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For those that Bitch about U.S. torture

binauralsoundsbinauralsounds Posts: 1,357
edited May 2007 in A Moving Train
Here's somethin for ya. Makes our torture look like a fuckin tea party:

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/years/2007/0524072torture1.html
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  • El_KabongEl_Kabong Posts: 4,141
    so you're saying we're just not as bad as al qaeda?

    2 wrongs don't make a right
    standin above the crowd
    he had a voice that was strong and loud and
    i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
    eager to identify with
    someone above the crowd
    someone who seemed to feel the same
    someone prepared to lead the way
  • mammasanmammasan Posts: 5,656
    binauralsounds wrote:
    Here's somethin for ya. Makes our torture look like a fuckin tea party:

    http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/years/2007/0524072torture1.html

    Just because the methods we employ are not as severe or brutal doesn't make them right.
    "When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
  • NCfanNCfan Posts: 945
    binauralsounds wrote:
    Here's somethin for ya. Makes our torture look like a fuckin tea party:

    http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/years/2007/0524072torture1.html

    How dare we flush a Koran down the toilet! Seriously though, the U.S. should not condone torture in 99% of all cases. We should treat our prisoners humanely.

    However, there are certain times when torturing the shit out of somebody is the way to go. For instance, we catch a man trying to blow himself up in a shopping mall, etc, but his explosive belt malfunctions. We should torture the absolute shit out of that fucker if he doesn't want to talk, as to find out if he is working with anybody else. I say sure, torture is a terrible thing, but so is blowing up innocent civillians. If this guy didn't want to be tortured, he should have thought about that before trying to go kill a bunch of women and children. So there is a hypothetical.
  • NCfanNCfan Posts: 945
    mammasan wrote:
    Just because the methods we employ are not as severe or brutal doesn't make them right.

    I'm not trying to speak for Binaural, but it pisses me off when Abu Ghraib and Guantanamo are shoved down our throats, while our enemies do shit like this. On the whole, the U.S. does not torture its prisoners. Sure, there are probably some that get tortured, but there are reasons for it - we just don't snatch random prisoners and torture them and publicize it as to demoralize our enemies or spread fear. We do it to gather intel, and we try to keep it behind closed doors.

    Look, I don't think torture is right by no means - but I think it is justified in certain cases - a SMALL amount of cases. It's wrong to kill, but if somebody was going to murder my family, I would blow their head off to save my families lives - ya know??? That's where I'm coming from.

    Seriously, with the media we have - most around the world would say that the US is more evil than the religious fanatics we are fighting.... that is why pisses me off with respect to torture!
  • mammasanmammasan Posts: 5,656
    NCfan wrote:
    I'm not trying to speak for Binaural, but it pisses me off when Abu Ghraib and Guantanamo are shoved down our throats, while our enemies do shit like this. On the whole, the U.S. does not torture its prisoners. Sure, there are probably some that get tortured, but there are reasons for it - we just don't snatch random prisoners and torture them and publicize it as to demoralize our enemies or spread fear. We do it to gather intel, and we try to keep it behind closed doors.

    Look, I don't think torture is right by no means - but I think it is justified in certain cases - a SMALL amount of cases. It's wrong to kill, but if somebody was going to murder my family, I would blow their head off to save my families lives - ya know??? That's where I'm coming from.

    Seriously, with the media we have - most around the world would say that the US is more evil than the religious fanatics we are fighting.... that is why pisses me off with respect to torture!

    Yes our enemies torture and behead prisoners but are enemies are also savages. We should never compare or justify our actions based on what our enemies do. Even if we tortured one prisoner or a thousand prisoners it is still wrong. We are a civilized nation not an organization of backward thinking savages and the moment we decided that torture was acceptable we loose what is most important to us and what seperates us from jihadist, our humanity.
    "When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
  • MrBrianMrBrian Posts: 2,672
    binauralsounds wrote:
    Here's somethin for ya. Makes our torture look like a fuckin tea party:

    http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/years/2007/0524072torture1.html

    Have you seen the american handbook of torture, yeah know, for a good comparision of which tea party is the best?
    ---

    From what we know, america locks up people without trial. people have died in the hands of the americans while detained (what, from soft back rubs you think?) and also sends prisoners to places that do al quieda style torture.

    oooo yes, tea party.
  • NCfanNCfan Posts: 945
    MrBrian wrote:
    Have you seen the american handbook of torture, yeah know, for a good comparision of which tea party is the best?
    ---

    From what we know, america locks up people without trial. people have died in the hands of the americans while detained (what, from soft back rubs you think?) and also sends prisoners to places that do al quieda style torture.

    oooo yes, tea party.

    If you were fighting in Iraq and were captured, what chances (%) do you think you would stand of being tortured by the other side?

    1. An average run-of-the-mill Jihadist in Iraq
    2. An average run-of-the-mill solider in the US Army
  • RainDogRainDog Posts: 1,824
    It's O.K. to shoot someone in the foot, because shooting them in the knee is worse.

    It's O.K. to shoot someone in the knee, because shooting them in the stomach is worse.

    It's O.K. to shoot someone in the stomach, because shooting them in the groin is worse.

    It's O.K. to shoot someone in the groin, because shooting them in the head is worse.

    It's O.K. to shoot someone in the head, because shooting two people in the head is worse.
  • B niceB nice Posts: 182
    i may be bad...but let me tell you who is worse

    does that make me good ?

    thank god(sic) for dahmer
    life has nothing to do with killing time
    Bring it on cause I'm no victim

    b nice loves pearl jam like ed vedder loves america
  • B niceB nice Posts: 182
    NCfan wrote:
    If you were fighting in Iraq and were captured, what chances (%) do you think you would stand of being tortured by the other side?

    1. An average run-of-the-mill Jihadist in Iraq
    2. An average run-of-the-mill solider in the US Army


    their are plenty of people in iraq who have been "captured" and have spoke about how well they were treated

    look it up
    life has nothing to do with killing time
    Bring it on cause I'm no victim

    b nice loves pearl jam like ed vedder loves america
  • gue_bariumgue_barium Posts: 5,515
    NCfan wrote:
    If you were fighting in Iraq and were captured, what chances (%) do you think you would stand of being tortured by the other side?

    1. An average run-of-the-mill Jihadist in Iraq
    2. An average run-of-the-mill solider in the US Army

    In both Iraq wars, wounded and captured US soldiers have been given the best of medical treatment from their Iraqi captors. That's a fact.
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  • NCfanNCfan Posts: 945
    gue_barium wrote:
    In both Iraq wars, wounded and captured US soldiers have been given the best of medical treatment from their Iraqi captors. That's a fact.
    Do you watch the news??? 3 US soldiers were captured by Al Qaeda two weeks ago. They just found one of them dead in the Euphrates river yesterday. So much for you facts, huh?
  • NCfanNCfan Posts: 945
    B nice wrote:
    their are plenty of people in iraq who have been "captured" and have spoke about how well they were treated

    look it up

    And then there are others... Look at these journalist who have been captured and killed in Iraq. They weren't even soldiers. What do you have to say about that?

    http://www.rsf.org/special_iraq_en.php3
  • MrBrianMrBrian Posts: 2,672
    NCfan wrote:
    If you were fighting in Iraq and were captured, what chances (%) do you think you would stand of being tortured by the other side?

    1. An average run-of-the-mill Jihadist in Iraq
    2. An average run-of-the-mill solider in the US Army

    I would'nt go to iraq to fight. I would not put myself in that position.
    ---

    And living in Florida I probably have a greater chance of being hurt by your avg run of the mill red neck than by the avg run of the mill muslim. (in the US)
    if that sorta answers your question.
    --
  • B niceB nice Posts: 182
    NCfan wrote:
    Do you watch the news??? 3 US soldiers were captured by Al Qaeda two weeks ago. They just found one of them dead in the Euphrates river yesterday. So much for you facts, huh?


    it is called "a war"

    they believe they were captured

    falluja pinatas (sung to the tune of that song from the lion king...the one about farting)

    http://www.blackmarketgold.com/pix/falluja_bridge.jpg
    life has nothing to do with killing time
    Bring it on cause I'm no victim

    b nice loves pearl jam like ed vedder loves america
  • NCfanNCfan Posts: 945
    RainDog wrote:
    It's O.K. to shoot someone in the foot, because shooting them in the knee is worse.

    It's O.K. to shoot someone in the knee, because shooting them in the stomach is worse.

    It's O.K. to shoot someone in the stomach, because shooting them in the groin is worse.

    It's O.K. to shoot someone in the groin, because shooting them in the head is worse.

    It's O.K. to shoot someone in the head, because shooting two people in the head is worse.

    I'm NOT trying to condone it. Pay attention to my arguement. It pisses me off that 90% of our soldiers who are captured are either tortured or killed, and that get's about 10% of the media's attention. On the other hand, about 10% of enemy soldiers get tortured by the US, but that gets 90% of the media's attention. Do you get it????
  • NCfanNCfan Posts: 945
    B nice wrote:
    it is called "a war"

    they believe they were captured

    falluja pinatas (sung to the tune of that song from the lion king...the one about farting)

    http://www.blackmarketgold.com/pix/falluja_bridge.jpg

    No, Al Qaeda claimed responsiblilty for the capture.
  • gue_bariumgue_barium Posts: 5,515
    NCfan wrote:
    Do you watch the news??? 3 US soldiers were captured by Al Qaeda two weeks ago. They just found one of them dead in the Euphrates river yesterday. So much for you facts, huh?

    Fuel your own hatred. I don't give a fuck. If you want to be an armchair warrior for the rest of your life posting on message boards the BS you copy from other writer's articles while playing them off as your own thoughts, be my guest. You're as thought-provoking as dandruff, and not worth any more of time. Good day.
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  • MrBrianMrBrian Posts: 2,672
    NCfan wrote:
    I'm NOT trying to condone it. Pay attention to my arguement. It pisses me off that 90% of our soldiers who are captured are either tortured or killed, and that get's about 10% of the media's attention. On the other hand, about 10% of enemy soldiers get tortured by the US, but that gets 90% of the media's attention. Do you get it????

    Yea, US troops get captured while invading and raping someone elses land. it's not like these "jihadist" are running around the US grabbing american soldiers and running blades across their necks.
  • NCfanNCfan Posts: 945
    gue_barium wrote:
    Fuel your own hatred. I don't give a fuck. If you want to be an armchair warrior for the rest of your life posting on message boards the BS you copy from other writer's articles while playing them off as your own thoughts, be my guest. You're as thought-provoking as dandruff, and not worth any more of time. Good day.

    You've posted 2,558 times in (12.89 posts per day) in 7 months and you want to call ME an armchair general, as if you're less passionate about your on beliefs? Speaking of your time, again 2,559 posts in 7 months...
  • gue_bariumgue_barium Posts: 5,515
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  • mammasanmammasan Posts: 5,656
    NCfan wrote:
    I'm NOT trying to condone it. Pay attention to my arguement. It pisses me off that 90% of our soldiers who are captured are either tortured or killed, and that get's about 10% of the media's attention. On the other hand, about 10% of enemy soldiers get tortured by the US, but that gets 90% of the media's attention. Do you get it????


    Maybe more of the focus is placed on our actions because we are supposed to be better that the terrorist. We are not supposed to act as they act and do as they do. Like I stated early the jihadist are savage animals. As horrible as their actions are it is what is expected of them., but from us I would expect more.
    "When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
  • barakabaraka Posts: 1,268
    An interesting article written on the subject:
    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A2302-2005Jan11.html


    I'm reminded of a line in Reservoir Dogs:

    Nice Guy Eddie: "If you fucking beat this prick long enough, he'll tell you he started the goddamn Chicago fire, now that don't necessarily make it fucking so!"
    The greatest obstacle to discovery is not ignorance,
    but the illusion of knowledge.
    ~Daniel Boorstin

    Only a life lived for others is worth living.
    ~Albert Einstein
  • RainDogRainDog Posts: 1,824
    NCfan wrote:
    I'm NOT trying to condone it. Pay attention to my arguement. It pisses me off that 90% of our soldiers who are captured are either tortured or killed, and that get's about 10% of the media's attention. On the other hand, about 10% of enemy soldiers get tortured or killed by the US, but that gets 90% of the media's attention. Do you get it????
    You forgot a bit, there - kinda like that media you're complaining about.

    But, to your point, the reason our soldiers get more attention when they commit crimes is because they are our soldiers. They're the only ones we can do anything about.

    Well, not exactly, I guess. Had we never invaded Iraq, we could then have pre-emptively stopped the enemy from capturing, torturing, and killing our soldiers. We could also pre-emptively stop this from happening to our soldiers in the future if we, say, leave Iraq. 'Nother thread, though.
  • barakabaraka Posts: 1,268
    mammasan wrote:
    Maybe more of the focus is placed on our actions because we are supposed to be better that the terrorist. We are not supposed to act as they act and do as they do. Like I stated early the jihadist are savage animals. As horrible as their actions are it is what is expected of them., but from us I would expect more.

    Nice post, mammasan
    The greatest obstacle to discovery is not ignorance,
    but the illusion of knowledge.
    ~Daniel Boorstin

    Only a life lived for others is worth living.
    ~Albert Einstein
  • gue_bariumgue_barium Posts: 5,515
    The doctors in Nassiriya say they provided the best treatment they could for Lynch in the midst of war. She was assigned the only specialist bed in the hospital, and one of only two nurses on the floor. "I was like a mother to her and she was like a daughter,"says Khalida Shinah.

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story/0,2763,956255,00.html
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  • inmytreeinmytree Posts: 4,741
    NCfan wrote:
    And then there are others... Look at these journalist who have been captured and killed in Iraq. They weren't even soldiers. What do you have to say about that?

    http://www.rsf.org/special_iraq_en.php3


    I say they should not have been in Irak, and nor should the US...
  • barakabaraka Posts: 1,268
    Another interesting article written by a former Vietnam MI agent and FBI hostage negotiator................

    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7516880/
    The greatest obstacle to discovery is not ignorance,
    but the illusion of knowledge.
    ~Daniel Boorstin

    Only a life lived for others is worth living.
    ~Albert Einstein
  • JaneNYJaneNY Posts: 4,438
    I'm an atheist, but I do subscribe to the christian principle: 'Do unto others as you would have them to do unto you'. That statement says nothing about what others did first. What we do says something about us.
    R.i.p. Rigoberto Alpizar.
    R.i.p. My Dad - May 28, 2007
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  • AhnimusAhnimus Posts: 10,560
    NCfan wrote:
    If this guy didn't want to be tortured, he should have thought about that before trying to go kill a bunch of women and children. So there is a hypothetical.

    I'm just wondering why you excluded men. Is it that women are more valuable, or are men more likely to survive an explosion, or what?

    Secondly, is it ok to torture the man's wife or children to find out who he is working for?
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
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