U.S. deaths in Iraq exceed 9-11 count

dg1979us

chiefojibwa wrote:

you can't see the overall point here? that he just sat there while the country was under attack? he should have done SOMETHING, shouldn't he? he's the fucking PRESIDENT, need i remind you? and we have people here arguing about what a strong leader he is...he just fucking SAT THERE!!!! GET OFF YOUR ASS AND GO BE THE PRESIDENT....OUR COUNTRY IS UNDER ATTACK!

What should he have done? It was 7 minutes, not 7 hours. Im sorry, but like I said there are plenty of things to go after Bush for, but unless you are going to sit here and tell me that anything would have changed had he gotten up in those 7 minutes then you are just making a mountain out of a molehill. So, tell me what he should have done specifically in that instance, that would have made you happy?

hippiemom

jlew24asu wrote:

im saying bush is much stronger then I was.

Go watch any press conference since we've been in Iraq. He's asked about fatalities, he can't keep the smirk off his face. Go watch him being questioned about Katrina ... more smirking. Go watch the debates when he was asked about executing people as governor ... that was beyond smirking, that was a full-on grin.

It's not that he's stronger ... it's that he doesn't give a fuck.

jlew24asu wrote:

spare me. the bin laden family disowned osama years ago. your smarter then this to make such a stupid comment

They've disowned him publicly. That doesn't really mean much. Do you KNOW for a FACT that none of his brothers have spoken to him in years? Are you going to take their word for it, or do you think that maybe that's something the FBI might have wanted to look into?

miller8966

hippiemom wrote:

Go watch any press conference since we've been in Iraq. He's asked about fatalities, he can't keep the smirk off his face. Go watch him being questioned about Katrina ... more smirking. Go watch the debates when he was asked about executing people as governor ... that was beyond smirking, that was a full-on grin.

It's not that he's stronger ... it's that he doesn't give a fuck.

quote]

I think its great that he executes criminals.

And please provide video evidence of his smirking about dead soliders.

hippiemom

miller8966 wrote:

What would you have wanted him to do?

Ok so he gets up and leaves the school...thats about 7 minutes right there.

Dubya was not afraid to be our leader...he showed great courage and strength after 9/11.

What did he do? Please name ONE THING that he did that showed "great courage and strength." Was it when he flew around in Air Force One all day long, afraid to put his pansy ass down on the ground with the rest of us? Do you honestly think that's what Reagan would have done?

Jeanwah

jlew24asu wrote:

looked fine to me. hell I had to hold back tears everytime I saw the burning rubble.

He was a scared a bumbling pussy cat. No WAY was he being the strong leader we needed to hear words of encouragement from. You must not remember his speech that night, but I do. I was disgusted, because I, along with everyone else, was upset and pissed off at the same time. We didn't need someone crying with us. We needed someone to step up and be strong. That's where Rudy plowed the path for us, while Bush did nothing!

he did. air travel in, out, or around the country was shut down for days...yes they were. My friends dad was stuck in Europe for a week.

Air travel. That's it. Not including his Arab friends, of course, but never, not once did he lock down our borders from all kinds of travel, albeit air, water, or anything else. My hometown (where there also happens to be a nuclear site) is on the border with Canada, and anyone could have come in and done destruction. NEVER closed.

so thats all you would do huh? shut down the borders? well Bush did and went a step further. in less then a month he was able to organize and carry a war against those who attacked us.

No he didn't, and that's not the only thing thatI would have done...it's the FIRST. That war we wagered against bin Laden???? Are you kidding?!?!

chopitdown

hippiemom wrote:

What did he do? Please name ONE THING that he did that showed "great courage and strength." Was it when he flew around in Air Force One all day long, afraid to put his pansy ass down on the ground with the rest of us? Do you honestly think that's what Reagan would have done?

c'mon HM, you know that there are security steps that get taken to prevent the president from being killed, he is kind of important. EVERY president would have been on air force one getting information and trying to make decisions, b/c they have security detail that's responsible for them...

now that i've said my piece...enjoy.

jlew24asu

hippiemom wrote:

What did he do? Please name ONE THING that he did that showed "great courage and strength." Was it when he flew around in Air Force One all day long, afraid to put his pansy ass down on the ground with the rest of us? Do you honestly think that's what Reagan would have done?

oops. I guess you didnt know. Bush was advised, almost forced not to go back to washington that night by the secret service. he insisted. they went back.

he wasnt in washington when it happened, he had to fly back. would you rather he take the bus??

again, you really are way off today.

hippiemom

miller8966 wrote:

I think its great that he executes criminals.

You might think it's great, but do you think it's [/i]funny[/]?

miller8966 wrote:

And please provide video evidence of his smirking about dead soliders.

Do you never watch his press conferences? He's smirked about it at every one I've seen, although I admit that's not very many because I try to avoid watching him.

I can't access videos at work, but I shouldn't have to. Go look it up yourself if you're that interested. You can rent "When The Levees Broke" if you'd like to see him smirking about American citizens drowning in their attics.

hippiemom

jlew24asu wrote:

oops. I guess you didnt know. Bush was advised, almost forced not to go back to washington that night by the secret service. he insisted. they went back.

he wasnt in washington when it happened, he had to fly back. would you rather he take the bus??

again, you really are way off today.

He was flying around for hours ... far, far longer than it takes to get to Washington from Florida. And he's the fucking Commander in Chief of the United States, no one forces him to do anything. Reagan would have been before the American people within the hour.

dg1979us

hippiemom wrote:

You might think it's great, but do you think it's [/i]funny[/]?


Do you never watch his press conferences? He's smirked about it at every one I've seen, although I admit that's not very many because I try to avoid watching him.

I can't access videos at work, but I shouldn't have to. Go look it up yourself if you're that interested. You can rent "When The Levees Broke" if you'd like to see him smirking about American citizens drowning in their attics.

I think his smirk is just more or less his manerisms and natural expressions. Even if he doesnt give a shit, he isnt going to make that clear to the press and the world. I think you are reading to much into his smirk.

jlew24asu

Jeanwah wrote:

He was a scared a bumbling pussy cat. No WAY was he being the strong leader we needed to hear words of encouragement from. You must not remember his speech that night, but I do. I was disgusted, because I, along with everyone else, was upset and pissed off at the same time. We didn't need someone crying with us. We needed someone to step up and be strong. That's where Rudy plowed the path for us, while Bush did nothing!

take a look for yourself. I completely disagree

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6288687841228748608&q=bush+9%2F11+speech

Jeanwah wrote:

Air travel. That's it. Not including his Arab friends, of course, but never, not once did he lock down our borders from all kinds of travel, albeit air, water, or anything else. My hometown (where there also happens to be a nuclear site) is on the border with Canada, and anyone could have come in and done destruction. NEVER closed.

that was the fault of your local police. not bush. you are so wrong. you really believe the shit that comes out of your mouth. we were in code 5 (its not 5 but its something like that) its a standard alert level. and it was the highest one. our country was on lock down. you really are wrong, I wish I had the link to show you the levels but I dont.

Jeanwah wrote:

No he didn't, and that's not the only thing thatI would have done...it's the FIRST. That war we wagered against bin Laden???? Are you kidding?!?!

war was waged against el queda and the taliban

chopitdown

hippiemom wrote:

He was flying around for hours ... far, far longer than it takes to get to Washington from Florida. And he's the fucking Commander in Chief of the United States, no one forces him to do anything. Reagan would have been before the American people within the hour.

let's see we get attacked and let's pretend teh gov't didn't know anything about it. Would you land a president on the ground or keep him in the air and moving so he's safe? Please don't play the WWRD card b/c no one has any idea so it's no use getting in a fight about.

jlew24asu

hippiemom wrote:

He was flying around for hours ... far, far longer than it takes to get to Washington from Florida. And he's the fucking Commander in Chief of the United States, no one forces him to do anything. Reagan would have been before the American people within the hour.

secret service is required to protect him. he flew around waiting for all planes to be accounted for. that took time. once they were he wouldnt take no for an answer on going back to washington. even after everyone, including cheney, to come back to DC.

you ave no idea what reagan would have done. give it up already

hippiemom

chopitdown wrote:

let's see we get attacked and let's pretend teh gov't didn't know anything about it. Would you land a president on the ground or keep him in the air and moving so he's safe? Please don't play the WWRD card b/c no one has any idea so it's no use getting in a fight about.

It's about leadership. Look, I despise Ronald Reagan with every fiber of my being, but no one will ever convince me that there's any way in hell that he'd have gone MIA for hours on end, not so much as releasing a statement, while this country was under attack. Can anyone envision that happening???

dg1979us

chiefojibwa wrote:

alright obviously you don't get my point. a strong leader would immediately spring into action. he did not. 7 minutes, 7 hours...irrelevant. i'm talking about leadership.

I never claimed he was a strong leader. I just claimed that this 7 minute ordeal that Maher and Moore and others have made such a big issue about is ludicrous, as it wouldnt have helped or changed anything had he sprang into action. Go after him for the legitimate issues.

miller8966

hippiemom wrote:

He was flying around for hours ... far, far longer than it takes to get to Washington from Florida. And he's the fucking Commander in Chief of the United States, no one forces him to do anything. Reagan would have been before the American people within the hour.

Reagan is the greatest U.S president ever.

He probaly would have eaten himself a medium- rare hamburger, before he decided to make the middle east a parking lot.

hippiemom

jlew24asu wrote:

secret service is required to protect him. he flew around waiting for all planes to be accounted for. that took time. once they were he wouldnt take no for an answer on going back to washington. even after everyone, including cheney, to come back to DC.

you ave no idea what reagan would have done. give it up already

Oh for heavens sake, you are so ridiculous. Who does the Secret Service take their orders from? You're telling me that they outrank the president? He really WANTED to go be president, but he wasn't allowed? Hahaha.

chopitdown

hippiemom wrote:

It's about leadership. Look, I despise Ronald Reagan with every fiber of my being, but no one will ever convince me that there's any way in hell that he'd have gone MIA for hours on end, not so much as releasing a statement, while this country was under attack. Can anyone envision that happening???

ok, i'll agree that prob something should've been released but at the same time how much do you tell if you have no idea what is happening? I think that given the circumstances he acted fairly competent; I'm sure (since we're playing the what if game) if he had it to do over again he wouldn't have kept reading about a goat, and would've released something a little quicker. I just hope we don't have to go through anything like that again to find out if he's learned.

Jeanwah

jlew24asu wrote:

take a look for yourself. I completely disagree

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6288687841228748608&q=bush+9%2F11+speech

You really watch that again and see a strong leader? I see a scared little boy reading from a teleprompter, desperately trying not to shake and stutter. There is no emotion, just concentration to reading. Nothing strong at all about that speech. Exactly what I remember. And no anger! Boy, he does talk about anger, but there is no strong emotion coming from him. Doesn't talk like a strong leader, talks like a lector in church.

you are so wrong. you really believe the shit that comes out of your mouth. we were in code 5 (its not 5 but its something like that) its a standard alert level. and it was the highest one. our country was on lock down. you really are wrong, I wish I had the link to show you the levels but I dont.

Our country was on lock down? What country were you in? Try being in a border city on a border state. We were NOT in LOCKDOWN! Air travel was suspended for a number of days. That's IT! And you can show me all the levels you want including the terrorism possibility level ratings. Oh, I just love those. So accurate.

War was waged against bin Laden and then fell through and Bush dismissed him. Quite the war that was.

jlew24asu

hippiemom wrote:

Oh for heavens sake, you are so ridiculous. Who does the Secret Service take their orders from? You're telling me that they outrank the president? He really WANTED to go be president, but he wasn't allowed? Hahaha.

what the fuck are you talking about. I thought you quit smoking pot in the 70s.