Military nurse who cared for Saddam

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  • Abookamongstthemany
    Abookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    MrBrian wrote:
    How about mass killing? major destruction of innocent lives? I dunno, what else do you wanna call so many thousands of innocent people lost on his orders?

    and any exucse about how America does not target innocent lives does not mean much, what does one expect to happen when dropping a 5 ton bomb? or chemical weapons on villages? just label them as a casualty of war so you may sleep better.

    Of course it is genocide and they know it.
    If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.

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  • sponger
    sponger Posts: 3,159
    I know it can be fun to throw around the word genocide at any old world leader who is responsible for the dropping of bombs. But, I think it's important to have some respect for the word genocide by using it where it applies.

    gen·o·cide

    the deliberate and systematic extermination of a national, racial, political, or cultural group.

    Bush is not out to exterminate arabs. He's interested in the oil on top of which the arabs live. A lot of arabs may have died, but his intentions were to kill no more arabs than is necessary to take control. On the other hand, Saddam was interested in exterminating the kurds because he saw all kurds as the enemy. Bush = mass murder Saddam = genocide
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  • El_Kabong
    El_Kabong Posts: 4,141
    sponger wrote:
    I know it can be fun to throw around the word genocide at any old world leader who is responsible for the dropping of bombs. But, I think it's important to have some respect for the word genocide by using it where it applies.

    gen·o·cide

    the deliberate and systematic extermination of a national, racial, political, or cultural group.

    Bush is not out to exterminate arabs. He's interested in the oil on top of which the arabs live. A lot of arabs may have died, but his intentions were to kill no more arabs than is necessary to take control. On the other hand, Saddam was interested in exterminating the kurds because he saw all kurds as the enemy. Bush = mass murder Saddam = genocide


    what about DU weapons? that kills more than is necessary, it kills years afterwards or gives you children w/ birth defects...
    standin above the crowd
    he had a voice that was strong and loud and
    i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
    eager to identify with
    someone above the crowd
    someone who seemed to feel the same
    someone prepared to lead the way
  • sponger
    sponger Posts: 3,159
    El_Kabong wrote:
    what about DU weapons? that kills more than is necessary, it kills years afterwards or gives you children w/ birth defects...

    They also melt right through the thickest armor.
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  • El_Kabong
    El_Kabong Posts: 4,141
    sponger wrote:
    They also melt right through the thickest armor.

    did the iraqis and afghanis have thick armor? did the iraqi military even put up a fight? so there is no reason to use something that poisons the land and ppl
    standin above the crowd
    he had a voice that was strong and loud and
    i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
    eager to identify with
    someone above the crowd
    someone who seemed to feel the same
    someone prepared to lead the way
  • sponger
    sponger Posts: 3,159
    El_Kabong wrote:
    did the iraqis and afghanis have thick armor? did the iraqi military even put up a fight? so there is no reason to use something that poisons the land and ppl

    Thank you, El Kabong, military logistics expert.
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  • El_Kabong
    El_Kabong Posts: 4,141
    sponger wrote:
    Thank you, El Kabong, military logistics expert.


    don't mention it. can i put 'military logistics expert' on my resume?
    standin above the crowd
    he had a voice that was strong and loud and
    i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
    eager to identify with
    someone above the crowd
    someone who seemed to feel the same
    someone prepared to lead the way
  • Rushlimbo
    Rushlimbo Posts: 832
    All this hate and still no one will talk about the good things Saddam was responsible for. Hate = blinders.
    War is Peace
    Freedom is Slavery
    Ignorance is Strength
  • lukin2006
    lukin2006 Posts: 9,087
    MrBrian wrote:
    I dunno about any of that, i'm just trying to show that at the end of the day, as bad as saddam was, he was still a human.

    I'm meeting people in person all talking about how great it is that he was hung, passing the video along. Justice was not done, he did not even have a fair trial. It was as scripted as a hollywood movie. How is having a corrupt court system good for iraqis? we should be sad that the US backed court system in iraq is so corrupt, as corrupt now as it was under hussein, and people cheer "justice was done!"
    Human? Are you serious, he became human when faced with his own mortality, but the bottom line remains, he could have prevented all this, all he had to do was let the inspectors do their job. He called Bush's bluff, only problem Bush wasn't bluffing.
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  • MrBrian
    MrBrian Posts: 2,672
    beemster wrote:
    Human? Are you serious, he became human when faced with his own mortality, but the bottom line remains, he could have prevented all this, all he had to do was let the inspectors do their job. He called Bush's bluff, only problem Bush wasn't bluffing.

    Well that's something that I find so interesting, such a bad guy found what seems like some sorta peace when he faced his own mortality.

    nevertheless, if you want to talk about prevention, well america could've prevented all of this if it did'nt back hussein in the first place way back when.

    The inspectors also said that he did'nt have WMDs so are we still going on about the inspectors? was this war really about WMDs anyway? even if it took another 10years for more inspectors, so be it, Iraq was not such a great threat that an invasion was a must at that point in time.
  • The Waiting Trophy Man
    The Waiting Trophy Man Niagara region, Ontario, Canada Posts: 12,158
    MrBrian wrote:
    Are you comparing Saddam to dick cheney?
    ----

    they're more alike than they are different.
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    Another habit says its long overdue
    Another habit like an unwanted friend
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  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    Rushlimbo wrote:
    All this hate and still no one will talk about the good things Saddam was responsible for. Hate = blinders.

    ok i'll bite.


    such as?
  • MrBrian
    MrBrian Posts: 2,672
    aBoxOfFear wrote:
    they're more alike than they are different.

    I don't doubt it,

    (btw my earlier reply to you was not meant to be confrontational so I hope it did'nt come across that way)
  • The Waiting Trophy Man
    The Waiting Trophy Man Niagara region, Ontario, Canada Posts: 12,158
    MrBrian wrote:
    I don't doubt it,

    (btw my earlier reply to you was not meant to be confrontational so I hope it did'nt come across that way)

    oh no, not at all. you asked a straight question, nothing more. i might have even come across as confrontational, but that wasn't my intention, either. i was just trying to make a point. : )
    Another habit says it's in love with you
    Another habit says its long overdue
    Another habit like an unwanted friend
    I'm so happy with my righteous self
  • MrBrian
    MrBrian Posts: 2,672
    Some reactions from people in other countries (bbc website)

    http://newsforums.bbc.co.uk/nol/thread.jspa?sortBy=2&threadID=5096&start=0&tstart=0&edition=2&ttl=20070102102425&#paginator
  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    They use DU weapons to dispose of the DU.

    After refining uranium, they need to dispose of the DU and dumping it in American, well that's just not American.
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  • catefrances
    catefrances Posts: 29,003
    you know i find this saddam execution a little surreal.
    i am not a fan of his by any means but...well... i don't know how to feel. i think i feel numb.
    hear my name
    take a good look
    this could be the day
    hold my hand
    lie beside me
    i just need to say
  • Collin
    Collin Posts: 4,931
    catefrances wrote:
    you know i find this saddam execution a little surreal.
    i am not a fan of his by any means but...well... i don't know how to feel. i think i feel numb.
    comfortably?

    I think his execution one of the biggest mistakes ever.
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  • catefrances
    catefrances Posts: 29,003
    Collin wrote:
    comfortably?

    I think his execution one of the biggest mistakes ever.

    no. it's a very uncomfortable numbness.
    hear my name
    take a good look
    this could be the day
    hold my hand
    lie beside me
    i just need to say
  • Kann
    Kann Posts: 1,146
    PaperPlates wrote:
    How exactly was his trial unfair?

    Unfair or not is not an issue with this trial as Sadam would have been convicted either way. He deserved his convictions (the death penalty is another debate). But the trial was a joke. No one is ever (in a would be fair trial) convicted and executed before all his crimes have been judged. A few months to state on more than 20 years of crimes? I don't buy it, he has not been convicted of all that he did and the family of the victims know this, and the trial was unfair to them.

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