Israel gives warning to Russia

MrBrianMrBrian Posts: 2,672
edited September 2008 in A Moving Train
Do not sell arms to Iran and Syria because it is “destabilizing and dangerous for Israel"

The Russian response?...they are being sold as a defensive measure and that the systems sold are designed to shoot down aircraft and missiles.

Now why would Israel be so upset about this? I mean they have nothing to worry about unless they enter syrian or Iranian airspace.
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  • NevermindNevermind Posts: 1,006
    Israel is a joke. Iran having arms to protect itself is a danger to Israel? They have plans to attack?
  • 100 Pacer100 Pacer Toronto, ON Posts: 9,049
    Nevermind wrote:
    Israel is a joke. Iran having arms to protect itself is a danger to Israel? They have plans to attack?

    admirer of Mengele's?
    To quote the 10C from Newsletter #8: "Please understand we have a lot of members and it is very hard to please everybody. If you are one of those unhappy people...please call 1-900-IDN-TCAR."

    "Me knowing the truth, I can not concur."

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  • NevermindNevermind Posts: 1,006
    100 Pacer wrote:
    admirer of Mengele's?
    Huge admirer.
  • 100 Pacer100 Pacer Toronto, ON Posts: 9,049
    Nevermind wrote:
    Huge admirer.

    :yawn:
    To quote the 10C from Newsletter #8: "Please understand we have a lot of members and it is very hard to please everybody. If you are one of those unhappy people...please call 1-900-IDN-TCAR."

    "Me knowing the truth, I can not concur."

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  • NevermindNevermind Posts: 1,006
    100 Pacer wrote:
    :yawn:
    Ask a stupid question and get a stupid response.
  • 100 Pacer100 Pacer Toronto, ON Posts: 9,049
    Nevermind wrote:
    Ask a stupid question and get a stupid response.

    brilliant! there's your new signature quote, after your Mengele tribute,...
    To quote the 10C from Newsletter #8: "Please understand we have a lot of members and it is very hard to please everybody. If you are one of those unhappy people...please call 1-900-IDN-TCAR."

    "Me knowing the truth, I can not concur."

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  • NevermindNevermind Posts: 1,006
    100 Pacer wrote:
    brilliant! there's your new signature quote, after your Mengele tribute,...
    Its not a tribute. Read what it says. Its as true today as it was then.
  • MattyJoeMattyJoe Posts: 1,424
    Nevermind wrote:
    Israel is a joke. Iran having arms to protect itself is a danger to Israel? They have plans to attack?

    Can't blame Israel, considering Iran wants to blow them off the map.
    I pledge to you a government that will not only work well, but wisely, its ability to act tempered by prudence, and its willingness to do good, balanced by the knowledge that government is never more dangerous than when our desire to have it help us blinds us to its great power to harm us.
    -Reagan
  • NevermindNevermind Posts: 1,006
    MattyJoe wrote:
    Can't blame Israel, considering Iran wants to blow them off the map.
    Find the video where they say that.
  • 100 Pacer100 Pacer Toronto, ON Posts: 9,049
    Nevermind wrote:
    Find the video where they say that.

    http://www.voanews.com/uspolicy/archive/2005-11/2005-11-04-voa1.cfm

    Iran Threatens Israel (MP3) audio clip - http://www.voanews.com/mediaassets/uspolicy/2005_11/Audio/mp3/01730.mp3
    Iran Threatens Israel (Real Player) audio clip - http://www.voanews.com/mediaassets/uspolicy/2005_11/Audio/ra/01730.ra
    Listen to Iran Threatens Israel (Real Player) audio clip - http://www.voanews.com/uspolicy/figleaf/ramfilegenerate.cfm?filepath=http%3A%2F%2Fwww%2Evoanews%2Ecom%2Fmediaassets%2Fuspolicy%2F2005%5F11%2FAudio%2Fra%2F01730%2Era

    Transcript

    Host: At a conference in Tehran, Iranian president, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad declared that Israel, "must be wiped off the map." Countries that recognize the Jewish state, he said, will "burn in the fire of the Islamic nation's fury." (November '05)
    To quote the 10C from Newsletter #8: "Please understand we have a lot of members and it is very hard to please everybody. If you are one of those unhappy people...please call 1-900-IDN-TCAR."

    "Me knowing the truth, I can not concur."

    1996: Toronto - 1998: Chicago, Montreal, Barrie - 2000: Montreal, Toronto - 2002: Seattle X2 (Key Arena) - 2003: Cleveland, Buffalo, Toronto, Montreal, Seattle (Benaroya Hall) - 2004: Reading, Toledo, Grand Rapids - 2005: Kitchener, London, Hamilton, Montreal, Ottawa, Toronto, Quebec City - 2006: Toronto X2, Albany, Hartford, Grand Rapids, Cleveland - 2007: Chicago (Vic Theatre) - 2008: NYC X2, Hartford, Mansfield X2 - 2009: Toronto, Chicago X2, Seattle X2, Philadelphia X4 - 2010: Columbus, Noblesville, Cleveland, Buffalo, Hartford - 2011: Montreal, Toronto X2, Ottawa, Hamilton - 2012: Missoula - 2013: London, Chicago, Buffalo, Hartford - 2014: Detroit, Moline - 2015: NYC (Global Citizen Festival) - 2016: Greenville, Toronto X2, Chicago 1 - 2017: Brooklyn (RRHOF Induction) - 2018: Chicago 1, Boston 1 - 2022: Fresno, Ottawa, Hamilton, Toronto, NYC, Camden - 2023: St. Paul X2, Austin X2 - 2024: Vancouver X2, Portland, Sacramento, Missoula, Noblesville, Philadelphia X2, Baltimore - 2025: Hollywood X2, Nashville X2, Pittsburgh X2
  • NevermindNevermind Posts: 1,006
    100 Pacer wrote:
    http://www.voanews.com/uspolicy/archive/2005-11/2005-11-04-voa1.cfm

    Iran Threatens Israel (MP3) audio clip - http://www.voanews.com/mediaassets/uspolicy/2005_11/Audio/mp3/01730.mp3
    Iran Threatens Israel (Real Player) audio clip - http://www.voanews.com/mediaassets/uspolicy/2005_11/Audio/ra/01730.ra
    Listen to Iran Threatens Israel (Real Player) audio clip - http://www.voanews.com/uspolicy/figleaf/ramfilegenerate.cfm?filepath=http%3A%2F%2Fwww%2Evoanews%2Ecom%2Fmediaassets%2Fuspolicy%2F2005%5F11%2FAudio%2Fra%2F01730%2Era

    Transcript
    Host: At a conference in Tehran, Iranian president, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad declared that Israel, "must be wiped off the map." Countries that recognize the Jewish state, he said, will "burn in the fire of the Islamic nation's fury." (November '05)
    Awful small quote. Have the whole thing? Your links dont work.
  • 100 Pacer100 Pacer Toronto, ON Posts: 9,049
    Nevermind wrote:
    Awful small quote.

    speaks volumes,...
    To quote the 10C from Newsletter #8: "Please understand we have a lot of members and it is very hard to please everybody. If you are one of those unhappy people...please call 1-900-IDN-TCAR."

    "Me knowing the truth, I can not concur."

    1996: Toronto - 1998: Chicago, Montreal, Barrie - 2000: Montreal, Toronto - 2002: Seattle X2 (Key Arena) - 2003: Cleveland, Buffalo, Toronto, Montreal, Seattle (Benaroya Hall) - 2004: Reading, Toledo, Grand Rapids - 2005: Kitchener, London, Hamilton, Montreal, Ottawa, Toronto, Quebec City - 2006: Toronto X2, Albany, Hartford, Grand Rapids, Cleveland - 2007: Chicago (Vic Theatre) - 2008: NYC X2, Hartford, Mansfield X2 - 2009: Toronto, Chicago X2, Seattle X2, Philadelphia X4 - 2010: Columbus, Noblesville, Cleveland, Buffalo, Hartford - 2011: Montreal, Toronto X2, Ottawa, Hamilton - 2012: Missoula - 2013: London, Chicago, Buffalo, Hartford - 2014: Detroit, Moline - 2015: NYC (Global Citizen Festival) - 2016: Greenville, Toronto X2, Chicago 1 - 2017: Brooklyn (RRHOF Induction) - 2018: Chicago 1, Boston 1 - 2022: Fresno, Ottawa, Hamilton, Toronto, NYC, Camden - 2023: St. Paul X2, Austin X2 - 2024: Vancouver X2, Portland, Sacramento, Missoula, Noblesville, Philadelphia X2, Baltimore - 2025: Hollywood X2, Nashville X2, Pittsburgh X2
  • NevermindNevermind Posts: 1,006
    100 Pacer wrote:
    Host: At a conference in Tehran, Iranian president, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad declared that Israel, "must be wiped off the map." Countries that recognize the Jewish state, he said, will "burn in the fire of the Islamic nation's fury." (November '05)
    Thats a quote from Ayatollah Khomeini by the way.
  • Nevermind wrote:
    Awful small quote. Have the whole thing? Your links dont work.
    Nevermind.
    BORGATA>VIC
  • 100 Pacer100 Pacer Toronto, ON Posts: 9,049
    Nevermind wrote:
    Thats a quote from Ayatollah Khomeini by the way.

    that may very well be, but the quote has been documented, verified, and recognized as having come from the mouth of one Mahmoud Ahmadinejad,...
    To quote the 10C from Newsletter #8: "Please understand we have a lot of members and it is very hard to please everybody. If you are one of those unhappy people...please call 1-900-IDN-TCAR."

    "Me knowing the truth, I can not concur."

    1996: Toronto - 1998: Chicago, Montreal, Barrie - 2000: Montreal, Toronto - 2002: Seattle X2 (Key Arena) - 2003: Cleveland, Buffalo, Toronto, Montreal, Seattle (Benaroya Hall) - 2004: Reading, Toledo, Grand Rapids - 2005: Kitchener, London, Hamilton, Montreal, Ottawa, Toronto, Quebec City - 2006: Toronto X2, Albany, Hartford, Grand Rapids, Cleveland - 2007: Chicago (Vic Theatre) - 2008: NYC X2, Hartford, Mansfield X2 - 2009: Toronto, Chicago X2, Seattle X2, Philadelphia X4 - 2010: Columbus, Noblesville, Cleveland, Buffalo, Hartford - 2011: Montreal, Toronto X2, Ottawa, Hamilton - 2012: Missoula - 2013: London, Chicago, Buffalo, Hartford - 2014: Detroit, Moline - 2015: NYC (Global Citizen Festival) - 2016: Greenville, Toronto X2, Chicago 1 - 2017: Brooklyn (RRHOF Induction) - 2018: Chicago 1, Boston 1 - 2022: Fresno, Ottawa, Hamilton, Toronto, NYC, Camden - 2023: St. Paul X2, Austin X2 - 2024: Vancouver X2, Portland, Sacramento, Missoula, Noblesville, Philadelphia X2, Baltimore - 2025: Hollywood X2, Nashville X2, Pittsburgh X2
  • 100 Pacer100 Pacer Toronto, ON Posts: 9,049
    Nevermind.

    :D
    To quote the 10C from Newsletter #8: "Please understand we have a lot of members and it is very hard to please everybody. If you are one of those unhappy people...please call 1-900-IDN-TCAR."

    "Me knowing the truth, I can not concur."

    1996: Toronto - 1998: Chicago, Montreal, Barrie - 2000: Montreal, Toronto - 2002: Seattle X2 (Key Arena) - 2003: Cleveland, Buffalo, Toronto, Montreal, Seattle (Benaroya Hall) - 2004: Reading, Toledo, Grand Rapids - 2005: Kitchener, London, Hamilton, Montreal, Ottawa, Toronto, Quebec City - 2006: Toronto X2, Albany, Hartford, Grand Rapids, Cleveland - 2007: Chicago (Vic Theatre) - 2008: NYC X2, Hartford, Mansfield X2 - 2009: Toronto, Chicago X2, Seattle X2, Philadelphia X4 - 2010: Columbus, Noblesville, Cleveland, Buffalo, Hartford - 2011: Montreal, Toronto X2, Ottawa, Hamilton - 2012: Missoula - 2013: London, Chicago, Buffalo, Hartford - 2014: Detroit, Moline - 2015: NYC (Global Citizen Festival) - 2016: Greenville, Toronto X2, Chicago 1 - 2017: Brooklyn (RRHOF Induction) - 2018: Chicago 1, Boston 1 - 2022: Fresno, Ottawa, Hamilton, Toronto, NYC, Camden - 2023: St. Paul X2, Austin X2 - 2024: Vancouver X2, Portland, Sacramento, Missoula, Noblesville, Philadelphia X2, Baltimore - 2025: Hollywood X2, Nashville X2, Pittsburgh X2
  • NevermindNevermind Posts: 1,006
    Nevermind.
    Yes, that my account name. Good job.
  • OpenOpen Posts: 792
    100 Pacer wrote:
    speaks volumes,...

    Actually it does, you are not presenting the information in the context that it was originally presented....why?
  • Nevermind wrote:
    Yes, that my account name. Good job.

    You got your quote that you asked for.
    BORGATA>VIC
  • NevermindNevermind Posts: 1,006
    "Imam ghoft een rezhim-e ishghalgar-e qods bayad az safheh-ye ruzgar mahv shavad."

    Imam (Khomeini) ghoft (said) een (this) rezhim-e (regime) ishghalgar-e (occupying) qods (Jerusalem) bayad (must) az safheh-ye ruzgar (from page of time) mahv shavad (vanish from).
  • 100 Pacer100 Pacer Toronto, ON Posts: 9,049
    Open wrote:
    Actually it does, you are not presenting the information in the context that it was originally presented....why?

    http://www.iht.com/articles/2005/10/26/news/iran.php

    quotes attributed to Mahmoud Ahmadinejad by the ISNA (Iranian Students' News Agency)
    To quote the 10C from Newsletter #8: "Please understand we have a lot of members and it is very hard to please everybody. If you are one of those unhappy people...please call 1-900-IDN-TCAR."

    "Me knowing the truth, I can not concur."

    1996: Toronto - 1998: Chicago, Montreal, Barrie - 2000: Montreal, Toronto - 2002: Seattle X2 (Key Arena) - 2003: Cleveland, Buffalo, Toronto, Montreal, Seattle (Benaroya Hall) - 2004: Reading, Toledo, Grand Rapids - 2005: Kitchener, London, Hamilton, Montreal, Ottawa, Toronto, Quebec City - 2006: Toronto X2, Albany, Hartford, Grand Rapids, Cleveland - 2007: Chicago (Vic Theatre) - 2008: NYC X2, Hartford, Mansfield X2 - 2009: Toronto, Chicago X2, Seattle X2, Philadelphia X4 - 2010: Columbus, Noblesville, Cleveland, Buffalo, Hartford - 2011: Montreal, Toronto X2, Ottawa, Hamilton - 2012: Missoula - 2013: London, Chicago, Buffalo, Hartford - 2014: Detroit, Moline - 2015: NYC (Global Citizen Festival) - 2016: Greenville, Toronto X2, Chicago 1 - 2017: Brooklyn (RRHOF Induction) - 2018: Chicago 1, Boston 1 - 2022: Fresno, Ottawa, Hamilton, Toronto, NYC, Camden - 2023: St. Paul X2, Austin X2 - 2024: Vancouver X2, Portland, Sacramento, Missoula, Noblesville, Philadelphia X2, Baltimore - 2025: Hollywood X2, Nashville X2, Pittsburgh X2
  • OpenOpen Posts: 792
    100 Pacer wrote:
    http://www.iht.com/articles/2005/10/26/news/iran.php

    quotes attributed to Mahmoud Ahmadinejad by the ISNA (Iranian Students' News Agency)


    So he's calling for regime change, as opposed the whole country to be wiped off the map?

    As a peace loving person i would think that you would want to make that clarification or do you want another iraq in iran?
  • NevermindNevermind Posts: 1,006
    100 Pacer wrote:
    http://www.iht.com/articles/2005/10/26/news/iran.php

    quotes attributed to Mahmoud Ahmadinejad by the ISNA (Iranian Students' News Agency)
    Still wrong. He said wipe the Israeli REGIME off the map.

    "Ahmadinejad did not refer to Israel the country or Israel the land mass, but the Israeli regime. This is a vastly significant distinction, as one cannot wipe a regime off the map. Ahmadinejad does not even refer to Israel by name, he instead uses the specific phrase "rezhim-e ishghalgar-e qods" (regime occupying Jerusalem)."
  • 100 Pacer100 Pacer Toronto, ON Posts: 9,049
    Open wrote:
    So he's calling for regime change, as opposed the whole country to be wiped off the map?

    As a peace loving person i would think that you would want to make that clarification or do you want another iraq in iran?

    now i wasn't there but according to the Iranian students in the audience at the "World Without Zionism" conference, Ahmadinejad was calling for Israel to be "wiped off the map." - make of that what you will, since it's clearly open to interpretation according to Nevermind.

    good night to all, up in 6 hours,...

    and, yes, bring on PEACE!
    To quote the 10C from Newsletter #8: "Please understand we have a lot of members and it is very hard to please everybody. If you are one of those unhappy people...please call 1-900-IDN-TCAR."

    "Me knowing the truth, I can not concur."

    1996: Toronto - 1998: Chicago, Montreal, Barrie - 2000: Montreal, Toronto - 2002: Seattle X2 (Key Arena) - 2003: Cleveland, Buffalo, Toronto, Montreal, Seattle (Benaroya Hall) - 2004: Reading, Toledo, Grand Rapids - 2005: Kitchener, London, Hamilton, Montreal, Ottawa, Toronto, Quebec City - 2006: Toronto X2, Albany, Hartford, Grand Rapids, Cleveland - 2007: Chicago (Vic Theatre) - 2008: NYC X2, Hartford, Mansfield X2 - 2009: Toronto, Chicago X2, Seattle X2, Philadelphia X4 - 2010: Columbus, Noblesville, Cleveland, Buffalo, Hartford - 2011: Montreal, Toronto X2, Ottawa, Hamilton - 2012: Missoula - 2013: London, Chicago, Buffalo, Hartford - 2014: Detroit, Moline - 2015: NYC (Global Citizen Festival) - 2016: Greenville, Toronto X2, Chicago 1 - 2017: Brooklyn (RRHOF Induction) - 2018: Chicago 1, Boston 1 - 2022: Fresno, Ottawa, Hamilton, Toronto, NYC, Camden - 2023: St. Paul X2, Austin X2 - 2024: Vancouver X2, Portland, Sacramento, Missoula, Noblesville, Philadelphia X2, Baltimore - 2025: Hollywood X2, Nashville X2, Pittsburgh X2
  • NevermindNevermind Posts: 1,006
    100 Pacer wrote:
    now i wasn't there but according to the Iranian students in the audience at the "World Without Zionism" conference, Ahmadinejad was calling for Israel to be "wiped off the map." - make of that what you will, since it's clearly open to interpretation according to Nevermind.

    good night to all, up in 6 hours,...

    and, yes, bring on PEACE!
    What a fuckin joke. I posted the exact quote with translation and no where does it say wipe Israel off the map. It doesnt even say Israel.
  • RiderRider Posts: 129
    He means that some Zionist-regime backing politicians told people what Ahmanawhatever supposedly said and he believed them then so now it's a fact.
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  • CosmoCosmo Posts: 12,225
    Back to Soviet.. er... Russian Arms Sales to Iran and Syria...
    How is that any different than U.S. sale of Arms to Israel? Other than we're the good guys... they're the bad guys.
    I mean, look at it objectively... Yeah, that whole 'Wipe Israel of the map' thing... but, really... who has made First Strike attacks in that region?
    Israel on Egypt in 1967
    Egypt and Syria on Israel in 1973
    Iraq on Iran in 1980
    Israel on Iraq in 1981 (Osairak Nuclear Facility)
    Iraq on Kuwait in 1990
    U.S. on Iraq in 2003
    ...
    As long as we arm Israel... they are going to get arms from Russia... or China.
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  • fuckfuck Posts: 4,069
    Cosmo wrote:
    Back to Soviet.. er... Russian Arms Sales to Iran and Syria...
    How is that any different than U.S. sale of Arms to Israel? Other than we're the good guys... they're the bad guys.
    I mean, look at it objectively... Yeah, that whole 'Wipe Israel of the map' thing... but, really... who has made First Strike attacks in that region?
    Israel on Egypt in 1967
    Egypt and Syria on Israel in 1973
    Iraq on Iran in 1980
    Israel on Iraq in 1981 (Osairak Nuclear Facility)
    Iraq on Kuwait in 1990
    U.S. on Iraq in 2003
    ...
    As long as we arm Israel... they are going to get arms from Russia... or China.
    not to mention the Israeli attacks on Lebanon, etc...

    More so than this, how is this any different than Israel arming Georgia?

    Oh, and by the way, Nevermind is correct. Ahmadinejad never called for Israel to be wiped off the map. That's a fabrication, made up by the media. In reality, Ahmadinejad was not only quoted Ayatollah Khomeini, but he was saying that the Zionist-regime will be wiped from the pages of history.

    Iran has never called for any strikes on Israel, other than defensive retaliation if Israel were to attack it first.
  • CosmoCosmo Posts: 12,225
    People may think I'm siding with Iran... but, that is their problem.. not mine. I am just trying to view the thing outside the normal America-centric perspective.
    U.S./Israel <|> Iran and the Arab States/Russia
    ...
    The Arab and Persian states want arms... there's money to be made... we're always promoting free enterprise and capitalism... why wouldn't Russia... or China or someone else want to make the deal?
    ...
    I wouldn't doubt if we were able to sell to both sides and get away with it... we would.
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  • MrBrianMrBrian Posts: 2,672
    Cosmo wrote:
    Back to Soviet.. er... Russian Arms Sales to Iran and Syria...
    How is that any different than U.S. sale of Arms to Israel? Other than we're the good guys... they're the bad guys.
    I mean, look at it objectively... Yeah, that whole 'Wipe Israel of the map' thing... but, really... who has made First Strike attacks in that region?
    Israel on Egypt in 1967
    Egypt and Syria on Israel in 1973
    Iraq on Iran in 1980
    Israel on Iraq in 1981 (Osairak Nuclear Facility)
    Iraq on Kuwait in 1990
    U.S. on Iraq in 2003
    ...
    As long as we arm Israel... they are going to get arms from Russia... or China.


    Right on, also I think it's fair to say that American arms sales to Israel is far worse than these defensive sales by the Russians to Iran/Syria

    http://www.fas.org/asmp/profiles/israel_armstable.htm

    and that's an old toy list, even bigger sales came after 9/11
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