sorry guys, in french you can say "language des sourds", not refering to the "sign language" but to the fact that someone is choosing to keep the same speech, even if they're proven wrong, they're not listening , anyway...
"L'homme est né libre, et partout il est dans les fers"
-Jean-Jacques Rousseau
Yeah this warm weather is kinda weird..no snow here and yesterday was mild as I ....get this...cut my grass in my backyard as it was getting long...Cutting grass in december??..what?..lol...Xmas next week and I cut my grass in december and no snow at all...the times they are a changing...lol
I was just commenting that it is funny when a single weather event occurs somewhere in the world, we extrapolate "global warming" from that single event.
The northwest just got hit by a huge storm. But the storm was reported as the biggeest in a decade. That says that a decade ago we had an event, and a decade later another event. Just like the Katrina hurricane season was supposed to usher in even more hurricanes the following year. How was the hurricane season this year? So little coverage about it. I'm guessing it wasn't quite the huge season the doomsayers were predicting.
i don't really understand how you can say the trend is constant ...
as for your single weather event comment - that is what everyone says when we point to weather events each and every time ... yet, why isn't anyone able to string them together?? ... there is no snow in the european alps, the sea ice isn't close to what it should be in the arctic, the weather has been so far from normal in the pacific northwest, etc ...
as for the hurricanes - the only explanation I have is the lack of wind shear in the atlantic this season which was not the case in the pacific ocean where we have seen devastating typhoons this season ...
the whole idea about global warming is that people don't; or will not understand it. it's snowing in the desert so people are assured that global warming doesn't exist. the only thing global warming has to do with temperatures in regions is the weather changes it causes. for example; in 2 days it will be tee shirt weather here and the snow will melt and water the desert. my pastures will green up and i'll have to feed less hay. someone in the northeast is really diggin the warm weather and life is good.
but no one is discussing the problem this has caused. this snow needs to be on the mountains to the north to provide water in the spring and summer. it's needed to replenish the aquifer we've drawn from.
global warming changes weather patterns but no one aknowledges the real damage being done.
absolutely ... i know everyone loves the warm weather but i'm sure the farmers who need the ground to freeze or the people in the north who depend on sea ice to feed themselves are not too happy ...
Not really temperatures in Seattle have been just about average for this time of year. Yes, we have had a little more rain, and it was really windy last week, but that isn't unusual for this time of year. Now if it was raining here and the mountains were getting rain instead of snow, then it might be a little more suspect, but the Cascades are on pace to have another great snowpact.
are you saying that huge snowstorm in november was normal? ... and then the storm that caused some flooding shortly after and now that windstorm last week? ... all normal weather for your area?? ...
We all need to be concerned about the weather patterns. I was playing golf in November wearing a T shirt! Unfortunately certain politicians aren't prepared to make changes if it will effect jobs in their countries. We have our leaders arse licking leaders of growing economies e.g China and turning a blind eye to the pollution and ecological destruction these countries are causing. After all they'll be dead when our grandchildren have to face the consequences.
Last week I saw a documentary on National Geographic (I think) about the melting of the permafrost layer in Siberia. Properties are subsiding and collapsing but the most frightening aspect was the fact that this is realeasing tons of carbon into the atmosphere. Carbon is a major factor in global warming. So there we have it, global warming is causing global warming.
The poor sods in New Orleans have had to face nature getting it's own back and more are likely to follow. Perhaps when Los Angeles runs out of water because of the disappearing mountain ice caps then Bush will take it really seriously. When London disappears under water then fuckwit Blair will do something positive instead of making token vote winning gestures.
It's time to ban the manufacture of gas guzzling cars (sorry my American friends) and executive air travel just to start with. If we don't make sacrifices we are going to suffer badly.
Humans must reduce the pollutions they create, and yes it is government role to show leadership, but it is up to each individuals to make a difference. Unfortunatly, too many are just ignoring the thing, call it ignorance for those who just don't realize or just don't know or call it stupidity for those who knows but choose to "stay the course".
"L'homme est né libre, et partout il est dans les fers"
-Jean-Jacques Rousseau
are you saying that huge snowstorm in november was normal? ... and then the storm that caused some flooding shortly after and now that windstorm last week? ... all normal weather for your area?? ...
Ok first of all it wasn't a huge snowstorm. I had about three inches in my area, and the most was around a ft of snow in others. Is it normal to have snow in November in Western WA, not really, but I wouldn't say it's abnormal either. I have lived here 20 years and every couple of years we have snow in November.
Actually the flooding came before the snowstorm, and while it was pretty major flooding, it does happen here, especially in the lower farming areas.
The wind was the least suprising of all three events. If you live in this area and are suprised that there will be one or two really windy nights then your an idiot.
Ok first of all it wasn't a huge snowstorm. I had about three inches in my area, and the most was around a ft of snow in others. Is it normal to have snow in November in Western WA, not really, but I wouldn't say it's abnormal either. I have lived here 20 years and every couple of years we have snow in November.
Actually the flooding came before the snowstorm, and while it was pretty major flooding, it does happen here, especially in the lower farming areas.
The wind was the least suprising of all three events. If you live in this area and are suprised that there will be one or two really windy nights then your an idiot.
I live just up the road in Vancouver and the weather has been verrry strange. Firstly, windstorms are quite rare here and we had 3 very serious events in 3 weeks. Hurricane strength gusts are not a normal occurrance. Then we had rain storms so severe that we had a boiling water advisory for 10 days because there was so much runoff from the excessive rain that it clouded up our reservoirs. (yes, logging in the watershed did have some to do with it as well, but nonethless...) followed by a foot of snow and -10 degree weather in November. We rarely get that much snow, we almost never get that cold and it never comes in November. Meanwhile Toronto and the Maritimes were enjoying temperatures between 15-20 C. Something is fucked up.
Ok first of all it wasn't a huge snowstorm. I had about three inches in my area, and the most was around a ft of snow in others. Is it normal to have snow in November in Western WA, not really, but I wouldn't say it's abnormal either. I have lived here 20 years and every couple of years we have snow in November.
Actually the flooding came before the snowstorm, and while it was pretty major flooding, it does happen here, especially in the lower farming areas.
The wind was the least suprising of all three events. If you live in this area and are suprised that there will be one or two really windy nights then your an idiot.
well ... i was in hawaii at the time and it sure didn't look normal on the tv ... and they sure looked like they got more than a foot ...
i guess if it all seems normal to you then it must be ...
well ... i was in hawaii at the time and it sure didn't look normal on the tv ... and they sure looked like they got more than a foot ...
i guess if it all seems normal to you then it must be ...
Does anything ever look normal on TV? Yes some people had a foot of snow, but those were in the foothills of the Cascades, and while that doesn't happen every year it isn't totally abnormal.
I'm not saying weather conditions haven't been differnet for this time of year, I'm just not freaking out that it is a direct result of the polar ice caps melting. The reason being I've seen this weather numerous times since I've lived here.
Does anything ever look normal on TV? Yes some people had a foot of snow, but those were in the foothills of the Cascades, and while that doesn't happen every year it isn't totally abnormal.
I'm not saying weather conditions haven't been differnet for this time of year, I'm just not freaking out that it is a direct result of the polar ice caps melting. The reason being I've seen this weather numerous times since I've lived here.
well ... i'm also assuming that when they put people on camera who say they haven't seen this kind of weather for a long time - and that it is very unusual that it means something ...
also - every weather event has occured in the past ... its not like we're gonna get new weather event types ... the question is whether you take all the anomalies that exist throughout the world as a sign of something more ...
well ... i'm also assuming that when they put people on camera who say they haven't seen this kind of weather for a long time - and that it is very unusual that it means something ...
also - every weather event has occured in the past ... its not like we're gonna get new weather event types ... the question is whether you take all the anomalies that exist throughout the world as a sign of something more ...
Those people must not have lived in the NW for too long then. I guess I just don't take all the anomalies as a sign of too much "more".
It's funny how the global warming debate is evenly divided by political wing. Just further proof that politcs has been more of a sport where people are more concerned about their team winning than what is truth.
Being that this is a science issue, you'd think that it'd be relatively evenly split since none of us really understand the science behind it to a detail level, and we just read the summaries we see in the media.
It's funny how the global warming debate is evenly divided by political wing. Just further proof that politcs has been more of a sport where people are more concerned about their team winning than what is truth.
Being that this is a science issue, you'd think that it'd be relatively evenly split since none of us really understand the science behind it to a detail level, and we just read the summaries we see in the media.
i have studied it ... i worked one of my co-op work terms for the climate change centre here in canada ...
most people who don't believe in climate change don't understand the science ... its actually quite simple ... but when money is involved - everything gets distorted and truths are bent and PR campaigns are launched ...
What we experienced in Vancouver was highly, highly irregular. Seattle had the same conditions as we did. In no way is this "normal"
i was in town just after your first snowstorm ... it was funny in a way - i had promised my friend in vancouver that she will for sure see snow on the ground in vancouver this year ... didn't think it would be the day i was hanging out ...
either way ... stanley park was gorgeous as was the north shore that day ...
i was in town just after your first snowstorm ... it was funny in a way - i had promised my friend in vancouver that she will for sure see snow on the ground in vancouver this year ... didn't think it would be the day i was hanging out ...
either way ... stanley park was gorgeous as was the north shore that day ...
Stanley Park has been ravaged by the last wind storm. They estimate over 1000 trees (some old growth) have been felled by wind. It is very sad. It looks like a clear cut in some areas.
I am no expert in climatology, but I do have a degree in environmental geography which takes a fair amount of climate knowledge so I do have SOME degree of knowledge past newspapers.
Even if you look past the Pacific NW, there have been a huge number of weather anomolies recently. Although we are finally recieving the first decent skiing year here, in the Alps in Europe, they are very worried about their season as they have hardly received any snow at all.
Oh yeah, Vancouver broke our record high temperature a couple of days ago. Record winds, cold, high, rain all within a couple of weeks.
i have studied it ... i worked one of my co-op work terms for the climate change centre here in canada ...
most people who don't believe in climate change don't understand the science ... its actually quite simple ... but when money is involved - everything gets distorted and truths are bent and PR campaigns are launched ...
Question -
How do you separate to what degree that mankind is the cause of climate change? Personally, I think it is entirely probably (based on my admittedly amateur knowledge) that mankind is part of it. But to what degree (5%, 50%, fluctuating depending on other factors, etc), is where I'm lost.
Certainly there has been climate change in the past where mankind had little to do with. Ice ages coming & going, worldwide droughts, the "Dust Bowl" of the 1930's, etc.
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sorry guys, in french you can say "language des sourds", not refering to the "sign language" but to the fact that someone is choosing to keep the same speech, even if they're proven wrong, they're not listening , anyway...
-Jean-Jacques Rousseau
Fuck that, I want to stay around a little longer!
Though, l wouldn't mind if it got a little colder would sure make things more comfortable.
naděje umírá poslední
enjoy the warm weather where you are, it will get cold soon enough
There are ways to accomplish this without waiting for the weather to do it. Are you man enough to practice what you preach?
...are those who've helped us.
Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
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i don't really understand how you can say the trend is constant ...
as for your single weather event comment - that is what everyone says when we point to weather events each and every time ... yet, why isn't anyone able to string them together?? ... there is no snow in the european alps, the sea ice isn't close to what it should be in the arctic, the weather has been so far from normal in the pacific northwest, etc ...
as for the hurricanes - the only explanation I have is the lack of wind shear in the atlantic this season which was not the case in the pacific ocean where we have seen devastating typhoons this season ...
absolutely ... i know everyone loves the warm weather but i'm sure the farmers who need the ground to freeze or the people in the north who depend on sea ice to feed themselves are not too happy ...
are you saying that huge snowstorm in november was normal? ... and then the storm that caused some flooding shortly after and now that windstorm last week? ... all normal weather for your area?? ...
Last week I saw a documentary on National Geographic (I think) about the melting of the permafrost layer in Siberia. Properties are subsiding and collapsing but the most frightening aspect was the fact that this is realeasing tons of carbon into the atmosphere. Carbon is a major factor in global warming. So there we have it, global warming is causing global warming.
The poor sods in New Orleans have had to face nature getting it's own back and more are likely to follow. Perhaps when Los Angeles runs out of water because of the disappearing mountain ice caps then Bush will take it really seriously. When London disappears under water then fuckwit Blair will do something positive instead of making token vote winning gestures.
It's time to ban the manufacture of gas guzzling cars (sorry my American friends) and executive air travel just to start with. If we don't make sacrifices we are going to suffer badly.
-Jean-Jacques Rousseau
Are you serious? Do you really think that? ARe you really hoping for this? If so, how could you voluntarily continue living?
Not being a smart ass, just asking questions.
Not compared to the billions that the earth has been around.
...are those who've helped us.
Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
Ok first of all it wasn't a huge snowstorm. I had about three inches in my area, and the most was around a ft of snow in others. Is it normal to have snow in November in Western WA, not really, but I wouldn't say it's abnormal either. I have lived here 20 years and every couple of years we have snow in November.
Actually the flooding came before the snowstorm, and while it was pretty major flooding, it does happen here, especially in the lower farming areas.
The wind was the least suprising of all three events. If you live in this area and are suprised that there will be one or two really windy nights then your an idiot.
I live just up the road in Vancouver and the weather has been verrry strange. Firstly, windstorms are quite rare here and we had 3 very serious events in 3 weeks. Hurricane strength gusts are not a normal occurrance. Then we had rain storms so severe that we had a boiling water advisory for 10 days because there was so much runoff from the excessive rain that it clouded up our reservoirs. (yes, logging in the watershed did have some to do with it as well, but nonethless...) followed by a foot of snow and -10 degree weather in November. We rarely get that much snow, we almost never get that cold and it never comes in November. Meanwhile Toronto and the Maritimes were enjoying temperatures between 15-20 C. Something is fucked up.
well ... i was in hawaii at the time and it sure didn't look normal on the tv ... and they sure looked like they got more than a foot ...
i guess if it all seems normal to you then it must be ...
Does anything ever look normal on TV? Yes some people had a foot of snow, but those were in the foothills of the Cascades, and while that doesn't happen every year it isn't totally abnormal.
I'm not saying weather conditions haven't been differnet for this time of year, I'm just not freaking out that it is a direct result of the polar ice caps melting. The reason being I've seen this weather numerous times since I've lived here.
well ... i'm also assuming that when they put people on camera who say they haven't seen this kind of weather for a long time - and that it is very unusual that it means something ...
also - every weather event has occured in the past ... its not like we're gonna get new weather event types ... the question is whether you take all the anomalies that exist throughout the world as a sign of something more ...
Those people must not have lived in the NW for too long then. I guess I just don't take all the anomalies as a sign of too much "more".
Being that this is a science issue, you'd think that it'd be relatively evenly split since none of us really understand the science behind it to a detail level, and we just read the summaries we see in the media.
i have studied it ... i worked one of my co-op work terms for the climate change centre here in canada ...
most people who don't believe in climate change don't understand the science ... its actually quite simple ... but when money is involved - everything gets distorted and truths are bent and PR campaigns are launched ...
i was in town just after your first snowstorm ... it was funny in a way - i had promised my friend in vancouver that she will for sure see snow on the ground in vancouver this year ... didn't think it would be the day i was hanging out ...
either way ... stanley park was gorgeous as was the north shore that day ...
Stanley Park has been ravaged by the last wind storm. They estimate over 1000 trees (some old growth) have been felled by wind. It is very sad. It looks like a clear cut in some areas.
I am no expert in climatology, but I do have a degree in environmental geography which takes a fair amount of climate knowledge so I do have SOME degree of knowledge past newspapers.
Even if you look past the Pacific NW, there have been a huge number of weather anomolies recently. Although we are finally recieving the first decent skiing year here, in the Alps in Europe, they are very worried about their season as they have hardly received any snow at all.
Oh yeah, Vancouver broke our record high temperature a couple of days ago. Record winds, cold, high, rain all within a couple of weeks.
Question -
How do you separate to what degree that mankind is the cause of climate change? Personally, I think it is entirely probably (based on my admittedly amateur knowledge) that mankind is part of it. But to what degree (5%, 50%, fluctuating depending on other factors, etc), is where I'm lost.
Certainly there has been climate change in the past where mankind had little to do with. Ice ages coming & going, worldwide droughts, the "Dust Bowl" of the 1930's, etc.