U.S. deaths in Iraq exceed 9-11 count

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  • jlew24asujlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    Jeanwah wrote:
    He was a scared a bumbling pussy cat. No WAY was he being the strong leader we needed to hear words of encouragement from. You must not remember his speech that night, but I do. I was disgusted, because I, along with everyone else, was upset and pissed off at the same time. We didn't need someone crying with us. We needed someone to step up and be strong. That's where Rudy plowed the path for us, while Bush did nothing!

    take a look for yourself. I completely disagree

    http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6288687841228748608&q=bush+9%2F11+speech

    Jeanwah wrote:
    Air travel. That's it. Not including his Arab friends, of course, but never, not once did he lock down our borders from all kinds of travel, albeit air, water, or anything else. My hometown (where there also happens to be a nuclear site) is on the border with Canada, and anyone could have come in and done destruction. NEVER closed.

    that was the fault of your local police. not bush. you are so wrong. you really believe the shit that comes out of your mouth. we were in code 5 (its not 5 but its something like that) its a standard alert level. and it was the highest one. our country was on lock down. you really are wrong, I wish I had the link to show you the levels but I dont.

    Jeanwah wrote:
    No he didn't, and that's not the only thing thatI would have done...it's the FIRST. That war we wagered against bin Laden???? Are you kidding?!?!


    war was waged against el queda and the taliban
  • chopitdownchopitdown Posts: 2,222
    hippiemom wrote:
    He was flying around for hours ... far, far longer than it takes to get to Washington from Florida. And he's the fucking Commander in Chief of the United States, no one forces him to do anything. Reagan would have been before the American people within the hour.

    let's see we get attacked and let's pretend teh gov't didn't know anything about it. Would you land a president on the ground or keep him in the air and moving so he's safe? Please don't play the WWRD card b/c no one has any idea so it's no use getting in a fight about.
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  • jlew24asujlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    hippiemom wrote:
    He was flying around for hours ... far, far longer than it takes to get to Washington from Florida. And he's the fucking Commander in Chief of the United States, no one forces him to do anything. Reagan would have been before the American people within the hour.

    secret service is required to protect him. he flew around waiting for all planes to be accounted for. that took time. once they were he wouldnt take no for an answer on going back to washington. even after everyone, including cheney, to come back to DC.

    you ave no idea what reagan would have done. give it up already
  • hippiemomhippiemom Posts: 3,326
    chopitdown wrote:
    let's see we get attacked and let's pretend teh gov't didn't know anything about it. Would you land a president on the ground or keep him in the air and moving so he's safe? Please don't play the WWRD card b/c no one has any idea so it's no use getting in a fight about.
    It's about leadership. Look, I despise Ronald Reagan with every fiber of my being, but no one will ever convince me that there's any way in hell that he'd have gone MIA for hours on end, not so much as releasing a statement, while this country was under attack. Can anyone envision that happening???
    "Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity." ~ MLK, 1963
  • dg1979usdg1979us Posts: 568
    alright obviously you don't get my point. a strong leader would immediately spring into action. he did not. 7 minutes, 7 hours...irrelevant. i'm talking about leadership.


    I never claimed he was a strong leader. I just claimed that this 7 minute ordeal that Maher and Moore and others have made such a big issue about is ludicrous, as it wouldnt have helped or changed anything had he sprang into action. Go after him for the legitimate issues.
  • miller8966miller8966 Posts: 1,450
    hippiemom wrote:
    He was flying around for hours ... far, far longer than it takes to get to Washington from Florida. And he's the fucking Commander in Chief of the United States, no one forces him to do anything. Reagan would have been before the American people within the hour.

    Reagan is the greatest U.S president ever.

    He probaly would have eaten himself a medium- rare hamburger, before he decided to make the middle east a parking lot.
    America...the greatest Country in the world.
  • hippiemomhippiemom Posts: 3,326
    jlew24asu wrote:
    secret service is required to protect him. he flew around waiting for all planes to be accounted for. that took time. once they were he wouldnt take no for an answer on going back to washington. even after everyone, including cheney, to come back to DC.

    you ave no idea what reagan would have done. give it up already
    Oh for heavens sake, you are so ridiculous. Who does the Secret Service take their orders from? You're telling me that they outrank the president? He really WANTED to go be president, but he wasn't allowed? Hahaha.
    "Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity." ~ MLK, 1963
  • chopitdownchopitdown Posts: 2,222
    hippiemom wrote:
    It's about leadership. Look, I despise Ronald Reagan with every fiber of my being, but no one will ever convince me that there's any way in hell that he'd have gone MIA for hours on end, not so much as releasing a statement, while this country was under attack. Can anyone envision that happening???

    ok, i'll agree that prob something should've been released but at the same time how much do you tell if you have no idea what is happening? I think that given the circumstances he acted fairly competent; I'm sure (since we're playing the what if game) if he had it to do over again he wouldn't have kept reading about a goat, and would've released something a little quicker. I just hope we don't have to go through anything like that again to find out if he's learned.
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  • JeanwahJeanwah Posts: 6,363
    jlew24asu wrote:
    You really watch that again and see a strong leader? I see a scared little boy reading from a teleprompter, desperately trying not to shake and stutter. There is no emotion, just concentration to reading. Nothing strong at all about that speech. Exactly what I remember. And no anger! Boy, he does talk about anger, but there is no strong emotion coming from him. Doesn't talk like a strong leader, talks like a lector in church.
    you are so wrong. you really believe the shit that comes out of your mouth. we were in code 5 (its not 5 but its something like that) its a standard alert level. and it was the highest one. our country was on lock down. you really are wrong, I wish I had the link to show you the levels but I dont.
    Our country was on lock down? What country were you in? Try being in a border city on a border state. We were NOT in LOCKDOWN! Air travel was suspended for a number of days. That's IT! And you can show me all the levels you want including the terrorism possibility level ratings. Oh, I just love those. So accurate.

    War was waged against bin Laden and then fell through and Bush dismissed him. Quite the war that was.
  • jlew24asujlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    hippiemom wrote:
    Oh for heavens sake, you are so ridiculous. Who does the Secret Service take their orders from? You're telling me that they outrank the president? He really WANTED to go be president, but he wasn't allowed? Hahaha.


    what the fuck are you talking about. I thought you quit smoking pot in the 70s.
  • hippiemomhippiemom Posts: 3,326
    jlew24asu wrote:
    what the fuck are you talking about. I thought you quit smoking pot in the 70s.
    Message Board 101, Lesson 1: When you have nothing at all to say, try saying nothing at all. You'll come off as far more intelligent.
    "Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity." ~ MLK, 1963
  • jlew24asujlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    Jeanwah wrote:
    You really watch that again and see a strong leader? I see a scared little boy reading from a teleprompter, desperately trying not to shake and stutter. There is no emotion, just concentration to reading. Nothing strong at all about that speech. Exactly what I remember. And no anger! Boy, he does talk about anger, but there is no strong emotion coming from him. Doesn't talk like a strong leader, talks like a lector in church.


    we disagree.


    Jeanwah wrote:
    Our country was on lock down? What country were you in? Try being in a border city on a border state. We were NOT in LOCKDOWN! Air travel was suspended for a number of days. That's IT! And you can show me all the levels you want including the terrorism possibility level ratings. Oh, I just love those. So accurate.

    I am not talking about the current warning system.
  • jlew24asujlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    hippiemom wrote:
    Message Board 101, Lesson 1: When you have nothing at all to say, try saying nothing at all. You'll come off as far more intelligent.


    I do have something to say. I'm trying to figure out what you are talking about.

    the president could not land the plane and be this almighty strong leader when there are unaccounted planes in the air.

    the secret service have to listen to bush. but they are also required to protect the president at all costs. even if that means disobeying him.
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