For those that Bitch about U.S. torture

gue_barium

http://www.militaryfreeschools.org/PDF/enlistment_agreement.pdf

mammasan

NCfan wrote:

I'm NOT trying to condone it. Pay attention to my arguement. It pisses me off that 90% of our soldiers who are captured are either tortured or killed, and that get's about 10% of the media's attention. On the other hand, about 10% of enemy soldiers get tortured by the US, but that gets 90% of the media's attention. Do you get it????

Maybe more of the focus is placed on our actions because we are supposed to be better that the terrorist. We are not supposed to act as they act and do as they do. Like I stated early the jihadist are savage animals. As horrible as their actions are it is what is expected of them., but from us I would expect more.

baraka

An interesting article written on the subject:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A2302-2005Jan11.html


I'm reminded of a line in Reservoir Dogs:

Nice Guy Eddie: "If you fucking beat this prick long enough, he'll tell you he started the goddamn Chicago fire, now that don't necessarily make it fucking so!"

RainDog

NCfan wrote:

I'm NOT trying to condone it. Pay attention to my arguement. It pisses me off that 90% of our soldiers who are captured are either tortured or killed, and that get's about 10% of the media's attention. On the other hand, about 10% of enemy soldiers get tortured or killed by the US, but that gets 90% of the media's attention. Do you get it????

You forgot a bit, there - kinda like that media you're complaining about.

But, to your point, the reason our soldiers get more attention when they commit crimes is because they are our soldiers. They're the only ones we can do anything about.

Well, not exactly, I guess. Had we never invaded Iraq, we could then have pre-emptively stopped the enemy from capturing, torturing, and killing our soldiers. We could also pre-emptively stop this from happening to our soldiers in the future if we, say, leave Iraq. 'Nother thread, though.

baraka

mammasan wrote:

Maybe more of the focus is placed on our actions because we are supposed to be better that the terrorist. We are not supposed to act as they act and do as they do. Like I stated early the jihadist are savage animals. As horrible as their actions are it is what is expected of them., but from us I would expect more.

Nice post, mammasan

gue_barium

The doctors in Nassiriya say they provided the best treatment they could for Lynch in the midst of war. She was assigned the only specialist bed in the hospital, and one of only two nurses on the floor. "I was like a mother to her and she was like a daughter,"says Khalida Shinah.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story/0,2763,956255,00.html

inmytree

NCfan wrote:

And then there are others... Look at these journalist who have been captured and killed in Iraq. They weren't even soldiers. What do you have to say about that?

http://www.rsf.org/special_iraq_en.php3

I say they should not have been in Irak, and nor should the US...

baraka

Another interesting article written by a former Vietnam MI agent and FBI hostage negotiator................

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7516880/

JaneNY

I'm an atheist, but I do subscribe to the christian principle: 'Do unto others as you would have them to do unto you'. That statement says nothing about what others did first. What we do says something about us.

Ahnimus

NCfan wrote:

If this guy didn't want to be tortured, he should have thought about that before trying to go kill a bunch of women and children. So there is a hypothetical.

I'm just wondering why you excluded men. Is it that women are more valuable, or are men more likely to survive an explosion, or what?

Secondly, is it ok to torture the man's wife or children to find out who he is working for?

B nice

JaneNY wrote:

I'm an atheist, but I do subscribe to the christian principle: 'Do unto others as you would have them to do unto you'. That statement says nothing about what others did first. What we do says something about us.

sodomy?

abu ghraib

do unto others

btw ...
if you blame Marilyn manson for columbine...you must blame toby keith for abu ghraib
"we'll put a dick in your ass..it's the american way..."
or something

Eliot Rosewater

This isn't a bad thread, it's just titled like shit. There is no gray area, it's wrong, wrong, wrong. I'd even argue that if anything US torture is worse because we are the self-proclaimed leaders of the world. Lead by example. Cheney, Bush, all you other cocksuckers that endorse torture - Lead by example.

blackredyellow

NCfan wrote:

I'm NOT trying to condone it. Pay attention to my arguement. It pisses me off that 90% of our soldiers who are captured are either tortured or killed, and that get's about 10% of the media's attention. On the other hand, about 10% of enemy soldiers get tortured by the US, but that gets 90% of the media's attention. Do you get it????

and 73.5% of statistics are made up.

JaneNY

B nice wrote:

sodomy?

abu ghraib

do unto others

btw ...
if you blame Marilyn manson for columbine...you must blame toby keith for abu ghraib
"we'll put a dick in your ass..it's the american way..."
or something

Not sure you got what I was saying - I certainly do not blame Manson for Columbine or Toby Keith for Abu Ghraib - they are artists expressing points of view, but back to the main point: well, here's Ed's way of putting it: "If you hate something, don't you do it too". Basically treat others the way you would LIKE to be treated (not how you WERE treated). ie. just because others torture doesn't mean we should.

p.s. based on your post about Bush, I think we're on the same side actually.

gue_barium

don't gimme no wrote:

This isn't a bad thread, it's just titled like shit. There is no gray area, it's wrong, wrong, wrong. I'd even argue that if anything US torture is worse because we are the self-proclaimed leaders of the world. Lead by example. Cheney, Bush, all you other cocksuckers that endorse torture - Lead by example.

Yeah, it is a badly titled thread. The poster also deflects torture, in his/her post, as something that those Middle Easterners do, especially Iraqi's, as if.... This sadism taking place today spans the globe, and it isn't necessary to try to place the blame on a geographic location.

Vedderlution_Baby

So what the fuck are we fighting for exactly? Is it oil. You say no. It is old grudges. You say no. Is it to keep our way of life. You say yes. Okay. So let me ask you a question. Each day, with each day you get closer to the level of the enemy, how much longer can you wallow in the shit without becoming a fucking pig? Fighting them because we're better than them. Cause we been fucking enlightened. Well fuck that. You can keep your fucking enlightenment. Let me stay in the fucking dark where I can see the difference between saying you're one thing while you partake in the actions of your enemy.



I'm a man because I can stand.

He's a pig because he crawls in his own waste.

I'm a man, though I wallow in my own waste.

He's a pig because he eats his own waste.

I'm a man because...oink...oink...oink.

I smell fucking bacon.

my2hands

NCfan wrote:

However, there are certain times when torturing the shit out of somebody is the way to go.

what are we becoming?

gue_barium

my2hands wrote:

what are we becoming?

This guy is a loner. I can relate to him to a certain extent, but when he goes that route in his posts, I lose that kinship.
In a way, I still understand it.
I was a marine afterall. During my stint it wouldn't have been uncommon for me to hear this kind of talk on any given day, and not given it a second thought.

Jeanie

I don't support torture in any circumstance, by anybody.

The only thing that I can do to stop it in reality is to never perpertrate it myself.

Collin

I should subscribe to that philosophy. Don't bitch if I punch you in the face, there are people who kill other people. Don't be mad if I steal your $100, there are people who steal millions...

A get out of jail free card everytime...