Holy Repeats Batman!
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Just when I was starting to kinda sorta buy into the whole "Pearl Jam is a modern day Grateful Dead" argument, they play 2 nights at MSG and play the following on both nights:
Why Go
All Night
Corduroy
Given to Fly
Who You Are
Even Flow
Do The Evolution
W.M.A.
No More
I Believe In Miracles
Alive
Not knocking the band or the gigs at all. I had a freakin' blast and they certainly mix it up way more than just about anyone else I've ever seen, but I think the whole Dead comparison is, well, dead. I realize there is more to that analogy then just setlist variety, but that was always the crux of the argument for me.
Oh, well, still an epic couple nights.
Hope it's less than 5 years before they come back!
Why Go
All Night
Corduroy
Given to Fly
Who You Are
Even Flow
Do The Evolution
W.M.A.
No More
I Believe In Miracles
Alive
Not knocking the band or the gigs at all. I had a freakin' blast and they certainly mix it up way more than just about anyone else I've ever seen, but I think the whole Dead comparison is, well, dead. I realize there is more to that analogy then just setlist variety, but that was always the crux of the argument for me.
Oh, well, still an epic couple nights.
Hope it's less than 5 years before they come back!
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That being said- it seemed like they felt they had to do the 3 songs with the crew singers. And No More... bleh. That's four right there that could have been different.
edit: and JC(?) Ramone could have learned Sonic Reducer or SOMETHING different...
well, they try to cater to the people who go to multiple shows but they also know that some people might be only in town for one show. those people deserve to see Who You Are just like everyone else. personally, I didn't need four straight performances of "No More," but who cares?
and I'll take ten billion Do the Evolutions thank you very much.
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yes, good point I forgot to mention. not everyone goes to both shows. In fact, it's probably a small percentage
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so cute they are
But for the people who are here for one show, why do you need to repeat Why Go and Alive? Play Black and Jeremy. They had plenty of hits and early album stuff that could have been substituted for the casual fan.
but with that said, hey our guys are not the grateful dead, I admit during the show last night when Ed introduced the backup singers, I figured oh well I guess we are getting Allnight, WMA, and Who you are, again. But it was good to hear, again, it was just a bit predictable. But the miracles thing, well that kinda surprised me, I thought for sure it was going to be something different, I kept on thinking sonic reducer, even though I believe that was originally done by the dead kennedys . . . oh well great shows, I have three more to go!
2000: Saratoga, Mansfield I & II; 2003: West Palm, Tampa, Mansfield I & II & III; 2004: Boston I & II; 2005: Montreal; 2006: Albany, Hartford, Boston I & II, East Rutherford; 2007: Lolla
2008: Tampa, MSG I & II, Hartford, Mansfield I & II; 2009: Chicago I & II, Philly I, III & IV; 2010: Cleveland, Buffalo, Hartford, Boston & MSG II.
Granted DMB may play less songs with more jamming, but I THINK PJ has a bigger selection. I honestly don't know why they did it (except for the 4 mentioned earlier).
That being said, I was at MSG I and it was fucking awesome, and was kicking myself for not doing EVERYTHING I could to get to MSG II. This isn't complaining, it's just discussion.
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nope- Sonic Reducer was The Dead Boys
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yeah but I see what he means. I wouldn't have been surprised to see them cover it with CJ. They've covered it with the Buzzcocks dude before.
Pearl Jam bootlegs:
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yup, good call, my bad . . .
2000: Saratoga, Mansfield I & II; 2003: West Palm, Tampa, Mansfield I & II & III; 2004: Boston I & II; 2005: Montreal; 2006: Albany, Hartford, Boston I & II, East Rutherford; 2007: Lolla
2008: Tampa, MSG I & II, Hartford, Mansfield I & II; 2009: Chicago I & II, Philly I, III & IV; 2010: Cleveland, Buffalo, Hartford, Boston & MSG II.
They are simply not an improvisational band.
Oh, they can jam out hard and sometimes long within a given structure, nobody can deny that. But they regurgitate meat and potatoes, night after night. Extremely good meat and potatoes, but whimsical creativity, exploration, intuitive ingenuity, variations of tempo, song structure, rhythmic play, or breaking any form of new ground does not happen 'in the moment.' Pearl Jam is one of the least 'jammy' bands going, especially nowadays. :eek:
For sure the Dead juggled sets around but on any given run you'd hear many of the same things over the course of two or at least three nights: Tennessee Jed, Deal, Loser, Bertha, Looks Like Rain, Sugaree ... dozens of first set examples ... all of Bobby's cowboy songs ... these things fell into definite slots, especially first and early second sets. People often overlook this.
Yet it's the truth that to often even casual listeners they wouldn't play the songs exactly the same way twice, even on back-to-back nights. There was always some variation in how they approached a song, sometimes subtle, sometimes not so. That was their calling card, their genius. With PJ, when you hear the first notes of any given song you know exactly how it's going to play out - Mike's featured solos notwithstanding [but that's really beside the point.]
Not saying it's a bad thing; I love PJ's emotional range, musicianship, and passionate fire, but in a fundamental musical sense PJ could not be further from the Grateful Dead. The comparisons never should have started.
In 2003, if I remember correctly, they only repeated 5 songs. I might be wrong but I am almost positive it wasn't anywhere close to 11.
And it is not a small percentage of people that go to both shows. Look at this board. I bet it's a pretty big percentage. Maybe a small percentage that are able to score 10C seats for both. But I bet it's at least 1/3 of that crowd that goes to both shows. At least.
What's with the backup singers? I mean, I know what's with them. I read the posts... I just think backup singers are cheesy. Pearl Jam already added a keyboard player. That's enough in the "predictable added band members" category, thanks. No backup singers. No trumpet players. No Go Go dancers. The other 5 guys in the band can't sing backup good enough?
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so cute they are
By the early 80s you never heard those songs repeated in two or even three night stands. They played some similar stuff ( like Bob's Cowboy or slide songs ) but not repeats like you are suggesting and certainly not Garcia songs.
They also occasionally had special guests. I remember when Steve Stills showed up at the Meadowlands Arena in 1983. He played Black Queen the first night.....and then Love the One Your With the second night. That was a great moment.
what about the shows where they have played 2 nights someplace in the past, and didnt repeat more than 3 or 4 songs?
damn people. it could be much worse.
this is not even a "proper" tour. its just some dates they did b4 they go back into the studio.
oh well, ya cant please everyone all the time i guess.
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people who are complaining about 11 repeated songs at MSG need to stop going to multiple shows.
Pearl Jam bootlegs:
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that means I get floor again and closer
yay!
Mihi cura futuri.
The elements they speak to me.
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so cute they are
Yea I agree. I heard almost every song they did at MSG during either night 1 or 2 at Camden.
To tell ya the truth it bummed my first MSG experience out.
That and the dirt weed the guy next to me gsve me to puff on.
Nasty brown crap. I never ever smoke anymore, but if I do it better be the dank, I did puff on the kind bud at the train station
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I mentioned the filming/DVD thing in a previous thread, and I really think this is the case. I get the feeling the band wasn't thrilled with a few of the performances and replayed songs on night 2 to compile a new (MSG) DVD properly. Throughout the night, I was trying to figure out if they were wearing the same clothes also. Great minds think alike.
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No kidding. Some people forget that not everyone is so obsessive about Pearl Jam that they go to every show within 100 miles.
Some people only have tickets to one show, and deserve to see some hits.
Also, with that said, The Grateful Dead were able to mix up their setlist more than anyone else for 2 reasons:
1. They had ZERO hits. Every song was on an equal level.
2. They suck and everyone was on drugs. So it didn't matter what they played.
add do the evolution to that list. It's the only song played in each of my 20 shows. Even Flow is 19-20
Find shapes in the clouds.
Hear the murmur of the wind
and touch the cool water.
Walk softly,
we are intruders,
tolerated briefly
In an infinite universe.
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But this is New York City where in 03 we had over 8,000+ fan club members, so im sure the band knows that a lot of fans not only from ny but from all over the world just dont come for just one show they come for both nights and the majority would wanna hear something different then the previous night.