I worry that when the time comes (and it will) when America is at the Point of attacking another country (probably Iran) Biden and the rest of America will once again (like they so often do) fall for the drama.
Another attack in america like 9/11 and you will see how quickly the American people will dumb themselves down and follow whatever the leader on the TV say's.
I remember clearly how sheep like Americans were after 9/11. I remember it well.
Bingo!
And you couldn't convince anyone that invading Iraq was a HUGE mistake.
No matter what I said, or how much I said; they all simply parroted the White House Press Releases and pointed to 9/11 as a reason to invade Iraq.
Many of us were completely against the invasion of Iraq. Many, many Americans. But the majority were all standing around glassy-eyed, mesmerized and dumbed-down, while waiting for their cues from the White House.
Because as well know, it was Saddam and Iraq that attacked us on 9/11:rolleyes:
Oh wait, it was Saudia Arabia, Pakistan and Syria who attacked us on 9/11. Nevermind.
The true funny part is Russia being in support of the invasion of Iraq and "sharing" their "intelligence" with us:rolleyes:
Face it people, our goverment either got played like a pawn or they were in fact complict in 9/11 and the Iraq " faulty-intelligence".
Russia and several others either set us up or our government was a part of it all.
Unfortunately, in this scenario there truely are no other possibilities or variables.
And a majority of Americans got suckered-in and completely duped on both. Those Americans should be ashamed of themselves.
I have no real problem with Biden. He's said some stupid stuff in the past, but we all have. Obama needed someone with strong foreign policy experience. Both to help win, and to have next to him as an adviser if he wins.
As for the sheep comment, that was definitely true. Fear puts a lot of power in the governments hands.
But I do find it ironic here when so many people followed Ed sheepishly and voted for Nader the past couple of elections--most of them without really looking up the issues and seeing if they actually agreed with Nader. I didn't, and I was happy as hell Ed didn't endorse him again so I didn't have to hear him promoting him in the PJ and solo shows this summer.
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Ok, I appreciate that. however, how can you agree with me and still vote for Obama? you agree that the situation is very important, you saw for yourself that obama and biden are not particularly 'strong' in that area... why would you still vote for them?
Ok, I appreciate that. however, how can you agree with me and still vote for Obama? you agree that the situation is very important, you saw for yourself that obama and biden are not particularly 'strong' in that area... why would you still vote for them?
because who else are you going to vote for? the guy that is going to do a lot WORSE in this area, or the guy that might draw enough votes to make sure the guy that is going to do a lot worse gets elected?
sorry, I didn't mean you, I was mainly talking about catch22 and other people making comments like that.
yeah, i've been thinking about that, too... but I just keep thinking: how can I cast a vote for Obama/Biden and then go to my friends living in Gaza and the West Bank and look at them straight in the face like I didn't just vote for a guy who vowed to make their next 4 years a living hell?
what friends in gaza?
you look them in the face and say you kept mccain out of office, who would have made the next 4 years of their lives even worse than hell.
because who else are you going to vote for? the guy that is going to do a lot WORSE in this area, or the guy that might draw enough votes to make sure the guy that is going to do a lot worse gets elected?
have you not been reading my previous posts? Obama has clearly shown he'll do worse in Israel/Palestine.
actually, I guess I can't necessarily make that claim yet. If McCain picks Lieberman, then the Palestinians are just fucked.
have you not been reading my previous posts? Obama has clearly shown he'll do worse in Israel/Palestine.
actually, I guess I can't necessarily make that claim yet. If McCain picks Lieberman, then the Palestinians are just fucked.
mccain won't pick lieberman, it'd be suicide.
but i must have missed those posts. i missed the middle part of the thread. im intruged though and will have to get to that tomorrow, because i cannot even imagine a universe where anyone thinks obama would somehow be worse than mccain when it comes to supporting israel and being pro-war.
Biden, everything Obama has been bashing the administration for this whole time..a "typical" Washington old head...30 years in Washington..so this is the Hope and Change Obama wanted???
piss poor choice...this guarantees a McCain victory in November
bonehead move Obama
Are you serious?
Simply because someone has years and years of experience doesn't mean they can't bring "change" & "hope" to Washington. Is Biden a corrupt politician that puts partisanship before doing what is right for America? Is he some politician with oil companies in his pockets that is screwing over America? Biden is one of the most independent, outspoken voices in the Senate - he will say what he thinks, no matter what side of the aisle he falls and and who he pisses off. He is a middle-class man - his net-worth is well under a million. You have to be politically ignorant if you call Joe Biden "typical". Experience doesn't nullify change.
No matter what I said, or how much I said; they all simply parroted the White House Press Releases and pointed to 9/11 as a reason to invade Iraq.
Many of us were completely against the invasion of Iraq. Many, many Americans. But the majority were all standing around glassy-eyed, mesmerized and dumbed-down, while waiting for their cues from the White House.
The true funny part is Russia being in support of the invasion of Iraq and "sharing" their "intelligence" with us:rolleyes:
LMAO!! I know right, fucking Russia? "Russia gave us the intelligence" wtf? Then Russia shouldve invaded Iraq, hahah
Simply because someone has years and years of experience doesn't mean they can't bring "change" & "hope" to Washington. Is Biden a corrupt politician that puts partisanship before doing what is right for America? Is he some politician with oil companies in his pockets that is screwing over America? Biden is one of the most independent, outspoken voices in the Senate - he will say what he thinks, no matter what side of the aisle he falls and and who he pisses off. He is a middle-class man - his net-worth is well under a million. You have to be politically ignorant if you call Joe Biden "typical". Experience doesn't nullify change.
True, he's not in the pocket of big oil. Instead he's being taken care of by credit card companies especially MBNA. I'm not sure that's any better.
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Bingo!
And you couldn't convince anyone that invading Iraq was a HUGE mistake.
No matter what I said, or how much I said; they all simply parroted the White House Press Releases and pointed to 9/11 as a reason to invade Iraq.
Many of us were completely against the invasion of Iraq. Many, many Americans. But the majority were all standing around glassy-eyed, mesmerized and dumbed-down, while waiting for their cues from the White House.
Because as well know, it was Saddam and Iraq that attacked us on 9/11:rolleyes:
Oh wait, it was Saudia Arabia, Pakistan and Syria who attacked us on 9/11. Nevermind.
The true funny part is Russia being in support of the invasion of Iraq and "sharing" their "intelligence" with us:rolleyes:
Face it people, our goverment either got played like a pawn or they were in fact complict in 9/11 and the Iraq " faulty-intelligence".
Russia and several others either set us up or our government was a part of it all.
Unfortunately, in this scenario there truely are no other possibilities or variables.
And a majority of Americans got suckered-in and completely duped on both. Those Americans should be ashamed of themselves.
Let's just breathe...
I am myself like you somehow
As for the sheep comment, that was definitely true. Fear puts a lot of power in the governments hands.
But I do find it ironic here when so many people followed Ed sheepishly and voted for Nader the past couple of elections--most of them without really looking up the issues and seeing if they actually agreed with Nader. I didn't, and I was happy as hell Ed didn't endorse him again so I didn't have to hear him promoting him in the PJ and solo shows this summer.
2006: Camden I & II, DC
2008: DC, Ed DC II
Ok, I appreciate that. however, how can you agree with me and still vote for Obama? you agree that the situation is very important, you saw for yourself that obama and biden are not particularly 'strong' in that area... why would you still vote for them?
because who else are you going to vote for? the guy that is going to do a lot WORSE in this area, or the guy that might draw enough votes to make sure the guy that is going to do a lot worse gets elected?
what friends in gaza?
you look them in the face and say you kept mccain out of office, who would have made the next 4 years of their lives even worse than hell.
actually, I guess I can't necessarily make that claim yet. If McCain picks Lieberman, then the Palestinians are just fucked.
mccain won't pick lieberman, it'd be suicide.
but i must have missed those posts. i missed the middle part of the thread. im intruged though and will have to get to that tomorrow, because i cannot even imagine a universe where anyone thinks obama would somehow be worse than mccain when it comes to supporting israel and being pro-war.
just got off the phone with my dad, looks like Obama it is...
Are you serious?
Simply because someone has years and years of experience doesn't mean they can't bring "change" & "hope" to Washington. Is Biden a corrupt politician that puts partisanship before doing what is right for America? Is he some politician with oil companies in his pockets that is screwing over America? Biden is one of the most independent, outspoken voices in the Senate - he will say what he thinks, no matter what side of the aisle he falls and and who he pisses off. He is a middle-class man - his net-worth is well under a million. You have to be politically ignorant if you call Joe Biden "typical". Experience doesn't nullify change.
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LMAO!! I know right, fucking Russia? "Russia gave us the intelligence" wtf? Then Russia shouldve invaded Iraq, hahah
Scapegoat Russia
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True, he's not in the pocket of big oil. Instead he's being taken care of by credit card companies especially MBNA. I'm not sure that's any better.
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