U.S. deaths in Iraq exceed 9-11 count

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  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    hippiemom wrote:
    YOU questioning my reading comprehension abilities??? Now THAT'S funny!

    I know what you said. But if you were capable of comprehending what you'd read, you'd know that what I was talking about was the fact that we elected that asshole a second time. That happened in 2004.

    I clearly stated I thought he was a good leader after the attacks on 9/11. you decided to equate that to 04 when he was re-elected.
  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    Jeanwah wrote:
    Nope, don't agree. The guy was a bumbling idiot when he went on tv the night of 9/11, I still to this day felt he owed us more. Rudy Guilliani outdid him by a longshot.


    bumbling idiot? what did you want him to do? I was hoping he said we have fighter jets on the way, but he didnt. I had to wait a month.
  • miller8966
    miller8966 Posts: 1,450
    jlew24asu wrote:
    bumbling idiot? what did you want him to do? I was hoping he said we have fighter jets on the way, but he didnt. I had to wait a month.

    Yea me 2...i was hoping he would tell us we just rolled some abrams tanks into some village.
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  • norm
    norm Posts: 31,146
    jlew24asu wrote:
    he immediately overthrew the taliban. and went on a worldwide offensive to find those responsible for the attacks.

    yes, I am as pissed off as you that bin laden is not captured or killed. but el queda is greatly damaged, many top level people including the mastermind have been killed or captured, and they no longer have a central base of operations.

    None of this required going to Iraq. But W listened to Rummy who was trying to do his best McNamara impression. And a pretty successful one at that.
  • Jeanwah
    Jeanwah Posts: 6,363
    jlew24asu wrote:
    bumbling idiot? what did you want him to do? I was hoping he said we have fighter jets on the way, but he didnt. I had to wait a month.
    He was no strong leader after the attacks. He was dumbfounded by it all, and looked like more of a nervous wreck (or bumbling idiot) than a strong leader that night of 9/11. What did I want him to do? To shut the borders, allow no one to leave or enter and consider the country in a state of war until we made a move on the Taliban and binLaden. Instead he let the Saudi's take a personal jet (the only jet) out of the U.S. the next day because they were his friends. HARDLY a strong leader to me! He never shut the borders either! If we were concerned about National Security, shutting the borders would have been the most logical first move!
  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    cutback wrote:
    None of this required going to Iraq. But W listened to Rummy who was trying to do his best McNamara impression. And a pretty successful one at that.


    well that didnt take long. no one is talking about Iraq. why bring it up. and what does it have to do with my post?
  • miller8966
    miller8966 Posts: 1,450
    Jeanwah wrote:
    He was no strong leader after the attacks. He was dumbfounded by it all, and looked like more of a nervous wreck (or bumbling idiot) than a strong leader that night of 9/11. What did I want him to do? To shut the borders, allow no one to leave or enter and consider the country in a state of war until we made a move on the Taliban and binLaden. Instead he let the Saudi's take a personal jet (the only jet) out of the U.S. the next day because they were his friends. HARDLY a strong leader to me! He never shut the borders either! If we were concerned about National Security, shutting the borders would have been the most logical first move!

    A. We were never ready for that kind of attack; of course he was nervous.

    B. Think how Clinton went after Al-Qaeda...oh yea he didnt do anything.
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  • norm
    norm Posts: 31,146
    jlew24asu wrote:
    well that didnt take long. no one is talking about Iraq. why bring it up. and what does it have to do with my post?
    We're not talking about Iraq?

    Title of thread: "U.S. deaths in Iraq exceed 9-11 count"
  • hippiemom
    hippiemom Posts: 3,326
    jlew24asu wrote:
    I clearly stated I thought he was a good leader after the attacks on 9/11. you decided to equate that to 04 when he was re-elected.
    I said "When a president has four years of bad policy and the nation re-elects him, what choice do you have but to associate those policies with Americans?" You then pointlessly replied with Bush's 2003 approval rankings, which have nothing to do with Bush's re-election in '04.
    "Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity." ~ MLK, 1963
  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    Jeanwah wrote:
    He was no strong leader after the attacks. He was dumbfounded by it all, and looked like more of a nervous wreck (or bumbling idiot) than a strong leader that night of 9/11.

    looked fine to me. hell I had to hold back tears everytime I saw the burning rubble.
    Jeanwah wrote:
    What did I want him to do? To shut the borders, allow no one to leave or enter and consider the country in a state of war until we made a move on the Taliban and binLaden.

    he did. air travel in, out, or around the country was shut down for days.

    Jeanwah wrote:
    Instead he let the Saudi's take a personal jet (the only jet) out of the U.S. the next day because they were his friends.
    HARDLY a strong leader to me!

    how does this make him a weak leader?
    Jeanwah wrote:
    He never shut the borders either! If we were concerned about National Security, shutting the borders would have been the most logical first move!


    yes they were. My friends dad was stuck in Europe for a week.





    so thats all you would do huh? shut down the borders? well Bush did and went a step further. in less then a month he was able to organize and carry a war against those who attacked us.
  • miller8966
    miller8966 Posts: 1,450
    hippiemom wrote:
    I said "When a president has four years of bad policy and the nation re-elects him, what choice do you have but to associate those policies with Americans?" You then pointlessly replied with Bush's 2003 approval rankings, which have nothing to do with Bush's re-election in '04.

    Well come on, a tomato can would have beaten john kerry.
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  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    cutback wrote:
    We're not talking about Iraq?

    Title of thread: "U.S. deaths in Iraq exceed 9-11 count"

    I meant the post I made that you replied to. sorry
  • hippiemom
    hippiemom Posts: 3,326
    jlew24asu wrote:
    looked fine to me. hell I had to hold back tears everytime I saw the burning rubble.
    What the hell does crying at the sight of the ruins have to do with Bush?
    jlew24asu wrote:
    how does this make him a weak leader?
    Do you know any cops? Why don't you go ask them how they'd feel if they were investigating a murder and someone smuggled the entire immediate family of their primary suspect out of the country before they could be questioned.
    "Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity." ~ MLK, 1963
  • miller8966
    miller8966 Posts: 1,450
    chiefojibwa wrote:
    as a president he should have been ready for ANYTHING. i want a STRONG leader. do you think that clinton, or reagan, or bush sr. would have sat there for 8 FUCKING MINUTES after being told that our country was under attack, or do you think that those leaders would have gotten up off their spoiled, pampered asses and BEEN THE PRESIDENT?

    i will NEVER excuse dubya for his inaction on the morning of 9/11. this is where the rubber meets the road, folks, where REAL leaders take action and PHONIES do nothing.

    O god..Yea he should have gotten up and grabbed his ak-47.

    Clinton would have sat there and done nothing..just like the embassy bombings in which he did nothing.
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  • miller8966
    miller8966 Posts: 1,450
    chiefojibwa wrote:
    you must have forgotten that john kerry got the second highest number of votes ever in a presidential election.

    2nd place is the first loser.
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  • norm
    norm Posts: 31,146
    jlew24asu wrote:
    I meant the post I made that you replied to. sorry
    Cool.

    But my point is going to Afghanistan defeating the Tailban and destroying Al Queda should have been the only thing the US should have done militarily in response to 9-11.
  • dg1979us
    dg1979us Posts: 568
    chiefojibwa wrote:
    as a president he should have been ready for ANYTHING. i want a STRONG leader. do you think that clinton, or reagan, or bush sr. would have sat there for 8 FUCKING MINUTES after being told that our country was under attack, or do you think that those leaders would have gotten up off their spoiled, pampered asses and BEEN THE PRESIDENT?

    i will NEVER excuse dubya for his inaction on the morning of 9/11. this is where the rubber meets the road, folks, where REAL leaders take action and PHONIES do nothing.

    Bill Maher brings up the 7 minute thing all the time on his show. And I love Bill Maher, and am by no means a fan of Bush, but the 7 minute ordeal is just stupid. There are plenty of real issues to go after Bush with, and I have yet to understand how him sitting there for 7 minutes has somehow turned into this huge ordeal. Not a thing would have changed had he gotten up.
  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    hippiemom wrote:
    What the hell does crying at the sight of the ruins have to do with Bush?

    im saying bush is much stronger then I was.
    hippiemom wrote:
    Do you know any cops? Why don't you go ask them how they'd feel if they were investigating a murder and someone smuggled the entire immediate family of their primary suspect out of the country before they could be questioned.

    spare me. the bin laden family disowned osama years ago. your smarter then this to make such a stupid comment
  • miller8966
    miller8966 Posts: 1,450
    chiefojibwa wrote:
    no, he should have GOTTEN UP. period. you can't say what clinton would or would not have done in this situation because it never happened to him. i'm not talking embassy bombings, i'm talking jetliners crashed into building in the fucking united states, buddy. dubya showed that he is a COWARD on 9/11, who was AFRAID to stand up and be our leader. and i will never forgive him for that.

    What would you have wanted him to do?

    Ok so he gets up and leaves the school...thats about 7 minutes right there.

    Dubya was not afraid to be our leader...he showed great courage and strength after 9/11.
    America...the greatest Country in the world.
  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    chiefojibwa wrote:
    no, he should have GOTTEN UP. period. you can't say what clinton would or would not have done in this situation because it never happened to him.

    EXACTLY. then why say you know he would have done something different then Bush? you have no idea.

    miller is right. we were attacked by el queda and clinton did nothing to get el queda. the training camps and taliban stayed strong and flourished with him in power.

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