a few weeks in Iraq
you beat me to it.
i was thinking someone could fathom new spending by ending obvious horrible ginormous spending, such as the war in iraq. they could also end less ginormous spending such as the over 1.5 billion we've pumped into abstinence-only education. they could also fathom it by saving tons by modernizing records systems and making them electronic, for example.
cross the river to the eastside
Freakin depressing.
Oh love your screen name.
"Intuition, like the rays of the sun, acts only in an inflexibly straight line; it can guess right only on condition of never diverting its gaze; the freaks of chance disturb it."
-Honore De Balzac
i think that is awesome!
I believe he is legit, and will proudly vote for him as well
"Rookie pitcher in game 7" That's just another angle the other side is using. Correct me if I am wrong, McCain is old, but he has never been President either. They are both rookies.
right on brother... i used the same large ship analogy a few days ago somewhere... you gotta start turning the wheel at some point to turn this big fucker in the right direction
Obama is a three year Senator who did very little, before that he was a lawyer for a few years and worked as a volunteer.
McCain has 20 years of legislative experience, both Senate and House and has chaired multiple Senate Committees (which is executive-like). Before that he was the military liaison to the Senate.
Neither have been President, but their job training is very, very different
Obama says 16 months, and no matter what - we'll be out of Iraq. At least that became his story mid - Primary. However in the fall and winter (just a few months prior) his story was.....
"Obama repeatedly said that he wanted to be "as careful getting out as we were careless getting in" and reassured voters that the withdrawal would take time, would be careful and take humanitarian and security concerns into consideration and that it could take up to two and half to three years."
(http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/01/21/596680.aspx)
That would be as late as 2012.
16 month withdrawal is nothing more than a campaign LIE. To win the Democratic Primary, he had to be the guy that brings the troops home first. He made these changes in policy without visiting Iraq or talking with anyone with any first hand knowledge of what is happening.
Read that quote and compare it with McCain's policy - which is nearly IDENTICAL.
"On Iraq, McCain's goal is that by 2013 most of the servicemen and women will have returned, the Iraq War will have been won, and Iraq will be a functioning democracy, "although still suffering from the lingering effects of decades of tyranny and centuries of sectarian tension." McCain expects that by 2013, there will still be violence, but at a much-reduced level, and without American troops in a direct combat role."
Obama says by the end of 2012, McCain says by 2013? Then, Obama shifted his position out of political opportunism.
McCain makes that judgement with a military background, after 6 visits on the ground in Iraq in the past two years and multiple meetings with Petraeus and the Iraqi government. Obama makes his by thinking it would win him the Primary, and it did.
We want out. The Iraqis want us out. But why is a specific timetable the issue? Isn''t the most important thing not be forced to go back?
Here's Obama really articulating his position back in late 2007. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PwgjYMw310U).
He says he'll pull troops out in 16 months - but leave behind troops for security and to carry out targeted strikes against Al-Qaeda. Doesn't say how many get pulled out, how many stay - but there will certainly be troops there after 16 months. How is that really different from McCain?
Now everyone thinks Obama brings the troops home in 16 months becasue he keeps saying and no one looks past the rhetoric.
If I opened it now would you not understand?
you should follow your own advice.
a lawyer for "a few years"? and worked as a volunteer? what does that even mean?
barack obama has worked:
for business international corporation
for NY PIRG
as a community organizer (director of the developing communities project)
as editor then president of the harvard law review (not paid)
as a writer of 2 books
for illinois project vote
as a constitutional law lecturer (FOR 12 YEARS)
as an attorney for civil rights and neighborhood economic development
on various boards
in the illinois state legislature, served as chairman of the HHS committee
as a US senator
cross the river to the eastside
But his actual accomplishments are slim
various boards and positions aren't much without actions/activist work and acheivements to go along with them. It comes off more like 'various' shit to put on a resume.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
Every time I ask for some real differences in their policies especially foreign it gets real quiet.
They just 'believe' that Obama is going to be so much better but have nothing but intuition to back this up. I'm a firm believer in intuition myself but I'm not going to ignore what's right in front of my face to put blind faith in a politician who has done absolutely nothing to deserve it. That goes one step beyond illogical.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
"for business international corporation"
Obama wrote a newsletters for overseas companies for less than a year in an organization that some call a "sweatshop", it was more of an internship than a job. Employees called it “high school with ashtrays.”
http (http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=92337754)
"for NY PIRG"
This was as a non-profit organizer with a 10K stipend
"as a community organizer (director of the developing communities project)
Also as a nonprofit organizer. You know when you have no experience you figure out ways to make one job seem like many on your resume. I did that when I was 21.
as editor then president of the harvard law review (not paid)
Certainly an honor. Obama was obviously a good student and can write.
as a writer of 2 books
Again....great. He can write. So can Steven King. No one gave a shit about his books until he ran for President.
for illinois project vote
Again, a community organizer. Cool.
as a constitutional law lecturer (FOR 12 YEARS)
He has a degree. In law. I said that. He practiced for three years, before that he went to school. After that he stuck around and taught some classes while he figured out what he wanted to do. During this time period he also did a lot of non-profit stuff that is listed here mulitiple times as well.
as an attorney for civil rights and neighborhood economic development
I said that.
on various boards
What does this mean?
in the illinois state legislature, served as chairman of the HHS committee
This is true, for less than a year and while he was campaigning for US Senate. Keep in mind that this is STATE Legislature. My uncle Louie is a state senator.
as a US senator
For three lazy years.
Obama is DEFINITELY qualified to be a junior partner at a law firm, he could work at a magazine, and he could run the Boys & Girls Club. What qualifies him to be President. And let's go with "experience" or "accomplishments", not guesses, intuition or "you just got a good feeling."
How do you see Obama as turning this ship in the right direction? What has he done to make you believe this?
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde