I think the most accurate part is the major split between brain power. The groups of people that don't read,write or really think much. They just sit around not doing much, if they get sick they just take some meds, they don't gym,run or play sports so they'll have major health issues. When those people have kids, those kids become the same and it continues for thousands of years and they end up being the dim-witted, ugly goblin-like creatures.
Then the other group, the ones who read, get out and run and whatever else. They will be the ones evolution favors.
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I'm not sure what kind of mutations would be needed to increase brain "power", but over 99% of the possible mutations would result in mental retardation, or something like anencephaly. Evolution takes a long time because it's not directed, it's the result of random mutations, the sheer complexity of the human brain is an enigma and an infinite number of mutations would cause a failure of brain development.
The brain develops through two process, neurogenesis and synaptogenesis, then there is a pruning that occurs during adolescence where unused synapses are pruned away. If 25 generations of a family are "dumb", as in they didn't use their synapses before the pruning process and those synapses were pruned away, they won't pass that down to their children, the 26th generation could be geniuses, because the genes aren't responsible for the previous 25 generations becoming "dumb". Child rearing is the most common cause of stupidity.
In some cases, synesthesia, or agenesis of the corpus collosum, patients have enhanced abilities, such as Kim Peek, who can remember anything from a book, but they have defecits, Kim can't dress himself. Daniel Tammet can recite Pi to 25,000 decimal places, he sees numbers as shapes, but he's also frightened by certain numbers, they have an impact on him that isn't easily understood. Although Tammet is capable of functioning in a seemingly normal way, there is the clear defecit of his synesthesia of having false representations, especially the ones that frighten him.
So, it isn't clear to me, how this split could occur, and the liklihood of it occuring seems slim. If the specific mutations required are possible and did occur, which is probably 1:Googolplex, they would have to have positive global effects to be classified as "smarter", since intelligence is not a global system, it's diffuse and it's value can only be measured per application. If you met Kim Peek in a library he would seem to be a genius (with some social problems), but seen performing simple tasks, like tying his shoes, he would appear retarded.
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Dashingly physically attractive and yet thick as turds?
Or incredibly bright, hugely intellectual yet physically 'a bit wrong'?
Maybe this scientist will review his theory and add a 3rd race.
'We're learning songs for baby Jesus' birthday. His mum and dad were Merry and Joseph. He had a bed made of clay and the three kings bought him Gold, Frankenstein and Merv as presents.'
oh disabled people will be nonexistent. surely man will evolve past such things.
They better do, or we're all fucked.
'We're learning songs for baby Jesus' birthday. His mum and dad were Merry and Joseph. He had a bed made of clay and the three kings bought him Gold, Frankenstein and Merv as presents.'
have you read huxley's brave new world? he lays out exactly how society will be carved up and how those evolutionary changes will be dealt with. or more to the point, engineered. and yes, some of us are totally fucked. scary stuff indeed.
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With the genetic engineering that appears on the horizon, I can definitely see a split between the wealthy & the non-wealthy.
For now, any executive board's appearance tells me that the genetic playing field is still pretty level, for now.
But then again, Western civilization is breeding less & less, while this is not true in Third World nations. So maybe I should not have posted these thoughts at all.
With the genetic engineering that appears on the horizon, I can definitely see a split between the wealthy & the non-wealthy.
For now, any executive board's appearance tells me that the genetic playing field is still pretty level, for now.
But then again, Western civilization is breeding less & less, while this is not true in Third World nations. So maybe I should not have posted these thoughts at all.
wealth breeds looks though. go to a wealthy suburban high school and compare the girls there to those in the inner city. with the latest clothes, tanning beds, regular waxes, fancy jewelry, and perfect teeth, etc. you can in many cases "buy" beauty.
wealth breeds looks though. go to a wealthy suburban high school and compare the girls there to those in the inner city. with the latest clothes, tanning beds, regular waxes, fancy jewelry, and perfect teeth, etc. you can in many cases "buy" beauty.
That's true, but that's not really genetic (I don't think you were saying this, by the way). Tanning, waxing, bleached teeth, getting your herr did, clothes from The Gap, etc, doesn't begat more attractive offspring than their poorer counterparts.
That's true, but that's not really genetic (I don't think you were saying this, by the way). Tanning, waxing, bleached teeth, getting your herr did, clothes from The Gap, etc, doesn't begat more attractive offspring than their poorer counterparts.
it breeds better health and whatnot. healthier parents make for healthier offspring. proper care and feeding growing up leads to fewer complications (like teeth falling out).
A thousand years is the blink of an eye in evolutionary terms. We'll change, but not all THAT much, if we last that long. Certainly not enough change to break off into a new species.
This is exactly what I was thinking. This dude is a crackpot. We've spent a couple million years trying to get rid of our tail bone, wisdom teeth and appendix and he thinks we're going to morph into that ridiculous description in 1000 years? What a retard.
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This is exactly what I was thinking. This dude is a crackpot. We've spent a couple million years trying to get rid of our tail bone, wisdom teeth and appendix and he thinks we're going to morph into that ridiculous description in 1000 years? What a retard.
Hahaha. 1000 years is probably more like the nerve impulse shooting down the nerve root to begin the signal to the eyelid muscle to blink.
i know a lot of hot chicks with butt ugly parents and vice versa. Our gene pool seems too varied to separate attractive genes from bad without some kind of genetic engineering.
not that i have any idea what i'm talking about here.
I think the most accurate part is the major split between brain power. The groups of people that don't read,write or really think much. They just sit around not doing much, if they get sick they just take some meds, they don't gym,run or play sports so they'll have major health issues. When those people have kids, those kids become the same and it continues for thousands of years and they end up being the dim-witted, ugly goblin-like creatures.
Then the other group, the ones who read, get out and run and whatever else. They will be the ones evolution favors.
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i'm not so sure. Many morons have plenty of kids and most of them survive to become adult morons who have plenty of kids and so on.
Meanwhile many intelligent people have one or two kids if that. And if a freak accident happens and their one kid is killed, there goes their genes down the toilet.
I think it already has to some degree, anyway.
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Last updated at 16:18pm on 26th October 2007
The human race will one day split into two separate species, an attractive, intelligent ruling elite and an underclass of dim-witted, ugly goblin-like creatures, according to a top scientist.
The alarming prediction comes from evolutionary theorist Oliver Curry from the London School of Economics, who says that the human race will have reached its physical peak by the year 3000.
These humans will be between 6ft and 7ft tall and they will live up to 120 years.
"Physical features will be driven by indicators of health, youth and fertility that men and women have evolved to look for in potential mates," says the report, which suggests that advances in cosmetic surgery and other body modifying techniques will effectively homogenise our appearance.
Men will have symmetrical facial features, deeper voices and bigger penises, according to Curry in a report commissioned for men's satellite TV channel Bravo.
Women will all have glossy hair, smooth hairless skin, large eyes and pert breasts, according to Curry.
Racial differences will be a thing of the past as interbreeding produces a single coffee-coloured skin tone.
wealth breeds looks though. go to a wealthy suburban high school and compare the girls there to those in the inner city. with the latest clothes, tanning beds, regular waxes, fancy jewelry, and perfect teeth, etc. you can in many cases "buy" beauty.
You also should not discount the phenomena of "What the rich do and look like is by definition beautiful, and the measuring rod for the rest of us".
A few quick examples of this is as follws:
1. Couple 100 years ago, fat was beautiful. Because you had to be rich to be fat. Since fat was a sign of prosperity, it was beutiful.
2. Not too long ago, having a tan was a mark of lower class. Because if you have a tan, means you work outside all day, means you're poor. Being white as a sheet was reserved the rich who could sit in their houses all day and not getting any distasteful colour.
Beauty is a very changing and fad-run thing that changes all the time. A general trend though, is that the things that signify prosperity, are the things that are deemed beautiful. Read up on Bourdieu for an analysis of how the upper classes define these things, or for that matter look into Veblen's theories on "conspicious consumption".
I'm not disagreeing with you, just fleshing it out.
(edit) oh by the way, the original article is mostly crap. Exactly the way one should NOT think about evolution etc.
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wealth breeds looks though. go to a wealthy suburban high school and compare the girls there to those in the inner city. with the latest clothes, tanning beds, regular waxes, fancy jewelry, and perfect teeth, etc. you can in many cases "buy" beauty.
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Plastic surgery is not passed through the gene pool.
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If Michael Jackson ever has kids... real kids that are his own... they will look like the cute little kid Micheal Jackson of the Jackson 5... not the current Michael Jackson that looks like a cross between Joan Rivers and the Cryptkeeper from 'Tales of The Crypt'.
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I think it already has to some degree, anyway.
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By NIALL FIRTH - More by this author »
Last updated at 16:18pm on 26th October 2007
The human race will one day split into two separate species, an attractive, intelligent ruling elite and an underclass of dim-witted, ugly goblin-like creatures, according to a top scientist.
The alarming prediction comes from evolutionary theorist Oliver Curry from the London School of Economics, who says that the human race will have reached its physical peak by the year 3000.
These humans will be between 6ft and 7ft tall and they will live up to 120 years.
"Physical features will be driven by indicators of health, youth and fertility that men and women have evolved to look for in potential mates," says the report, which suggests that advances in cosmetic surgery and other body modifying techniques will effectively homogenise our appearance.
Men will have symmetrical facial features, deeper voices and bigger penises, according to Curry in a report commissioned for men's satellite TV channel Bravo.
Women will all have glossy hair, smooth hairless skin, large eyes and pert breasts, according to Curry.
Racial differences will be a thing of the past as interbreeding produces a single coffee-coloured skin tone.
SERIOUSLY; how can this bloke predict the future? did he take global warming into consideration and that 2/3 of the population will die during the evacuations?
For starters, the more body mass you have the shorter your lifespan is. So tall people with long lifespans becoming the norm is a bit off.
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and if they live to be 120 year old... i think they will need to raise the retirement age to about 105... otherwise, Social Security will be in REAL trouble.
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you from norway, everywhere you look you see 6 foot women with pert breasts. I think the split has happened to some degree.
Hehe. Maybe so.
Our vikings probably took away all good-looking women in northern europe 1000 years ago, and we reap the benefits to this day...
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I'm not sure what kind of mutations would be needed to increase brain "power", but over 99% of the possible mutations would result in mental retardation, or something like anencephaly. Evolution takes a long time because it's not directed, it's the result of random mutations, the sheer complexity of the human brain is an enigma and an infinite number of mutations would cause a failure of brain development.
The brain develops through two process, neurogenesis and synaptogenesis, then there is a pruning that occurs during adolescence where unused synapses are pruned away. If 25 generations of a family are "dumb", as in they didn't use their synapses before the pruning process and those synapses were pruned away, they won't pass that down to their children, the 26th generation could be geniuses, because the genes aren't responsible for the previous 25 generations becoming "dumb". Child rearing is the most common cause of stupidity.
In some cases, synesthesia, or agenesis of the corpus collosum, patients have enhanced abilities, such as Kim Peek, who can remember anything from a book, but they have defecits, Kim can't dress himself. Daniel Tammet can recite Pi to 25,000 decimal places, he sees numbers as shapes, but he's also frightened by certain numbers, they have an impact on him that isn't easily understood. Although Tammet is capable of functioning in a seemingly normal way, there is the clear defecit of his synesthesia of having false representations, especially the ones that frighten him.
So, it isn't clear to me, how this split could occur, and the liklihood of it occuring seems slim. If the specific mutations required are possible and did occur, which is probably 1:Googolplex, they would have to have positive global effects to be classified as "smarter", since intelligence is not a global system, it's diffuse and it's value can only be measured per application. If you met Kim Peek in a library he would seem to be a genius (with some social problems), but seen performing simple tasks, like tying his shoes, he would appear retarded.
I wonder where disabled people will fit?
Dashingly physically attractive and yet thick as turds?
Or incredibly bright, hugely intellectual yet physically 'a bit wrong'?
Maybe this scientist will review his theory and add a 3rd race.
- the great Sir Leo Harrison
oh disabled people will be nonexistent. surely man will evolve past such things.
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
They better do, or we're all fucked.
- the great Sir Leo Harrison
i just think this article is rather fictional
have you read huxley's brave new world? he lays out exactly how society will be carved up and how those evolutionary changes will be dealt with. or more to the point, engineered. and yes, some of us are totally fucked. scary stuff indeed.
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
For now, any executive board's appearance tells me that the genetic playing field is still pretty level, for now.
But then again, Western civilization is breeding less & less, while this is not true in Third World nations. So maybe I should not have posted these thoughts at all.
wealth breeds looks though. go to a wealthy suburban high school and compare the girls there to those in the inner city. with the latest clothes, tanning beds, regular waxes, fancy jewelry, and perfect teeth, etc. you can in many cases "buy" beauty.
That's true, but that's not really genetic (I don't think you were saying this, by the way). Tanning, waxing, bleached teeth, getting your herr did, clothes from The Gap, etc, doesn't begat more attractive offspring than their poorer counterparts.
it breeds better health and whatnot. healthier parents make for healthier offspring. proper care and feeding growing up leads to fewer complications (like teeth falling out).
This is exactly what I was thinking. This dude is a crackpot. We've spent a couple million years trying to get rid of our tail bone, wisdom teeth and appendix and he thinks we're going to morph into that ridiculous description in 1000 years? What a retard.
the other foot in the gutter
sweet smell that they adore
I think I'd rather smother
-The Replacements-
Hahaha. 1000 years is probably more like the nerve impulse shooting down the nerve root to begin the signal to the eyelid muscle to blink.
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not that i have any idea what i'm talking about here.
i'm not so sure. Many morons have plenty of kids and most of them survive to become adult morons who have plenty of kids and so on.
Meanwhile many intelligent people have one or two kids if that. And if a freak accident happens and their one kid is killed, there goes their genes down the toilet.
this is a joke; right?
Unfortunately it's not.
the other foot in the gutter
sweet smell that they adore
I think I'd rather smother
-The Replacements-
You also should not discount the phenomena of "What the rich do and look like is by definition beautiful, and the measuring rod for the rest of us".
A few quick examples of this is as follws:
1. Couple 100 years ago, fat was beautiful. Because you had to be rich to be fat. Since fat was a sign of prosperity, it was beutiful.
2. Not too long ago, having a tan was a mark of lower class. Because if you have a tan, means you work outside all day, means you're poor. Being white as a sheet was reserved the rich who could sit in their houses all day and not getting any distasteful colour.
Beauty is a very changing and fad-run thing that changes all the time. A general trend though, is that the things that signify prosperity, are the things that are deemed beautiful. Read up on Bourdieu for an analysis of how the upper classes define these things, or for that matter look into Veblen's theories on "conspicious consumption".
I'm not disagreeing with you, just fleshing it out.
(edit) oh by the way, the original article is mostly crap. Exactly the way one should NOT think about evolution etc.
Peace
Dan
"Every judgment teeters on the brink of error. To claim absolute knowledge is to become monstrous. Knowledge is an unending adventure at the edge of uncertainty." - Frank Herbert, Dune, 1965
you from norway, everywhere you look you see 6 foot women with pert breasts. I think the split has happened to some degree.
Plastic surgery is not passed through the gene pool.
...
If Michael Jackson ever has kids... real kids that are his own... they will look like the cute little kid Micheal Jackson of the Jackson 5... not the current Michael Jackson that looks like a cross between Joan Rivers and the Cryptkeeper from 'Tales of The Crypt'.
Hail, Hail!!!
WOOHOO WE WIN!
SERIOUSLY; how can this bloke predict the future? did he take global warming into consideration and that 2/3 of the population will die during the evacuations?
and if they live to be 120 year old... i think they will need to raise the retirement age to about 105... otherwise, Social Security will be in REAL trouble.
Hail, Hail!!!
Our vikings probably took away all good-looking women in northern europe 1000 years ago, and we reap the benefits to this day...
Peace
Dan
"Every judgment teeters on the brink of error. To claim absolute knowledge is to become monstrous. Knowledge is an unending adventure at the edge of uncertainty." - Frank Herbert, Dune, 1965